2005 Boxxer

[damian]

Damn, SRAM is doing a good job over at RS. And Polish people are useful.


The all new Boxxer.
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=174633

The redesigned old Boxxer.
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=174635

[sAFETY]

I wouldn't go back to a boxxer, but these refinements are giving me less and less reason not to.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Meh...Looks like they finally got on board with precision crowns that don't require a mallet to insert the stanchions, and they finally beefed up the arch a bit. They also fixed the shool-bus type turning radius.

They still have the pinner pinch bolts that strip out easily by the axle.

Looks like RS has responded to the 888 in terms of physical size and features. Whether or not the internals and durability match up is another discussion.

Either way, good on them, I am always excited to see new stuff!

[corey@nsmb.com]

...and it is only a pic, I don't want to be overly critical!

Looking forward to seeing it.

[Del]

Tire clearance is lookin great, the U turn is pretty sweet for a big fork like that and over all it looks improved on most fronts to me.

[DangerousDean]

holy cowz0rz
the boxxer "ride" looks awsome, 5"-7"!!
i wonder if the ride will be the same price range as the race?? or the team

and 8" boxxer? AWSOME!
bigger arch, more turning radius(needed badly)

they just need to fix the pinch bolts, they should make them like the bolts on the shermans imo thats the best way to do it

[ATN]

A big chunk of my wallet looks like it's heading SRAM's way next yet... the Boxxer Ride looks perfect for the Scirocco. I'm still undecided on the new single crowns though, I think I'd prefer a Minute 2 130....

[damian]

Yup, I think RS is going to have a whole lot more attention for 2005. But, whats the Red Pill then?

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

haha boxxers are pretty rough to do things to you need hammers and boards to fix them :lol:

one of my pinch bolts is stripped out but my lbs said 3 was good enought anyway:lol:

[ATN]

Originally posted by damian
Yup, I think RS is going to have a whole lot more attention for 2005. But, whats the Red Pill then?

Red Pill is the Motion Control Dampening in the Reba and Pike forks.

So, bets on how long until there's SRAM-Sachs-RockShox-Avid-RaceFace?

[atb]

the boxxer ride looks good.

[IFO]

SWEET.... good news from SRAM

its great to see the boXXer getting redesigned for the current needs of riders...

im still not sold on my 888, and might yet still swap it for something else...

if the new boXXer is light, affordable i might have myself a new option...

:thepimp:

plus the fork looks awesome...

[cookedbananas]

Originally posted by ATN
So, bets on how long until there's SRAM-Sachs-RockShox-Avid-RaceFace?
two weeks at most

[ATN]

Competition really is a good thing... I'm loving SRAM X.7 drivetrain. There will be a time when buying SRAM isn't "sticking it to the shimano" but at least they'll still be the best out there.

Now, how about a Psylo Blackbox damper?

[damian]

Originally posted by IFO
SWEET.... good news from SRAM

its great to see the boXXer getting redesigned for the current needs of riders...

im still not sold on my 888, and might yet still swap it for something else...

if the new boXXer is light, affordable i might have myself a new option...

:thepimp:

plus the fork looks awesome...

I really like the look of the new BoXXer. Its for sure going to be something worth looking at, just another option. From the pics it looks good, its the endurance I'm curious about.

[illomatic]

I like how they call it "the emerging long-travel market".....uhhhh long-travel has been here for a while, RS just missed the boat on it.

Looks nice though.

[damian]

Originally posted by illomatic
I like how they call it "the emerging long-travel market".....uhhhh long-travel has been here for a while, RS just missed the boat on it.

Looks nice though.

Well not really, the "standard" had been 7 inches, now the forks are moving to 8, which is what the new Boxxer is doing.

[illomatic]

The fork they were reffering to had 7 inches.

[damian]

Originally posted by illomatic
The fork they were reffering to had 7 inches.

Forget what I said.

[Stinky_D]

Originally posted by damian
Damn, SRAM is doing a good job over at RS. And Polish people are useful.

hahahahahhaha!

[white ri0t]

maybe they will have also caught up to the competion with **external compression and rebound dampening** in the year 2005.

[switch]

Is there an increase in weight in these new versions of the Boxxer?

[*GiMpY_jR*]

boXXer pride!

[banjopete]

I would feel better if they said they snuck into marzocchi and stole their seals and bushings for 2005.

Seriously though it is nice that they increased the turning radius for the forks which were ridiculous, and now lets hope that marz follows suit with their forks soon. I think you should be able to turn the bars 90 degrees from the frame with every fork.

[damian]

Originally posted by switch
Is there an increase in weight in these new versions of the Boxxer?

I would imagine that there would be a slight increase in weight in the 8 inch Boxxer, but since there keeping it a race fork I would also think that they would try their best to keep the weight down.

[polytics]

Originally posted by banjopete
I would feel better if they said they snuck into marzocchi and stole their seals and bushings for 2005.



yeah no shite... thats the one place I think Marzcchi is still ahead of the game on everybody

the new stuff looks cool... I especially like the remote lock out system that was featured with the SC forks... dollars to donuts you will see a similar system on black-box Boxxers... wherein the pros can start partially compressed, build up speed and then click the button to release.

Originally posted by ATN
Competition really is a good thing... I'm loving SRAM X.7 drivetrain. There will be a time when buying SRAM isn't "sticking it to the shimano" but at least they'll still be the best out there.

as for sticking it to Shimano... meh... uber-engineered products from uber rich bike/fishing focussed component maker from Japan, or uber-engineered products from super-UBER-rich land speculators from Chicago... neither of these companies or their owners are hurting... ride what works for you and get over the I'm-riding-this-cause-its-not-that-bullshit

[Stinky_Rider]

Originally posted by banjopete
Seriously though it is nice that they increased the turning radius for the forks which were ridiculous, and now lets hope that marz follows suit with their forks soon. I think you should be able to turn the bars 90 degrees from the frame with every fork.

Its funny you say that because the Sherman Slider has alot less turning radius than the boxxer, and even less on burlier frames.


Originally posted by polytics
ride what works for you and get over the I'm-riding-this-cause-its-not-that-bullshit

I like the way this man thinks, I run Shimano XT brakes, best brakes ever, lighter than hopes, yet still powerful. I'm really excited to see what the Boxxers have in store.

Myabe people won't hate them as much now because SRAM owns them:rolleyes:

[trail worker]

Ive always loved my 02 boxxer...it's just looking pretty rough these days.lowers are getting to be a little gnarly.
i'll give this new 8 inch boxxer a year or two before i jump on the bandwagon...i'm quite happy with 7 inches of travel--its a far cry forwards from back in the xc days of 3 inch "dh" forks....man times have changed.back then the judy dh had only 3.1 inches of travel,and the marzocchi DH3 was damn good competetition on the judy dh,providing the same travel,with reliable rebound damping.

personally,i will not go back to a marzocchi fork for a looong time..i just love how my boxxer is versatile enough to do dh and big hucks on,with very little weight penalty.
it'll be a sad day for sure when(or if) my 02 boxxer finally dies.

[ATN]

Originally posted by polytics
as for sticking it to Shimano... meh... uber-engineered products from uber rich bike/fishing focussed component maker from Japan, or uber-engineered products from super-UBER-rich land speculators from Chicago... neither of these companies or their owners are hurting... ride what works for you and get over the I'm-riding-this-cause-its-not-that-bullshit

Ive gotten over that... I run Shimano XT brakes now and the only way to get me to give them up would be XTR or XT monobody Shimano brakes. I chose a XT cassette over a Sram cassette... could have had full SRAM/RaceFace drivetrain, cheaper too, but no, the XT cassette is a better cassette (better gear spacing IMO).

[polytics]

Gotta agree... I run single speeds exclusively, but when it comes to butchering up a cassette for cogs I choose Shimano as well, I also prefere their chains, although I ran Sachs chains for years. :) I'm also running their XT 8" brake up front ((for now)) and I love it, and just bought a pair of Saint cranks to replace my profiles... but my new-old frame takes a rear disk, so I'm going to pick up an Avid 8" cable actuated ((I've heard too many good things to care who owns the company now)) for at least the back. I'd seriously consider the Pike, but I just ordered a Z-1 SL.

Given the length of the boxxer, compared to a Psylo ((with U-Turn allowing 2" of travel adjustment)) I'd like to see a Boxxer with 4"-7" of U-Turn travel adjusment. Given the number of guys using HT's for Park/Urban/DJ/Shore versatility really is key. That kind of adjustment, and the aforementioned theft of Marzocchi's seals, would make it the most versatile DC fork out there... and, as mentioned above, with almost zero weight penalty ((and in fact zero when compared to SC forks like the Z150 or DJ series))

[Keefer]

If I U-Turn that ride down to 5.25", would it stay there and be fully functional? Or is it a gimmick like the Flick/Firefly that will break if you ride it in lower travel?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Keefer
If I U-Turn that ride down to 5.25", would it stay there and be fully functional? Or is it a gimmick like the Flick/Firefly that will break if you ride it in lower travel?

U-Turn increases the spring rate and is fully fucntional.

[damian]

The travel adjustment is gonna own, I have a feeling that you may start seeing Boxxer's on a few more bikes in 2005.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by damian
The travel adjustment is gonna own, I have a feeling that you may start seeing Boxxer's on a few more bikes in 2005.


I wouldn't use it. Why? If I buy a 7" fork, it is because I want a 7" fork. I can't think of a ride I ever go on with my big bike where I would run a smaller fork. Why bother running 5.75" when I can run a full 7"? Maybe for the climb, but thats about it.

Usually when you buy a 5-6" fork it is because you want smaller travel in a DC format, and for the weight saving. You don't save the weight with the U-Turn feature, and if you wanted a 5" fork, you just bought one with 2 more inches than you wanted in the first place.

It looks like a cool fork, but I don't see any benefit to me if I were to buy one.

But, for others, it might be the perfect answer. :)

[damian]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
I wouldn't use it. Why? If I buy a 7" fork, it is because I want a 7" fork. I can't think of a ride I ever go on with my big bike where I would run a smaller fork. Why bother running 5.75" when I can run a full 7"? Maybe for the climb, but thats about it.

Usually when you buy a 5-6" fork it is because you want smaller travel in a DC format, and for the weight saving. You don't save the weight with the U-Turn feature, and if you wanted a 5" fork, you just bought one with 2 more inches than you wanted in the first place.

It looks like a cool fork, but I don't see any benefit to me if I were to buy one.

But, for others, it might be the perfect answer. :)

I won't use it, but lots of people really like the idea of travel reduction. So many people used the travel adjustment on the Manitou fork, only to find it wasn't meant for riding in the low travel setting. I guess what I mean is that for a person that has one bike for all, having a double crown would mean a tougher fork with more travel for the mountain abuse, with the ability to reduce the travel and session some dirt jumps.

In any case, I'm stoked to see some more forks come out. One thing we need is more suspension products, more choice. And hopefully the prices will be competetive.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by damian
I won't use it, but lots of people really like the idea of travel reduction. So many people used the travel adjustment on the Manitou fork, only to find it wasn't meant for riding in the low travel setting. I guess what I mean is that for a person that has one bike for all, having a double crown would mean a tougher fork with more travel for the mountain abuse, with the ability to reduce the travel and session some dirt jumps.

In any case, I'm stoked to see some more forks come out. One thing we need is more suspension products, more choice. And hopefully the prices will be competetive.


Solid points, I agree with ya.

[switch]

I'd use the travel adjustment on a hardtail, or a 5" travel bike. Set it up for small travel for easier trails, climbing, all-mountain riding, etc. If riding something a little more harsh (i.e. Neds), set it to longer travel mode. Adjustment from 5" to 7" (4" to 7" on a hardtail) would be sweet. It's just too bad that any travel adjustment that I know of is not robust.

[superl8]

The "U-turn" switch is for turning up the RS suck. Come on, if your buying a 7 inch travel fork your not a climber in the first place. On the long slow grind up the hill my front end barely moves - the back, I add a few cliks worth of rebound and compression an it pretty much stays put as well. Who really needs more breakable RS parts????
(oh yeah I'm new here so no offense meant to anyone :D )

[IFO]

Originally posted by superl8
The "U-turn" switch is for turning up the RS suck. Come on, if your buying a 7 inch travel fork your not a climber in the first place.

WOW, did u ever just diss alot of riders who climb up Fromme on their 7" travel forks...

just cuz the "feature" doesnt interest you, doesnt mena it doesnt appeal to ALOT of other riders...

[ATN]

Originally posted by IFO
WOW, did u ever just diss alot of riders who climb up Fromme on their 7" travel forks...

just cuz the "feature" doesnt interest you, doesnt mena it doesnt appeal to ALOT of other riders...

Thinking of putting a Boxxer Ride on the Azonic? Between that and a 6 inch slider, tough choice eh IFO?

[IFO]

nah, im totally happy with my Slider... no chance i'll be getting rid of it...

the 888 on the other hand is still up in the air as to wether im gunna end up keeping it..

[ATN]

Aaah yes. I am trying to find the right DC for my bike, so Slider 03 and Boxxer Ride seem like the best choices. Boxxer will be the more pedally fork, and easier to find, so I'm leaning towards that. Plus it gives me a reason now to spend my money now :P

[switch]

Originally posted by IFO
the 888 on the other hand is still up in the air as to wether im gunna end up keeping it..

Don't like the feel? Or is it too big/tall of a fork?

[IFO]

Originally posted by switch
Don't like the feel? Or is it too big/tall of a fork?

honestly its to heavy...

i like the fork in every other regard... its simply to much weight down low for my pinner arms to hoist on slwo speed drop offs..

when im moving at speed im fine... but then gravity doesnt grab my bike fast enuf ...

slow speed hoists im hurting on now thou..im running about a 60% ratio of having the frt end fall into the drop... not so good for my confidence if u know what i mean...

i hate having to go back to wheelie dropping stuff... im much more neutral balanced doing drops via hoisting off...

im actually considering going to a invert just to move the weight of the fork higher up...im sure that would help me... as its VERY unlikely i'll be able to find anothe rlarge travel DC fork that is as light as my Xvert carbon was...:mad:

[Rosscofat]

woooo .... IFO needs to go the gym.. not get a new fork :D

[ATN]

IFO, you'd save mroe weight by going for a Mavic front rim, a Kevlar Kenda tire, and a standard tube... or sealing a Michy up tubeless.

[damian]

Since I feel bad for you IFO, Ill trade you my 2004 Super T for your 888. I know I'm making a sacrofice, but just trying to help you out.

;)

[IFO]

Originally posted by damian
Since I feel bad for you IFO, Ill trade you my 2004 Super T for your 888. I know I'm making a sacrofice, but just trying to help you out.

;)

but i just got rid of my 04 super-T in order to get a 888...

hahhaah...

thx, but no sale...;)

p.s. i have considered gonig to a lighter frt wheel...im not ready to do that yet thou...

[damian]

Originally posted by IFO
but i just got rid of my 04 super-T in order to get a 888...

hahhaah...

thx, but no sale...;)

p.s. i have considered gonig to a lighter frt wheel...im not ready to do that yet thou...

What front wheel do you have right now? Is there really a noticable weight differance from Super T to 888, enough to make it annoying?

[IFO]

saem wheel i had before actually... im running a DBLwide/Intense combo... so its def. a heavy weight...

its not so much the 888 is WAY heavier then the super-T was... its that i went from lighter forks such as my Xvert carbon to where i am now...

trust me its a big diffference...while i can understand alot of people wont have isues "manning" this fork, its def. working me over...:mad:

[damian]

Originally posted by IFO
saem wheel i had before actually... im running a DBLwide/Intense combo... so its def. a heavy weight...

its not so much the 888 is WAY heavier then the super-T was... its that i went from lighter forks such as my Xvert carbon to where i am now...

trust me its a big diffference...while i can understand alot of people wont have isues "manning" this fork, its def. working me over...:mad:

I rode some Xvert Carbons a while back, they felt so dope, and really light. Comming of that fork I could see as to why you would be bothered by the weight of a 888. I want to know some more solid info on this new 8inch Boxxer, and some real world reviews, it sounds promising.

[switch]

I understand the front weight issue. It's nothing to do with strength, but more to do with building coordination for the extra weight on the front end. I only had a hardtail for a few months, then got my Peeler back going with a new (and heavier) fork. I'm timid about doing any kind of drops until I get used to the balance. But I do like how a bigger fork is so much more forgiving. You can screw up a drop, nose it, and still not crash. Do that on a 4" hardtail and it's time to eat dirt.

[Jon-boy]

Okay nice discussion but I just went to look at the photo's on the link and they've been deleted!!! Why?
I was wanting to have a good look at them... :mad:

[damian]

Probably had something to do with the companies not wanting to relese info. Hopefully some one saved them!

[well ridden]

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[Mountain Dewd]

photos here, simple google search turned 'em up.


edit: do'h, didn't put the url in, http://www.dhracer.com/fr/news_matos/news.php?news=290&url=no

[Jon-boy]

Thanks!!!

[civilian]

Originally posted by IFO
trust me its a big diffference...while i can understand alot of people wont have isues "manning" this fork, its def. working me over...:mad:

That's so weird man:???:

I assume you're only reffering to it being heavier in pulling up, cause when riding my buddy's it feels just as light as my boXXer.

Definately not a heavy fork IMO.

Maybe it's your setup. Are you running the integrated stem? If not, maybe try that. It'll put you farther back and make pulling up easier.

[switch]

Originally posted by civilian
Maybe it's your setup.

Yeah, maybe the Big Hit isn't a good frame for big fork. :P

[IFO]

yeah its only a problem trying to get the frt end hoisted... i have no issues at all riding/steering the fork on the trail...

p.s. i do use the integrated stem...

:mad:

[UFO]

maybe you're running too much rebound damping? back it off a bit, helps you pop a bit

[_TAZ_SIMPSON_]

the pict has been deleted. did anyone save it to their desktop? if so could someone please PM it to me? thanks

[DaveM]

Originally posted by _TAZ_SIMPSON_
the pict has been deleted. did anyone save it to their desktop? if so could someone please PM it to me? thanks

Look back 6 posts.

[FuManChu]

Originally posted by _TAZ_SIMPSON_
the pict has been deleted. did anyone save it to their desktop? if so could someone please PM it to me? thanks


hey champ! ;) ain't seen you in a bit :)

[just ride]

Holy sexy fork batman!

RS definetly needed to work on their seals, i hope they did some work on them for 05.

Im running a 02 boxxer, with a fox mojo cartrage and its the most amazing fork ever. I dont think ill be going back to marz for a longlong time, so when its time to get a new fork the boxxer is still my choice. The slider is nice but i just dont like the feel. The 888 is super nice but a tad heavy for me. A fork like a shiver or dorado is just plain out of the question, since they are almost the size of me. The boxxer is what im left with. I dont think i would like my fork as much if it didnt have the mojo in it. Its definetly an amazing thing to have and i have several people trying to get me to sell it to them ahaha - but its just to nice to give up.

Same goes for sc. I rode marz ( an 01 z1, a 02 dj1 and a 03 dj3) the z1 was good to me but it was on the heavy side- the dj1 felt good and looked good but was also heavy and the dj3 just sucked ass as do all marz scs now-a-days. Then i rode a 03 sherman flick, they feel pretty good but are so stiff and im so small, i dont need all the travel they offer- but damn sexy forks overall and i know why people ride them. However i broke the flick and getting it fixed cost an arm and a leg so i had to sell it in order to pay for the repairs. So now im getting an 04 psylo sl, and hoping it will treat me good.

This is all MPO and im not trying to offend anyone. :)

[IFO]

i had a good look @ Shandro's MRD dorado today...

it is the right height/ cetainly lighter which roks, and of course it felt amazing....

http://www.answerproducts.com/items.asp?deptid=1&itemid=2

me thinks my 888R will be up for sale soon...

:D

[ruttager]

Taken from the Ridemonkey frontpage-is this what they call good PR practices nowadays?

Public service announcement from Marzocchi USA

--Apparently someone posted 2005 Marzocchi product pics? Well you better cut it out, cuz look at this email I got:

"To whom it may concern,

You have posted unauthorized pictures of my 2005 product line._ The pictures were taken in Taiwan, at my booth last week. _I assume you realize that they are pictures of my 2005 line and I think you realize that releasing this information too early is a disservice to Marzocchi and your subscribers. _Since specifications and product lines do change disseminating incorrect information is absolutely wrong and I will pursue any and all legal procedures I can do make sure you will not perform this unprofessional act of stupidity again.

Sincerely,
Bryson Martin
VP Marzocchi USA"--

[damian]

The e-mail has been talked about already, most people dont believe it.

IFO, I like that Dorado, but I dont think that it would suit the Big Hit very well, now a Demo9 on the other hand would be perfect. :)

That Dorado is so dreamy... considering I never even had the oppurtunity to sit on a bike with a Dorado... Ah well.

[switch]

It's only 1/2 pound lighter

Originally posted by IFO
i had a good look @ Shandro's MRD dorado today...

it is the right height/ cetainly lighter which roks, and of course it felt amazing....

http://www.answerproducts.com/items.asp?deptid=1&itemid=2

me thinks my 888R will be up for sale soon...

:D

[switch]

Originally posted by damian
The e-mail has been talked about already, most people dont believe it.

The e-mail was real... :|

[IFO]

Originally posted by switch
It's only 1/2 pound lighter

yes but the weight is in a different spot... its up high versus down by the wheel...

the MRD dorado is big bucks... just cuz i want one, doesnt mean i will get one...

:D

[trail worker]

turn the rebound up a tad...i find most peoples forks that i try out have way too much rebound damping,making them just feel dead when you try to lift up.
my 02 boxxer rebounds fairly fast(even with the reboudn turned to full slow,and 15wt. oil),but i like that feel better...
why are you not goign to the boxxer,which is far lighter,but are looking at a dorado?
the boxxer doesn't require nearly as much maintenance as what people say,and the dorado seems to need alot.
you'd lose probably close to a full pound by going to a boxxer...and since you're liking going fast,and not hte big drops what better a fork to spend money on than a race proven fork like hte boxxer?
dorado would be nice,but i don't see a huge benefit over the 888 you have now.

[Rosscofat]

buy it IFO BUY IT ill givbe u 75$ after u give me the chest protector

[ATN]

Originally posted by trail worker
turn the rebound up a tad...i find most peoples forks that i try out have way too much rebound damping,making them just feel dead when you try to lift up.
my 02 boxxer rebounds fairly fast(even with the reboudn turned to full slow,and 15wt. oil),but i like that feel better...
why are you not goign to the boxxer,which is far lighter,but are looking at a dorado?
the boxxer doesn't require nearly as much maintenance as what people say,and the dorado seems to need alot.
you'd lose probably close to a full pound by going to a boxxer...and since you're liking going fast,and not hte big drops what better a fork to spend money on than a race proven fork like hte boxxer?
dorado would be nice,but i don't see a huge benefit over the 888 you have now.

But you see... IFO wants the Dorado now... and the Boxxer when it comes out. The 888 will be needing an oil change soon... so for sale it goes.

[IFO]

Originally posted by ATN
But you see... IFO wants the Dorado now... and the Boxxer when it comes out. The 888 will be needing an oil change soon... so for sale it goes.

haah he's got it all figured out...

p.s. i've had a boXXer before... and i loved it...

the 2005 boXXer def interests me...

but i'd rather try the MRD dorado first...

its not like any of these fine forks are difficult to resell...i sold my 04 Super-T/03 Jr-T2 off without even trying...

im sure if the 888R has to go, it'll find a new home in short order...

[Shmoe]

The 04 888 is actually lighter then the 04 super T as it uses less oil.

Also, the MRD is still a low fork, lower then an 888 which IMO is a good thing.


IFO, arn't you running a doubleride/intense combo? :lol: If you want somthing light, yet still strong (survives my 200+lb hackish ass) get a mavic 521 built with DB spokes with a tubless set-up to a michelin (or intense if you must) that will drop a hell of a lot of weight and most likely be stronger and more reliable then what you already have.

Wheels are the weight you are going to notice, a dorado isn't very much lighter at all then the 888. Once you ractor in the stem, the dorado MRD is only .6 pounds lighter, and who knows if how accrurate that weight of manitous site is..

I dont think the MRD is that good of a buy, you may aw well buy a Slider+, save $1500 and have a very similar fork. I know that is what I am doing.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Shmoe
IFO, arn't you running a doubleride/intense combo? :lol: If you want somthing light, yet still strong (survives my 200+lb hackish ass) get a mavic 521 built with DB spokes with a tubless set-up to a michelin (or intense if you must) that will drop a hell of a lot of weight and most likely be stronger and more reliable then what you already have.


That's what I suggested, he could also get the D3.1 rim and not have to deal with sealant, it might not be as strong though as it's 10grams less yet has more metal in the spoke holes cause they aren't drilled. DeeMaxes are another option.

PS. IFO we love you for testing all of this gear out then getting some fresh blood on the buy and sell.

[IFO]

haahah yeah the frt wheel is something i will give up if i have to...

but right now im still convinced i can deal with it via forks first...

besides im not getting a demo9 so i gotta get soemhthing else thats "blingbling" for Whistla...:D

the biggest advantage to the MRD over the 888 is the location of the weight...i think going to a invert will solve my problem..

p.s. the MRD Dorado is actually quite tall... thats one of the things i was most interested in seeing....its not tall like a 888, but its def way taller then my 03 Slider....

[Shmoe]

Found this.

Dorado: 21" - 21.5"
Boxxer: 22"
Super T: 21.9"
Shiver: 22.5"
7" 888: 22.6"
8" 888: 23.5
dhf ti 7": 21.845"
slider plus: 21.26"
dorado MRD xworks: 21.15"

Got this from a pretty realiable source:???:Dont make to much sense i guess, the MRD sould be higher one would think.

[The_Real_Yeti]

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[IFO]

Shmoe, your source is incorrect... i put a Dorado beside a MRD Dorado yesturday... and the MRD was taller...

yet the bike with the reg Dorado had the larger tire...28. vs. 2.5...

i had to eyeball it, but i would guess the MRD Dorado was close to a 1" taller then a reg Dorado.. maybe more...

but its way burlier looking... the entire fork is thicker... larger stanctions, thicker carbon uppers and HUGE crowns...

it looked and felt amazing... plus it really felt light down low, which is exxactly what i was hoping to feel...

mind you the bike didnt have a 26" DBLwide/Intense tire either thou, hahahahaah:eek:

[Hepcat]

Wow that is a beautiful fork. http://www.answerproducts.com/items.asp?deptid=1&itemid=2


Nice that RockShox is incorporating travel reduction in a dual crown. Well done! Been waiting for someone to come up with that for quite some time now. I'll be all over that if Marzocchi follows suit.

[Stink Master]

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