Myles Rockwell busted!

[Jon-boy]

Well it seems that grow-op busts are not only confined to the lower mainland:

<http://www.transcendmagazine.com/archives/000289.html>

[corey@nsmb.com]

Classy. That's the second big name downhiller to fall victim to marijuana in under a year. *shakes head*

[atari_]

dooped

[sAFETY]

That's not too bright of him. I mean, c'mon, if you want to bike for a living and add to any riding income by growing weed, why would you be doing it in Colorado and not BC?

Corey, who was the other one?

[Castle]

that sucks, I believe in the states it's alot safer to have 49....... seems he had 3 too many, I wanna say it has something to do with either getting in a shitload of trouble or just getting in trouble..... so I'm thinkin he's in a shitload of trouble

not good.....

[corey@nsmb.com]

It was one of the Houseman brothers, the guy who won the 2003 Grouse WC downhill. He was stripped of his medal several months ago for testing positive for THC.

Pretty stupid on his part, when you are a professional athlete, you need to be a tad more professional, esp. when you KNOW they do random drug testing. What a bonehead!

[white ri0t]

52 plants? That's it? Life's to short not to go big, gotta go big. I remember reading an interview with him saying how stoked he was not to be so chronic anymore. Hopefully he we was only growing the shit, not smoking it. Oh well, best of luck to him. But it kind of sounds like he's fucked.

[Jon-boy]

Gary Houseman... did you know that they don't test XC riders for THC's? Only the DH'ers. (Got that from the latest Bike magazine).

[cookedbananas]

rockwell is 31 now? whoa. i dident know he was THAT old. :D

thats pretty stupid of him though.

[inshane]

He was stripped of his medal several months ago for testing positive for THC???
Thats bullshit!

[Keefer]

52 plants valued at $200,000 street value? Must be some pretty big plants...

[sprinter]

Originally posted by "inshane"
He was stripped of his medal several months ago for testing positive for THC???
Thats bullshit!

Rules are rules. If you don't like drug testing then don't compete. Otherwise that's one of the rules, he got caught and he got what he deserved.

[BULLITBOY]

Originally posted by Castle
that sucks, I believe in the states it's alot safer to have 49....... seems he had 3 too many, I wanna say it has something to do with either getting in a shitload of trouble or just getting in trouble..... so I'm thinkin he's in a shitload of trouble

not good.....

It depends on what state your are in. Some have no-tolerance laws. There is a guy in Indiana doing life for his grow-op. But his operation was a bit larger. Shitty thing is - his own daughter turned him in.

[DaveM]

Tough break. He should move to BC, he'd be out with a slap on the wrist and be growing again by the next day if he lived here. 52 plants is a nice small time basement operation in these parts.

As far as Houseman goes, I agree with Sprinter, if you don't like the rules don't play the game. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not.

[Bryce]

No! Not "Smiles" Rockwell!

He was one of the few pros at the Grouse WC's who was actually talking to and joking with fans. He's always been known for being super cool. What a tough break for a nice guy.

Yeah, too bad he wasn't in BC, he'd only have to replace the equipment and plants

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by "inshane"
He was stripped of his medal several months ago for testing positive for THC???
Thats bullshit!

Shocking eh? (did you know the blood test was from prior to the race?)

To become a professional in a field you know tests for drugs. And to then go compete, and voluntarily take the drugs you know they test for, knowing that testing positive disqualifies you from your profession.

What an outrage. Someone should sue.....or fire him.

That is a kick in the teeth for all of his employers (sponsors), completely disrespectful to make a selfish decision to enagage in something you know jeopardizes your results. He brings his sponsors to a gold medal, and then puts them through the humiliation of having it stripped because he lacked the maturity and willpower to say "no" as a professional athlete.

[pete]

I dunno, drug testing is fine for me in higher levels but I disagree with the fact that xc racers are not tested for THC whereas DH racers are. If they are both competing under the same organisation they should both be tested. IMO.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Agreed, but a rule is a rule and he should have used a little brain power and known better. Unfair or not, he knew what they test for and ignored it. Tough sh*t for him.

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by pete
I dunno, drug testing is fine for me in higher levels but I disagree with the fact that xc racers are not tested for THC whereas DH racers are. If they are both competing under the same organisation they should both be tested. IMO.

XC racers are smart enough to realise when something will slow them up. DH racers on the other hand....

BULLITBOY, how do you know it was his own daughter? That is a good way to get dis-owned, IMO.

[bcbud]

Maybe he was the one who sold to the Houseman's.......

[Universe]

Originally posted by diggs
XC racers are smart enough to realise when something will slow them up. DH racers on the other hand....

BULLITBOY, how do you know it was his own daughter? That is a good way to get dis-owned, IMO.

Hey come on now, we all know weed creates 'tunnel vision' which enhances performance :/

[white ri0t]

smoke makes lungs strong!

[inshane]

Originally posted by sprinter
Rules are rules. If you don't like drug testing then don't compete. Otherwise that's one of the rules, he got caught and he got what he deserved.
Remember the winter olympics involving a snowboarder?
Funny how he got to keep his gold medal even after testing positive for thc! Plus, THC has zero performance gain...

[white ri0t]

^^that was Ross Reblagiagij=ate--(i. Sure he won a gold, got a run named after him and a street, as well as a shitty much music album, but where is he now?

[BULLITBOY]

Originally posted by diggs
XC racers are smart enough to realise when something will slow them up. DH racers on the other hand....

BULLITBOY, how do you know it was his own daughter? That is a good way to get dis-owned, IMO.

The dude in Indiana's daughter. Not Rockwells.

[GRIZZ]

:lol:

[Grimace]

theres no way i would grow in the states, maybe in the bush not im my own house where theres no denying it, its just not worth the risk, i predict he goes to jail for awhile pro dher or not

[Banshee Beast]

Seems kinda dumb to be growing in the States:???: Penalties are MUCH harsher than up here. $200k for 52 plants:P Don't effin think so. 3 maybe 4 lbs max. 10k U.S. is what I'm thinkin'. Cops must be trying to sell it by the gram:D

[BiG D]

:lol:

[Flow]

I'm not terribly suprised actually! In an early vid(kranked 2 or somethin) Myles had a tee shirt with a big pot leaf on the front of it...

[trail worker]

tough break for him,but definately not the smartest maneovre.
on a side note,they weigh the seized amounts when wet,before it has dried.anyone with half a brain(in this case the dea who made the statement) should be able to figure out that no-one smokes wet pot,and when it IS wet,you end up with something close to 10 times the dry amount.

[Loopie]

Too bad for him. I'm sure he knew the risks.

plant count doesn't tell you much btw.....if you put 50 under a single 1000W and get 1.5-2lbs, great. Now stick 50 plants in a 50,000W room...now we're talking 75-100lbs:lol:

[Uncle Duke]

people should stick to alcohol,
leave that devils weed alone, I mean take a look at the benefits of booze, no violence, creative flow enhanced,fitness improves dramatically...there is no down side.

[Dude]

Originally posted by Bryce
What a tough break for a nice guy.

Yeah, too bad he wasn't in BC, he'd only have to replace the equipment and plants

I'm all for freedom of choice, but come on!

How is this a tough break? he knowingly broke the law, in a country that is very heavy handed toward drug manufacturing. Why are people feeling sorry for this guy for being an idot? I hate to play devil's advocate, but down there, it isn't a "tough break" because it is well known that if you are caught in any drug manufacturing scheme, you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Say what you want about the US- at least they take a stance on the issue, instead of here in BC and Canada, where the Government will not either commit to decriminalization, not legalize because they'd blow-up the underground economy.

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by "inshane"
He was stripped of his medal several months ago for testing positive for THC???
Thats bullshit!

well, what if a couple quick puffs, while not impairing you, was enough to settle your nerves and let you not grab for the brakes as quickly because you were just a tiny bit calmer?
DH racing is a game of tenths of seconds. What if by smoking up just a little bit, you could maybe gain 0.5 seconds? That could be a competitive advantage.
This is purely hypothetical, and probably nonsense, but you get the point. The rules say no performance enhancing drugs. Some people can make the argument that THC, in small doses, is a performance enhancer for high stress sports like DH mtb racing (or DH snowboarding... gold medal??)

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by Dude
I'm all for freedom of choice, but come on!

How is this a tough break? he knowingly broke the law, in a country that is very heavy handed toward drug manufacturing. Why are people feeling sorry for this guy for being an idot? I hate to play devil's advocate, but down there, it isn't a "tough break" because it is well known that if you are caught in any drug manufacturing scheme, you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

yeah, grow ops are not always run by 'nice guys'. Usually, grow ops have some p.o.s. thug with a gun hidden somewhere. I'm not against the grow-op per se, what I'm against is bringing the crime element into 'safe' neighbourhoods. My neighbourhood is all $250k+ homes. A Vietnamese gang bought one and turned it into a grow op. It was part of a large organized criminal network. I don't need that kind of crap around my kids. They found other drugs and guns and money at that house. (It was one street over from mine).
The government should just legalize the shit and allow farmers to grow it just like vineyards or tobacco crops. I cannot honestly say that cigarettes or booze are any worse than pot. But it's the criminal element surrounding pot that is the problem.

[barry]

Originally posted by duke
people should stick to alcohol,
leave that devils weed alone, I mean take a look at the benefits of booze, no violence, creative flow enhanced,fitness improves dramatically...there is no down side.
i hope your being sarcastic :P

Originally posted by Slamigo
I cannot honestly say that cigarettes or booze are any worse than pot. But it's the criminal element surrounding pot that is the problem.
you nailed it dude!


and on the subject of THC improving/not improving your riding, we have to respect that everyone is different. some of us are just more sketchy baked, whereas others excel. personally i think he got penalized justly. knock me all you want, but im confident in saying that it enhances my performance on the bike, especially in DH. and if i ever raced i think that i'd stay sober to keep it fair. and when your racing on a national level, with people who's careers are at stake, fair is a big player...

[sAFETY]

I'm all for banning the use of weed at an event, but when someone smokes up weeks/months prior and then gets stripped of their medal, it's a joke.

It's because THC is detectable for a long time that there are problems. Would someone having a coffee 2 weeks before a race grounds for stripping them of a medal if it could be detected? Caffeine's banned in all olympic events?

[Neo]

good for him. sounds like a sweet grow op. too bad the law and the powers that be are too stupid and narrow minded. sux that its in the states too.

keep it real miles. :thepimp:

[Bryce]

Originally posted by Dude
How is this a tough break? he knowingly broke the law,

cuz he got caught.

its like when Wade broke his leg, we said "tough break" even though he knowingly took a risk.

I'm just saying its bad luck and I feel for they guy since I see nothing wrong with the type of grow-op Myles had. I don't wanna stir shit up but, oops, too late

[Neo]

Originally posted by Slamigo
yeah, grow ops are not always run by 'nice guys'. Usually, grow ops have some p.o.s. thug with a gun hidden somewhere. I'm not against the grow-op per se, what I'm against is bringing the crime element into 'safe' neighbourhoods. My neighbourhood is all $250k+ homes. A Vietnamese gang bought one and turned it into a grow op. It was part of a large organized criminal network. I don't need that kind of crap around my kids. They found other drugs and guns and money at that house. (It was one street over from mine).
The government should just legalize the shit and allow farmers to grow it just like vineyards or tobacco crops. I cannot honestly say that cigarettes or booze are any worse than pot. But it's the criminal element surrounding pot that is the problem.

you are so wrong. not one person i've known that grows is a thug has ever owned a fucking gun. and i've known a LOT of growers with big plantations. you are just as brainwashed as everyone else i'm afraid cuz the legal system wants you to think that weed is thuggary. i'll admit that sure there are some grow ops that are gang/thug related, but that does not mean that all are, and i hardly think that miles is a thug.

[white ri0t]

Blaine, there's a big difference between your dirtbag duncan grow shows and say one in Surrey or even Kerrisdale. Hell when i lived in Wvan there were three on my street alone. I was dating a chick who had three in Kerrisdale, found out one of her guys was stealing from the harvest and had him beat down...things didn't last long between me and her, but that is beside the point.

[Dude]

Dante: I think you're missing the point by a country mile and a half.

The point is that he made a stupid decision. The fact it, laws are laws. If you made a choice to break them- especially narcotics laws in the US- you need to be prepared to live with the consequences. Up here, the consequences are an absolute joke, but down there? Pardon the pun, but what was he smoking?

To your completely skewed opinion of the grow-op connection to organized crime...what rock are you living under? Yes, there are a ton of recreational- and by all account harmless- growers / users out there. They aren't the real problem. The real problem is the percentage that have ties to organized crime. You'd better believe gangs like the HA have an interest in protecting their investments. The biggest market for these thugs is the US, and guess what they trade the good old green stuff for? Guns. Guns that are then used as part of the same organized circle of crimes. Guns that end up in our neighborhoods, because these thugs have enough liquid cash to buy up brand new houses for the sole purpose of growing pot.

I welcome a good debate on this, and am pretty open minded to ideas like decriminalization or even legalization, but if you're going to speak on the topic, get your facts straight, and know all sides to the argument.

[sAFETY]

That's the thing about grow opps, when the Cops go on the news and say they found bats and a gun, they don't mention that it's for the guys that'll try to steal their shit. Not for lockin' down the fort and taking hostages if the Cops come by.

[Dude]

Originally posted by sAFETY
That's the thing about grow opps, when the Cops go on the news and say they found bats and a gun, they don't mention that it's for the guys that'll try to steal their shit. Not for lockin' down the fort and taking hostages if the Cops come by.

Of course it is, and that pretty much is known without having to mention it. It's the old "chicken and egg" scenario.

This is why I shake my head at Dante's comments...

[DaveM]

Who do you think your nice friends with grow-ops sell the product to? A couple of steps down the line it all ends up in the hands of not so nice guys. Lots of nice guys with small grow-ops have had their doors kicked in and places ripped off by not so nice guys. That's part of the risk of the business, and nobody wants it in their neighborhood.

[sAFETY]

Originally posted by Dude
Of course it is, and that pretty much is known without having to mention it.

It's known by you and me, but not the general public who fly off the handle and think that pot = gangs = terrorists = SARS. Unfortunatley these are the people that the Lawmakers and Police answer to and it just contributes to the illegal status of pot, especially in the US.

[corey@nsmb.com]

I'd like to see how opinions would change if some of you had your home mistaken for a grow-op.

When someone comes and kicks in your front door at 3 am, scare your children to death so they can't feel safe in their own home again, and ransak your home to find they were at the wrong address, would you still think it's "ok" ?

It happens. A grow-op beside your home or in your neighborhood can put you at risk.

[Dude]

Safety: what does it matter WHY you have the unregistered gun in your place? If you have it there, you have intention to use it. It doesn't matter the circumstance when it comes to having a gun in the place of a grow-op.

[sAFETY]

Originally posted by Dude
Safety: what does it matter WHY you have the unregistered gun in your place? If you have it there, you have intention to use it. It doesn't matter the circumstance when it comes to having a gun in the place of a grow-op.

It's the lesser of two evils. You tell people that there are weapons at a grow-op residence and many people will assume that it's to go out in a blaze of glory if they're ever busted, or for when the growers get high and feel like going out and murdering someone. People assume that anything involved with pot is inherrently evil.

The minority know that it's to keep the criminal element away from their soon-to-be decriminalized products.

The fiction is that pot and everything associated with it is evil. The fact is that it's the laws around it that lead to problems.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by sAFETY
The minority know that it's to keep the criminal element away from their soon-to-be decriminalized products.


And the wise know that as long as firearms and violence is involved in keeping that "innocent" product safe, it is never going to be decriminalized.

Guns and violence put the criminal in that industry, not the product.

[Ashek]

Dont bring unregistered guns into this.
The reason to have unregistered guns in the house is to make a passive stance against our government's massivly inefficient system to register all firearms. Why the hell bother, since criminals dont register their guns anyways.

That entire system was flawed from the start, and doesn't have a lot to do with grow-ops anyways.

Bad people will do bad things, no matter what the law is, unless its not worth the risk anymore. Then a GOOD person does one thing, which has been harshly legislated, and they get treated like a lifelong product of the system.

Nevermind the fact that we have a revolving door, slap-on-the-wrist correction system anyways.

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com


Guns and violence put the criminal in that industry, not the product.

But greed beget the violence.

I mostly just wanted to use the word "beget" though.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by diggs
But greed begat the violence.

I mostly just wanted to use the word "begat" though.


:lol: well executed. If I knew what it meant, I might even be able to play along.

[white ri0t]

It's actually beget. but you beat me to my edit. It basically means came before or spawned.

[Dude]

Originally posted by Ashek
Dont bring unregistered guns into this.
The reason to have unregistered guns in the house is to make a passive stance against our government's massivly inefficient system to register all firearms. Why the hell bother, since criminals dont register their guns anyways.


You're right: different can of worms. Let's not go there. Back to the point....

I should have used the terms "unlicenced". That said, the point being that the dweller is guilty by his association of having the firearms in the grow-op house in Surrey. It isn't likely that those guns were there for the owner to use in tending his fields.

[j tizzle]

free myles rockwell8)

[Slamigo]

crap. only a couple of you got my point.

I am not speaking about generalities, or I heard from so and so. There was a grow op busted in our neighbourhood. My neighbour is a cop. She told me that they found guns and other drugs there and that it was part of an organized Vietnamese crime gang. (Nothing against the Vietnamese either, my neice is from Vietnam)
I don't want that crap in my neighbourhood. I don't imagine that they had a gun there to shoot cops. Far from it. The gun is there to protect the thugs guarding the pot grow op from other thugs with guns. But when they decide to shoot it out and my children are nearby, that is what is freaking me out.

And as far as these small time grow ops who think that they are not criminals, wait until organized crime comes knocking at your door. I know a guy in Montreal who had a nice little grow op for a very small and select clientele. One day a huge grow op got busted a couple streets over. The following week, the Hell's Angels came to his door and told him "Guess what? You're the new grow op." His little operation took over his whole house and his regular customers, (all nerdo professionals), didn't dare go by his place anymore because it was now a 'real' grow op.

This kind of stuff happens all the time. My friend's cousin was in the Rock Machine (it used to be a biker gang). He kept guns hidden all over the place. That dude has killed people. All of the violence in his life is centered on drug trafficking.

The criminal element surrounding pot is very real and very dangerous. If you believe otherwise, then you are naive.

That being said, I think that they should just decriminalize it. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon as Bill C-10 is just about to die on the Order Paper with an election call looming large next week.

Oh, and I've been to Colombia and have spoken personally with the U.S. ambassador to Colombia about the drug trade. (I work for the House of Commons) She said that good ole George is not going to accept Canada decriminalizing pot. The US has a Drug Czar and they spend billions fighting the drug trade. (money that seems to be completely wasted IMHO) Face it, the US has huge leverage on Canada when it comes to cross border trade. Think softwood lumber. Now think Beef. If you think the States will relax on any of those issues after Canada decriminalizes pot, think again.

I don't think we'll see pot decriminalized any time soon. I also don't think you'll see the criminal element go away.

[Shmoe]

You guys are all talking about the negitives of grow ops, the weapons, people and violence that goes into them.

Now if weed was legalized, this wouldn't happen. Sure, there would still be op's for more serious drugs, but the number of grow ops would become very small.

Thats my thoughts on the issue, hell, I KNOW some police officers in the area that agree with me.

[UrBaN hAxOr]

man oh man... this guys done for... i agree dont compete in racing if u like dope... but how dumb can u be, dont grow ur own...let someone else get in shit....:clap:LEGALIZE MARY JANE:clap:

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by Shmoe
You guys are all talking about the negitives of grow ops, the weapons, people and violence that goes into them.

Now if weed was legalized, this wouldn't happen. Sure, there would still be op's for more serious drugs, but the number of grow ops would become very small.

Thats my thoughts on the issue, hell, I KNOW some police officers in the area that agree with me.

That is exactly my point. If it was decriminalized, it would remove the criminal element. People could have little grow ops if they wanted, just like people make their own wine or brew their own beer. Why are they allowed to do that, but others can't grow a couple pot plants?

I just think that we have to remove the criminal element. And I'm not some hippie pothead either, I haven't touched that stuff in 10 years. It's just common sense.

[The_Real_Yeti]

man that sucks:eek:

[Neo]

i've had some amazing grow ops. long live miles.

[Loopie]

I've heard about the methods bikers have used....nasty. You'd wish you only got busted or ripped off.....they'll make you work for them.
I've reduced my association with a few friends of mine to almost nothing over the past yr or so....they're just "normal" guys that grow....but I did wonder one day what would happen if some Biker or a ripper was watching them, saw me, and then came to my house with assumptions.....so I don't associate with 'em no more:(

[sir HUCK-A-LOT]

on my street there has been 2 grow ops now. and we aint talking surrey here. this is upper north van 600k+ plus homes. you think its cool bringing crime into an area where kids walk alone on the trails to school??

we had the SKETCHIEST people coming and going at all hours of the night. cars started getting broken into, and people were being verbally harassed by people that came and went from the houses.

i did not appreciate either being woken up at 4:13am on a tuesday morning having plain clothes officers hunched down and crawling through my backyard. almost had a heart attack when i woke up to a russle outside my window, saw 3 guys with guns hunched over walking slowly through the rhododenren bushes and along the fence, then to hear a loud bang (the door being busted open) and screaming and yelling as they raided the house right beside us.

the inside of this house was completly ruined! mould everywhere, walls damp, celing sagging, so much damage.

i had my suspiscion of a grow op when in the winter those 2 houses were the only ones without snow or frost on the tops of them, and when i would come home late (3am) and see lights on really bright through a boarded up basement window.
i even called the cops and let them know my thoughts, and they said they would investigate.


big middle finger to those that grow in urban areas.

[Moocowsia]

Originally posted by Slamigo
crap. only a couple of you got my point.

I am not speaking about generalities, or I heard from so and so. There was a grow op busted in our neighbourhood. My neighbour is a cop. She told me that they found guns and other drugs there and that it was part of an organized Vietnamese crime gang. (Nothing against the Vietnamese either, my neice is from Vietnam)
I don't want that crap in my neighbourhood. I don't imagine that they had a gun there to shoot cops. Far from it. The gun is there to protect the thugs guarding the pot grow op from other thugs with guns. But when they decide to shoot it out and my children are nearby, that is what is freaking me out.

And as far as these small time grow ops who think that they are not criminals, wait until organized crime comes knocking at your door. I know a guy in Montreal who had a nice little grow op for a very small and select clientele. One day a huge grow op got busted a couple streets over. The following week, the Hell's Angels came to his door and told him "Guess what? You're the new grow op." His little operation took over his whole house and his regular customers, (all nerdo professionals), didn't dare go by his place anymore because it was now a 'real' grow op.

This kind of stuff happens all the time. My friend's cousin was in the Rock Machine (it used to be a biker gang). He kept guns hidden all over the place. That dude has killed people. All of the violence in his life is centered on drug trafficking.

The criminal element surrounding pot is very real and very dangerous. If you believe otherwise, then you are naive.

That being said, I think that they should just decriminalize it. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon as Bill C-10 is just about to die on the Order Paper with an election call looming large next week.

Oh, and I've been to Colombia and have spoken personally with the U.S. ambassador to Colombia about the drug trade. (I work for the House of Commons) She said that good ole George is not going to accept Canada decriminalizing pot. The US has a Drug Czar and they spend billions fighting the drug trade. (money that seems to be completely wasted IMHO) Face it, the US has huge leverage on Canada when it comes to cross border trade. Think softwood lumber. Now think Beef. If you think the States will relax on any of those issues after Canada decriminalizes pot, think again.

I don't think we'll see pot decriminalized any time soon. I also don't think you'll see the criminal element go away.

On that note we could start refusing to sell the water and electricity. We have more leverage than you think.

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by Moocowsia
On that note we could start refusing to sell the water and electricity. We have more leverage than you think.

Think again. Refusing the supply of water and electricity will be a clear and present danger to the U.S. population. That is akin holding a gun to someone's head because people/hospitals/old folks' homes/apartment buildings etc. etc. etc. all depend on that stuff.

That is a non-starter. Infact, there has already been rumblings in the U.S. about Canada's stance on not being so supportive of exporting fresh water. It is being seen as aggression South of the border.

Also, the bilateral trade deficit is heavily in our favour. We absolutely depend on the U.S. for most of our exports. Our GDP is based on trade with the U.S. whereas the U.S. could cut off trade with us altogether with minimal impact. Think about it, we have less popultation than California.

[Grimace]

moral of the story is move to the sunshine coast and grow in the untamed wilderness

[Loopie]

I love those "Your neighbour might be a grower if..." lists in the paper all the time.
My faves have always been that if you have curtains...you're a grower....if you take your garbage out in a garbage bag...you're a grower....and the newest one I just read today....if you pay your rent with cash...:lol::rolleyes:

[sir HUCK-A-LOT]

^ they are all signs tho

you see curtains drawn all the time, you see large things of trash going out in bags on a constant basis. we would see them loading it into the back of a pickup every few nights at like 1am.

and rent/payments in cash is usually a tell tale sign for anything. people only pay by cash when they dont want to leave a paper trail. otherwise you would just get direct deposit accounts

[Neo]

ALL YOU = N00BS

personally, i cant believe some of the BS i'm reading in this thread. but oh well...

[Uncle Duke]

Originally posted by Film
moral of the story is move to the sunshine coast and grow in the untamed wilderness

just dont start building a trail or you'll get it:D

[j tizzle]

hahaha, arnold your a dumbass 8)

edit: wow my new avatar sure is stylin'

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by Dante Alighieri
personally, i cant believe some of the BS i'm reading in this thread. but oh well...

Meh, be specific. You can call bulls&*t on anything you want, but I can prove everything that I've posted.

You'd be surprized at how holy-far-right the republicans are down south.


Let's put everything in perspective:

I'm more afraid of George Bush getting re-elected than having a grow-op in the neighbourhood. :eek:

[Incorrigible]

Slamigo, you've presented us with some disturbing news: I moved to the Ottawa area thinking it was so peaceful and the crime rate was so much lower than where I was in downtown Van. Just keep it all on your side of the river, OK???