what are you thinking?

[derwood]

So im nearing the end of pangor,approaching that last launch and I see that theres a rider down,so I stop.

Heres the picture,
1 guy around 25 full armour
1 guy around 20most armour

1 girl,around 18......NO ARMOUR and looking pretty shitkicked from hitting a launch she obvoiusly didnt land

Problem 1:

Not only was this girl not wearing any padding,she was only wearing a too small tank top and some fox shorts!!!WTF?who brings out a person,who looked like a beginner,out with no padding.If your beginner friends dont have pads,cough yours up,they need them more than you do.
If this was a case where the girl didnt want to wear armour,tough shit,stay home then.This is the shore,dress for the crash,not the ride.

Problem(bitch) 2:

If some body asks if the injured is ok and if you need help,dont glare at them like theyre some a hole you want to fight.Surprisingly,many regular riders carry first aid gear and know how to use it.And we dont mind helping one bit.

So,the moral of the story is,take care of your friends safety,dress appropriately and If you know two guys,one riding a Banshee Scream and the other riding a Yeti ASX who went riding with a girl who rode a Banshee Chapparal today on Pangor,give em all shit from the whole riding community.:nono:

[Neo]

ahahaaha those guys probably didn't even dry the drop. anyways, hope the girl is alright. yes beginners should be wearing armor.

[bunny]

i just have to ask why you assume she was a beginner? i think people should wear armour, but it's their choice. why does what she was wearing indicate what level of rider she is?

i think it's pretty unusual for people riding not to appreciate offers of help though. pure speculation... but it could be that EVERY guy on the trail offers their "help" wether it's needed or not and she'd had enough.

[0_o]

Originally posted by derwood
Heres the picture,
1 guy around 25 full armour
1 guy around 20most armour

1 girl,around 18......NO ARMOUR and looking pretty shitkicked from hitting a launch she obvoiusly didnt land


1st guy = Poser. :r:
2nd guy = Poser. :r:
Girl = Hardcore. :fro:

[derwood]

Why do I assume she was a beginner?

1-tighty tank top
2-no gloves
3-clean running shoes
4-shiny bike
5-NO FREAKIN PADDING!!!!!!!!

Damn,when I started,my friends made me wear soccer shin pads,and I dont even play soccer.

[derwood]

Originally posted by 0_o
1st guy = Poser. :r:
2nd guy = Poser. :r:
Girl = Hardcore. :fro:

Yes:rolleyes:

[0_o]

It's pretty obvious the two chumps were concerned more with the way they were equipped rather than focusing on a good ride for everyone.
Either that or they wanted to get suited up and play Power Rangers in the woods.

I'm just basing these opinions on the info you provided and experiences I've had while riding.

[derwood]

And thats where I stumble in and start berating

[0_o]

Originally posted by derwood


Problem(bitch) 2:

If some body asks if the injured is ok and if you need help,dont glare at them like theyre some a hole you want to fight.Surprisingly,many regular riders carry first aid gear and know how to use it.And we dont mind helping one bit.


It's hard to be amicable after you've just eaten shit.

[derwood]

That was one of the guys that acted that way......

[0_o]

Originally posted by derwood
And thats where I stumble in and start berating

I totally agree.
I would've offered some of my gear along with a phone number.

[derwood]

She could be young enough to be my daughter and thats not why I ride(phone #s) and I already have my GFs number.

The first aid gear is always public domain though.:)

[0_o]

I feel creepy now.
You never mentioned how old she was.
Mention 'girl' and 'bike' in the same topic and April Lawyer pops to mind.

[canadianicon25]

Originally posted by derwood
1 girl,around 18......

:rolleyes:

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by derwood


1 girl,around 18......NO ARMOUR and looking pretty shitkicked from hitting a launch she obvoiusly didnt land




Sounds kind of like Trev Chron..... :love:

[Lady Gravity]

what do you bet the girl wears armour next time :P

seriously though, it's too bad they declined your help, but maybe they figured they didn't need it

[0_o]

Originally posted by canadianicon25
:rolleyes:

LOL.
Okay in that case I take back my original statement.

[counterpoint]

Originally posted by derwood
Why do I assume she was a beginner?

1-tighty tank top
2-no gloves
3-clean running shoes
4-shiny bike
5-NO FREAKIN PADDING!!!!!!!!

Damn,when I started,my friends made me wear soccer shin pads,and I dont even play soccer.

That's usually how I ride - don't assume nothing. My gut under the tighty tank top is my protection.

[sanrensho]

I've heard of some gal that rides the Shore wearing flip-flops...;) Her bike isn't all that shiny, though.

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by derwood
a too small tank top and some fox shorts!!! you must nbe ghey iof you think taht a tank top can be too small. How was the pumpjack tonight?

[SIDESHOW]

another good thread ruined,

this thread had a great message, and the author was hoping to spread the word, too bad all you guys just like to argue about crap.

A great example is Bunnytron, why argue about wether he assumed she was a beginner or not. He was out there, he formed an information based opinion, and went on-line to post it. Pull your head outta your ass, anyone that wears their trendy little bike clothes on a ride with "power rangers" is a beginner. Anyone that gets dressed up in a "power rangers" outfit and takes another half naked rider down the same trail is obviously a beginnner or very selfish at the very least.


this has always been a big problem, I see it every day, some guy that wants to show his girl how "core" he is. Picture this, buddy's on 2004 Big Stinky Hit, with all the cool parts, and his new cool Roach pads. Come on baby lets go ride Seymour, proceeds to drag poor unsuspecting girlfriend down CBC for the hell ride of her life. She was lucky enough to find his old hockey helmet in the garage, and he tuned up the canti's on her BRC Backroads so she could pin it. This is the same guy comin into the bike shop whining that his disc brakes squeal.

Not only does this scare peeps off of our sport, but when they get hurt out there it makes us all look bad. The riders I ride with have always been proud of how prepared they are. This is a part of riding that has taken a back seat to style and comfort.

Nuff said, and Bunny nothing personal, but I figured with you being a lady, and newer to the sport, you may have more sympathy for these poor girls/unsuspecting friends.


put the thread back on topic.

[Desloc]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
another good thread ruined,

this thread had a great message, and the author was hoping to spread the word, too bad all you guys just like to argue about crap.

A great example is Bunnytron, why argue about wether he assumed she was a beginner or not. He was out there, he formed an information based opinion, and went on-line to post it. Pull your head outta your ass, anyone that wears their trendy little bike clothes on a ride with "power rangers" is a beginner. Anyone that gets dressed up in a "power rangers" outfit and takes another half naked rider down the same trail is obviously a beginnner or very selfish at the very least.


this has always been a big problem, I see it every day, some guy that wants to show his girl how "core" he is. Picture this, buddy's on 2004 Big Stinky Hit, with all the cool parts, and his new cool Roach pads. Come on baby lets go ride Seymour, proceeds to drag poor unsuspecting girlfriend down CBC for the hell ride of her life. She was lucky enough to find his old hockey helmet in the garage, and he tuned up the canti's on her BRC Backroads so she could pin it. This is the same guy comin into the bike shop whining that his disc brakes squeal.

Not only does this scare peeps off of our sport, but when they get hurt out there it makes us all look bad. The riders I ride with have always been proud of how prepared they are. This is a part of riding that has taken a back seat to style and comfort.

Nuff said, and Bunny nothing personal, but I figured with you being a lady, and newer to the sport, you may have more sympathy for these poor girls/unsuspecting friends.


put the thread back on topic.


Cheers bro, well said.

A great teacher is one that can recall their own beginnings and will never expect a novice rider to perform on trails that reflect their present level and experience. Progression takes time. When you take a novice rider out for a rip the ride is about them, not you. Get them the gear necessary to make it a safe, fun experience and they''ll be back for more.

Believe it or not... a trip down the North Road trail on SFU can feel like boot camp to a novice rider and may end hampering their new found love for riding.

Don't be a tard with n00bs.


Des

[bunny]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
another good thread ruined,

this thread had a great message, and the author was hoping to spread the word, too bad all you guys just like to argue about crap.

A great example is Bunnytron, why argue about wether he assumed she was a beginner or not. He was out there, he formed an information based opinion, and went on-line to post it. Pull your head outta your ass, anyone that wears their trendy little bike clothes on a ride with "power rangers" is a beginner. Anyone that gets dressed up in a "power rangers" outfit and takes another half naked rider down the same trail is obviously a beginnner or very selfish at the very least.


this has always been a big problem, I see it every day, some guy that wants to show his girl how "core" he is. Picture this, buddy's on 2004 Big Stinky Hit, with all the cool parts, and his new cool Roach pads. Come on baby lets go ride Seymour, proceeds to drag poor unsuspecting girlfriend down CBC for the hell ride of her life. She was lucky enough to find his old hockey helmet in the garage, and he tuned up the canti's on her BRC Backroads so she could pin it. This is the same guy comin into the bike shop whining that his disc brakes squeal.

Not only does this scare peeps off of our sport, but when they get hurt out there it makes us all look bad. The riders I ride with have always been proud of how prepared they are. This is a part of riding that has taken a back seat to style and comfort.

Nuff said, and Bunny nothing personal, but I figured with you being a lady, and newer to the sport, you may have more sympathy for these poor girls/unsuspecting friends.


put the thread back on topic.

i questioned wether she was a beginner because i don't agree with labelling people based on what clothes you wear, what bike you ride, and what sex you are.

i know lots of guys who ride with no armour. go to whistler someday and take a look around. they aren't too smart in my opinion, but are they all beginners?

how many beginners have doled out the cash for a banshee chap? or hit drops rather than just do the ride arounds?

like i said in my first post... i agree with wearing armour, we can advocate and promote it, but it's a choice we can't make for people and shouldn't judge riding ability based on it.

if she was coerced into riding a trail with no gear and had no clue what she was in for that's really too bad and i'm sorry to hear this happens. when i take people less skilled i ride my ghetto bike and give them the squishy.

i was more playing devil's advocate from a girl's perspective who has heard a fair share of double standards in the mtn biking community.



but back on topic. hopefully there is a positive... the more we all hear about things like this (thanks to nsmb) the more aware we (and new riders) will be of the risks involved and benefits of being prepared so we can all ride longer. :)

case in point... i promise not to ride in flip flops anymore. :P

[Late Bloomer]

Originally posted by bunnytron
case in point... i promise not to ride in flip flops anymore. :P :lol:
I was this ' ' close to leaving the house in my sandals today for some urban. Good thing I turned around, as I wound up dragging my toes up against something along the way...PHEW!!!

If we ride w/ less-skilled riders (nOObs, they are referred to here), I always make sure that they are accounted for. This starts days before the ride...the questions such as "you have a helmet?", "any armor?" and "how's the bike running...need a tuneup?" (which I would provide at no cost)...the little things that can make a day fun for all involved - rather than a cornucopia of disasters that ultimately lead to paramedics and stretchers...or worse, ex-friends.
Encourage others, but do it in a way that will actually encourage them to do it again. Not in a way that they feel like they just cheated death and will never ever do that again.

[pete]

I rode seymour shirtless on friday... am I a n00b too?

PS: the first time i rode the shore all I had was a helmet and gloves. everyone starts somewhere.

[Shaft]

In my opinion Derwood, you are kind of getting worked up over something you really have nothing to do with. Sure, you can rant all you want about people not being safe but there isnt anything you can do about it. People make their own deicisions about how they want to ride or what they want to wear. Just remember that you cant control what people do, and no matter how bad of an image it gives the sport, people are still going to do it.

[Rosscofat]

I used to ride shore with nothing but gloves and helmet.. oh well..

[pete]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
I used to ride shore with nothing but gloves and helmet.. oh well..

yeah so much for riding trails eh?

[synchro]

Originally posted by pete
I rode seymour shirtless on friday... am I a n00b too?

PS: the first time i rode the shore all I had was a helmet and gloves. everyone starts somewhere.

pete, why don't you share your theory of elbow pads on one arm only with us?

[RiDiCuLoUs]

on the same/not so same note, im in need of some upper body armour, i am quite newbish, what would you reccomend?

thanks,
braden

[Rosscofat]

azonic!!! IFO sold me his it is amazing.. but there is so many.. 661 dianies um beast gear lots

[pete]

Originally posted by synchro
pete, why don't you share your theory of elbow pads on one arm only with us?

sure..... well it's very similar to the reason I rode seymour shirtless

you see, I only wear one elbow pad (my left) simply because that is the only side I ever fall on. Likewise, there is no need for me to wear a shirt while biking because i do not fall onto my chest or back area.

Biking really is a mental sport and once you know yourself, you can accurately predict what will happen. Confidence and riding within your boundarys are much more important than armour.

PS: after riding with only one elbow pad for over 2 years now, I have only crashed onto my right side once.

[canadianicon25]

haha thats great I always fall on my right side but thought I'd look like quite the tool wearing body armour on one half of me

and on the subject I always try to hook up my friends with protection if they are new, but I wouldnt blame anyone for turning mine down, pheewwee talk about RANK

[Putty]

my boo boo is padded up to the max when we go riding.

pete - i like your theory.

[synchro]

Originally posted by pete
Biking really is a mental sport and once you know yourself, you can accurately predict what will happen. Confidence and riding within your boundarys are much more important than armour.


Hmmm, ask Lee about his teeth, shins. knees, elbows and other assorted body parts that he knows. ;)

[OptionaL]

armour is overrated ! helmet is all you need for everything.

[pete]

Originally posted by synchro
Hmmm, ask Lee about his teeth, shins. knees, elbows and other assorted body parts that he knows. ;)

mind over matter, he simply does not have the mental concentration to prevent himself from hurting himself.

if you think you wont fall, you wont.

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by pete
mind over matter, he simply does not have the mental concentration to prevent himself from hurting himself.

if you think you wont fall, you wont.

As much as I agree with this statement, that doesnt explain my crash on a-line yesterday.. or the one a month before.

Physics will get the final say over mentality.

[OptionaL]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
As much as I agree with this statement, that doesnt explain my crash on a-line yesterday.. or the one a month before.

Physics will get the final say over mentality.

depends on the rider i guess too..

[pete]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
As much as I agree with this statement, that doesnt explain my crash on a-line yesterday.. or the one a month before.

Physics will get the final say over mentality.

true, some crashes can't be explained, and thats why I wear my left elbow pad :D

[derwood]

Girl,guy,dog or cat,Iwas painting a picture of a group of riders,2 who were well prepared,one who wasnt and payed for it.

The point is better made by Corey,thanks for your 2 cents.

It doesnt matter what YOU wear if you are experienced,just dont allow new riders to put themselves in a really bad place.

The trails are a lot different than 10 years ago and so is the gear.Proper protection has also developed around our needs.What was appropriate then would be laughable now.
Ten years ago I would have never seen myself destroying a fuul face or knocking myself out on a ride but I did.If i was wearing my XC helmet ida been screwed.
Pete,you only crash on one side?Wish I could do that

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by pete
mind over matter, he simply does not have the mental concentration to prevent himself from hurting himself.

if you think you wont fall, you wont.

I agree. I dress for a crash - pete too. Now what about that ride today? See email.

[derwood]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaft
[B]In my opinion Derwood, you are kind of getting worked up over something you really have nothing to do with.

I agree,I shouldnt feel compelled to make a post like this,but over the years Ive seen way too many people dragged out of the bush because they were unprepared.

I would equate this sort of thing to the person who goes back country on Seymour or Cypress in the winter without the essential gear(beacon,shovel,probe, etc) and skills to use said gear.The public shakes their head at this all winter,as they should.

It should be NONE OF MY BUSINESS but someone obviously needs to remind users of the trails to be responsible for all members of your group.

I suggest you,SHaft,take up riding in NV 5 or 6 days a week,and see some of what Ive seen out there.You too will feel the need to say something out loud.:)

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by derwood

I would equate this sort of thing to the person who goes back country on Seymour or Cypress in the winter without the essential gear(beacon,shovel,probe, etc) and skills to use said gear.The public shakes their head at this all winter,as they should.

It should be NONE OF MY BUSINESS but someone obviously needs to remind users of the trails to be responsible for all members of your group.


Or watch out-of-shape people hiking the grouse grind in winter with sandals t-shirts and shorts and no pack or headlamp with a 3.30 start.

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by pete
true, some crashes can't be explained, and thats why I wear my left elbow pad :D

I actually can sorta agree with your earlier theory on wiping out. Coming from a BMX background, I learned how to get away from my bike quickly and usually land on my feet if I'm going to eat it.

The only problems with this theory are:

1) unexpected sudden change in trail conditions (rock gives out, stunt falls apart, tranny in poor condition, etc)
2) unforseen mechanicals (chain snapping at exact wrong moment, chain skip at wrong moment, brake hose bursting at wrong moment, etc)

I try my best to keep my bike running 100% perfect, but sometimes stuff just sneaks up on you.

[Slamigo]

Oh, and Bunnytron, I offer help to everyone that's down. It's not a girl/guy thing, it's a 'being a good person' thing. We all need help sometimes.

[d1rtwench]

k umm i usually nail that drop and yea i was stupid for goin up there with no armour on my 1st ride on that bike, and umm i was wearing gloves and if u looked at my shoes they werent clean and i usually ride with armour but i realized i dint have it in north van and i wasnt goin to go back to poco for it and ive done all the neds launches w/o armour so i thought this was gonna be alright but have fun makin fun of me and my friends have been ridin for 20 yrs so dont call them posers

[d1rtwench]

o and im 15

[Team2K]

Originally posted by d1rtwench
k umm i usually nail that drop and yea i was stupid for goin up there with no armour on my 1st ride on that bike, and umm i was wearing gloves and if u looked at my shoes they werent clean and i usually ride with armour but i realized i dint have it in north van and i wasnt goin to go back to poco for it and ive done all the neds launches w/o armour so i thought this was gonna be alright but have fun makin fun of me and my friends have been ridin for 20 yrs so dont call them posers

I'm assuming you are the injured girl.... the key is, are you okay? If not healin' karma, and keep on rippin (hopefully with armor next time :P)

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by d1rtwench
o and im 15

u got pics

[Team2K]

Originally posted by diggs
u got pics

JAILBAIT! :cuffs:

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by diggs
u got pics

ahahahahahahahaha, man I'm gonna miss you homeboy!

[maxipad]

Originally posted by 0_o
1st guy = Poser. :r:
2nd guy = Poser. :r:
Girl = Hardcore. :fro:


:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :lol:

[maxipad]

Originally posted by diggs
u got pics

AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA HHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[cHuck]

thanks for your concern, truth be know she has armour and chooses not to wear it??????????????

all your assumptions are just that. :rolleyes:

as for being a poser, believe me after 20 years of riding I don't think I qualify.

again thanks for your concern.

Fact is she has hit that drop many times and railed it, for the most part she rides like a demon and shows up alot of more experianced riders.

she has a full kit of armour but chooses not to wear it, despite being, b rated for a poor judgement.

:cool:

[Team2K]

^ she's too young for u... and i just heard she's leaving for the caribbean w/ diggs :P

[Neo]

why would you not wear armour riding hard like that? i'm sorry but if you have armour and choose not to wear it riding trails like that, they you're just asking to get hurt. i'm glad you're alright but perhaps think twice about leaving the protection behind next time.

[Rat]

show her a picture of Lee Laus legs that will changer her mind on armour.

[Neo]

poor Lee. he always seems to get used as an example of carnage... :P

[Bukkake]

Well I'm sure D1rtwench will thank you all for being big strong men and telling her what she should and shouldn't be doing.

Case in point:

I was at Sasamat one day(when it was there) and this girl was there given'r really good! She was nailing the rythym section and then she decided she wanted to hit the "door jump" This is the jump that was there that had a steep high lip and a decent sized gap. Nothing really insane but it was a jump that involved a lot of vert and was not something you wanted to go into without some experience.

Anyways she hits it and goes all rear wheel happy kinda overshoots and gets pitched off her bike on landing. I was so impressed with her guts that I gave her a big cheer because the bail wasn't bad and it should have been obvious to anyone watching that she was gonna be fine.

Then this friend of mine comes running up mouth open in horror screaming "OHMIGIOD IS SHE OKAY!!!??? OH GOD! OH GOD! I HAVE A CELLPHONE I'LL CALL AN AMBULANCE OH GOD!!! (he'd been waching guys bail off this jump all day)
she gets up and tells him to fuck off and that she's fine and she's gonna try it again I'm thinking "what a girl!" My friend starts trying to talk her out of it and telling her to sit down for a while and that she may be hurt she just doesn't know it yet. She pushes him away obviously choked and lines up to hit it again!
So she hits it again and sticks it! I give her a high five and she go's home with "that feeling" (we all know it)


Although most guys wont admit it I think a lot believe that girls are delicate flowers that fall apart at the slightest touch and this is just not true. Girls can take a rough and tumble just as well as a guy and are probaly more capable of dealing with pain.

BTW if that had been a 15 year old boy taking a breather after eating shit would this thread have even been written?

[Uncle Duke]

yo its crazy scary to see the ladies crash,,, we are engineered thru the years to protect them after all...that being said, some of the ladies are way tougher than you might think. i personally am stoked and amazed at the level at which the ladies are riding nowadays.

[Lady Gravity]

hmmm sounds like the girl i may have met a while ago up on SFU - if so, can't recall your name, sorry, but you rip! and guys...enough already eh :P

i think it's kind of like the helmet issue - it's pretty much up to the rider to make their own decision

[corey@nsmb.com]

http://members.shaw.ca/blaine_louis/images/deadhorse.gif

[Neo]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
:deadhorse:

n00b


http://members.shaw.ca/blaine_louis/images/deadhorse.gif

[corey@nsmb.com]

:lol:

couldn't find it.. :cuffs:

[Neo]

nice late edit too. now you look like more of a n00b. :P

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Dante
nice late edit too. now you look like more of a n00b. :P

*waves white flag*

I didn't want to edit your quote.. I am OK with showing my noobness. :lol: :beer:

[Kootenay Hack]

o and im 15

exactly! JAILBAIT! :cuffs:

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by derwood
Why do I assume she was a beginner?

1-tighty tank top
2-no gloves
3-clean running shoes
4-shiny bike
5-NO FREAKIN PADDING!!!!!!!!

Damn,when I started,my friends made me wear soccer shin pads,and I dont even play soccer.

well then im a poser