sherman slider + help

[icewax]

I just installed the firm spring into my slider+... feels good an all but theres a small click noise when the fork compresses. Ive made sure the spring was seated correctly like 5 times now. Is this just a break in thing?? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

[Rosscofat]

Hmmm.. thats odd.. have you tried swaping the springs back to see if it makes the noise again?

try that.. if that dosent work.. see if you compress slowly does it still do it.


I have no real answer for you but just giving you ideas

[icewax]

it happens in the first 2 inches of travel, and only once. Im thinking the spring buckles a little and hits the inner part of the stanction... that all myself and the mechanic could think of.

[IFO]

did u try reinstalling the original spring???

u should also check the orientation of the spring, i dont remeber if there is a top or a bottom, or if there is a specific direction the coil seat needs to face !!!!

seems odd u have a click now after changing the spring...

have u tried to ride the fork? perhaps it will go away if u cycle the fork a bunch of times...

p.s. the spring is the correct size right??? be shitty if u had a 6" Slider coil in your 7" Slider+ fork...

:mad:

[Rosscofat]

ohh man that would suck 6" spring in 7" slider.. haha

is your spring greesed?

[icewax]

no, i havent put the original spring back in... im gonna do that right now and report back

[icewax]

just put the original back in... going down it doesnt make the clicking noise but it does on the way up.

all of a sudden this fork has been nothing but problems.

[IFO]

sounds to me when taking the spring out you guys must have meesed something up..

perhaps you should take your fork to a diferent LBS and have em inspect the spring leg of your fork...

does your fork use a volume spacer on the top??? if so is it on the top still???

[miufahkiu]

My Marzocchi makes a similar noise from time to time, in the first part of the travel. It just came back from warranty, and Rob Page at Norco told me that it is most likely from the spring rubbing against the stanchions and that it shouldn't cause any problems.

The noises you are hearing are more than
likely the sound of the springs touching the inside of the stanchion
tubes upon compression of the fork. This is a normal function of the
fork, but, if it is something that concerns you, the fork could be
returned for inspection.

If you're having a similar problem with your fork, I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Yes, it is annoying when your bike makes weird noises, but mine is making so many I'd rather get out and ride it than take it into the shop to have them look at it and be bikeless for a week.

[icewax]

IFO... there is a space towards the bottom, that the compression rod slides between to line it up for the bolt at the bottom of the leg... thats it

[icewax]

im done with this thing. its going out to answer

how long do they usually take?

[Rosscofat]

not long from what I heard.. like a week or less?

[falcon171]

Hey Icewax, can you post your reply from Answer? I have a slider plus and I changed the spring to a firm one and I get a click also when I compress it. I am think same thing also about the spring being seated correctly. I checked the seating about 7 times until I gave up. Thinking of taking it to a LBS that deals with Manitou

[icewax]

ok will do... they must not be open today so ill have to call tuesday... this fuckin blows...

[klankilla]

do you guys ever get random harsh top-out? my friend complains that, about once per ride, just before pre-loading and jumping of something that the fork will top out with a 'pong' sound....it is a new fork and has only been ridden for about 10 hours so far....not even broken in.......

[GrimJack]

If it's the spring hitting the inside of the stanchion, it's really easy to find out. Pull the spring, wrap the middle 2 inches in hockey tape, put it back in. If it's gone, that's the problem.

[IFO]

klan killa what type of sherman are u refering to ???

without knowing if its a SPV version or not it limits the help i can think of to offer..

a SPV sherman requires more setup tuning then a TPC sherman..

that said my Sherman never tops out... my buddies did, but he had broken the rebound rod... so it topped out HARSH everytime till we got off the mtn.

Manitou stepped up and got his fork sorted ASAP thou...

i'd suggest checking the bottom bolts that secure the fork lowers on, make sure they are tight... if the lowers are loose your fork will make some odd sounds...:eek:

[million dola "jules"]

man i dont understand how a clicking noise is a problem if its not affecting the performance its not a problem my slider was making some wierd clunking noises and i just left it eventually they went away and the fork couldent be better just give it time b4 u start crying to manitou cause u got a clickity spring also if the other sprin wasnt doing it chances are it will stop over time just my .02

[icewax]

clicking noises often lead to problems.. problems lead to spending money.

[Stinky_Rider]

Originally posted by icewax
clicking noises often lead to problems.. problems lead to spending money.

Quite true in this world:( But in this world we have Manitou, call there HQ in cali

[klankilla]

IFO,

it was the 04 slider+ with spv......but it only did it on a rare occasion when he would preload it just so, before taking the front tire off the ground......other than that, he likes it. i ride a manitou aswell and damb i love the valving on these forks!

[Stinky_Rider]

Manitou valving is the best darn feeling in the whole industry if you ask me

[IFO]

Klankilla does your buddy have the SPV valved correctly for his weight???

having the size of the chamber and correct SPV pressure is essential to proper fork performance...

stil the fact is only rarely makes the noise is a bit odd... check the bolts and double check the SPV settings...

hope that helps..

u might wanna fire a email off to Manitou's tech support email addy... they are usually supa fast at answers questions regarding any concerns u may have...

http://www.answerproducts.com/contactus.asp?function=1&contactid=3

:thepimp:

How many other fork makers will actually take the time to Phone u back in person with a answer ???

DOUBLE :thepimp: :thepimp:

[icewax]

called answer today.. I described all the problems i was having and im gonna send her in. He said there's a good chance the rebound assembly is gone due to many of the problems i explained. Wait time is 3-4 days which is not bad. People at answer seem very nice too... ill find out when everything is all said and done.

[Kye]

i have run into this problem before after changing springs in the slider plus it is related to the spv valve, heres what you do. remove all air from the fork then compress a feww times first pressurize the fork to 20 psi then compress rerpeat this untill you have your proper amount of air in the fork and the clicking should go way

[falcon171]

Originally posted by icewax
called answer today.. I described all the problems i was having and im gonna send her in. He said there's a good chance the rebound assembly is gone due to many of the problems i explained. Wait time is 3-4 days which is not bad. People at answer seem very nice too... ill find out when everything is all said and done.

hmm coincidence. I change springs and I have same problem as you.

[Stinky_Rider]

Anyone find the bushings in the '04 slider wearing fast, or abit of play in the stanchions and the fork legs?

[icewax]

Originally posted by falcon171
hmm coincidence. I change springs and I have same problem as you.

Did your fork pretty much completely lock up? This cant be part of the spring issue but still a major problem.

[klankilla]

since were babbling....

how thick of an oil ring should you see after a ride anyways? and are there any good articles that i could read to understand how a manitou with SPV works? and is it true that the oil is only there to lube the sliders/seals and needs be be topped up peroidically?

[APT]

You can download a service manual from www.answerproducts.com and it shows you how to take apart your sherman and the required oil level.

[icewax]

it doesnt show the oil level, not many manuals do.. its kind of a user pref.

[APT]

If you actually "read" the manual....:rolleyes:

Taken from the manual:
Sherman Slider +
Semi bath Oil Volume: 16cc per leg
Damping oil level: 128cc

[Desloc]

As far as the clicking noise on the spring side...

I have been told that there may be a slight variance in some of the 03/04 springs... easy fix. Other than that, the rebound cartridge may be improperly seated and need service/replacement.

Manitou has your back with the best service in the industry :thepimp:



Des

[falcon171]

I took my Slider to the shop and he double checked my work. I guess the top rod wasn't seated properly into the spring. He fixed it in 5 min. All good now

Sherman Pride:thepimp:

[IFO]

Originally posted by falcon171
I took my Slider to the shop and he double checked my work. I guess the top rod wasn't seated properly into the spring. He fixed it in 5 min. All good now

Sherman Pride:thepimp:

there you go....

glad to hear u got it sorted....

:thepimp:

[million dola "jules"]

falcon how did he fix it was it not seated in the top cap or at the spring

[icewax]

I sent my fork to answer to fix my rebound problem, came back working great but still has that clicking noise. oh well. seems to be sort of common with the firm spring

[falcon171]

Originally posted by million dola "jules"
falcon how did he fix it was it not seated in the top cap or at the spring

The spring side "Top Cap Assembly" wasn't seated into the spring properly. It was in the spring but not secured tight enough.

[falcon171]

Originally posted by icewax
I sent my fork to answer to fix my rebound problem, came back working great but still has that clicking noise. oh well. seems to be sort of common with the firm spring

I have firm in my slider and it doesn't make clicking noices at all. I would check the "Top Cap assembly" and make sure it is seated in the spring, as well as the "Compression Rod assembly" on the spring side to make sure it is seated in the spring properly as well