toy IV or imperial

[oryx]

I want to buy an ht, i have two choices, a toy iv or an evil imperial, the two are new at the same price. I wondering wich one is better for me, i will mainly do, urban, stair gap, fr (drop), dh and dirt/park/bmx track. The bike will have a boxxer 2002 a the begining and maybe i will change it for a sherman after.

[Rosscofat]

le toy 4 :D much better geo and the new le toy 4 is made mostly for urban street skate dirtjump

[eddiebrannan]

never tried a toy but the evil geometry doens't work for me, esp for gapping. it's very steep, and to my mnd calls for a longer travel dc fork, for use as a dh/trail/fr hardtail. try them both, of course, but that's my 2¢

[Rosscofat]

They both run 1.5 remeber that also... and le toy 4 has that new funky rear end.. that works quite well in changing wheel base :D

[Mountain Dewd]

Id get the toy, i love the geo and i think it is the sexiest frame ever, mate it with a 1.5 sherman dj and pimpin parts, you got the ultimate street/dj bike.

For all around trail riding and stuff i might chosse the imperial. You can't really go wrong with either, but if you want ss it will be much easier with the toy.

[illomatic]

Not tryin' to hijack the thread, but I'm thinking of doing the same thing too - DC on a hardtail. Which of these would go best?

[Rosscofat]

Um get le toy 3 if you want to go DC on a hardtail.. also If ANY of you can get your hands on a le toy 3 your better of.. Rocky cycle has 2 in stock brushed alumnium 1 large 1 small.. going for 899 :D last two there is in Mainland I belive.. unless someone else sells 24 bikes

[spookymilk]

for a DC fork get the Imperial, it's a sweet bike with a DC, if you go SC get the Toy.

[IFO]

LetoyIV, fo sho...

its just plain Pimp...

[hudsimtn]

ridden both. have the Evil. I would reccomend the Evil for sure. They are both wicked, but the Evil is the best feeling bike I've ridden. they're perfect on gaps and for freeride.

[The_Real_Yeti]

letoy 4 its just so badass:thepimp:

[Rosscofat]

go browse www.pinkbike.com photos sections and type in le toy IV or le toy 4.. and evil imperial.. now the le toy 4 JUST came out.. remeber that.. but just look at how some can be built up :D

[crashedupderby]

get a steel bike....new clif cats are steel...real!

[Tarpon]

Question for the Evil riders. Can you get the seat high enough to pedal well when climbing (i.e. can you realistically ride one up Fromme)?

Thanks.

[xy9ine]

ridden both. have the Toy. I would recomend the Toy for sure. They are both wicked, but the Toy is the best feeling bike I've ridden. they're perfect on gaps and for freeride.

...actually, they're both killer, versatile frames that handle big forks & trail use as well as street/dj. the evil seems to have a slightly steeper head angle, but the handling is otherwise simmilar.

[Tarpon]

Can you comment on the question I asked before your post.

Thanks.

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Tarpon
Question for the Evil riders. Can you get the seat high enough to pedal well when climbing (i.e. can you realistically ride one up Fromme)?

Thanks.

All depends on the post length and if you have an offset post chances are it may be a little far back but again, that depends on your stem then. You realistically could ride up fromme.

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

I'd take the Imperial any damn day.

I believe that the Evil was engineered for everything you could throw at it while the Tov IV is overly built since lacking in the FEA the Evil went through.

Either way, you'll like them.

[hudsimtn]

Originally posted by Tarpon
Question for the Evil riders. Can you get the seat high enough to pedal well when climbing (i.e. can you realistically ride one up Fromme)?

Thanks.

No problem, I do Fromme all the time with my Evil.

[Tarpon]

Thanks for the reply. I really like the frame but have been warned about the "seat down" focus of the geometry.

[xy9ine]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
I'd take the Imperial any damn day.

while the Tov IV is overly built

both frames weigh about the same (6 lbs) how would you construe the toy as being "overly built"? (and why would this be considered a bad thing??)

[hudsimtn]

Originally posted by xy9ine
both frames weigh about the same (6 lbs) how would you construe the toy as being "overly built"? (and why would this be considered a bad thing??)

I agree, if the Le Toy is "over built" then so is the imperial, and that is what makes them such good bikes, the fact that they aren't heavy underbuilt frames, like most of them out there.

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by xy9ine
both frames weigh about the same (6 lbs) how would you construe the toy as being "overly built"? (and why would this be considered a bad thing??)

Its definately not a bad thing. At all. I was just trying to imply that the Imperial to me seems to has more R&D into it. The Toy IV is just phat tubes with some stab primo/8 ball drop outs in my eyes. Not trying slag it, but I love my evil so most other things are trivial - I'm like Rossco with his Toy's except I'm all about the Evil :)

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Tarpon
Thanks for the reply. I really like the frame but have been warned about the "seat down" focus of the geometry.

I do believe the slack seat tube angle is so that taller riders can have a seat that works for them on aggresive hard tail. My friend is 6'3'ish roughly and his Toy III (size M or their large I think) is to small for him. Where as the Evils laid out geo would accomodate him / a taller rider.

I usually dont raise the seat unless there's a sustained climb ahead and even then with a DC it was easier to grind up in a high gear ratio out of the saddle.

[dw]

Originally posted by eddiebrannan
never tried a toy but the evil geometry doens't work for me, esp for gapping. it's very steep, and to my mnd calls for a longer travel dc fork, for use as a dh/trail/fr hardtail. try them both, of course, but that's my 2¢

Eddie

FYI,. the Letoy 3 and 4 actually have steeper geometry than the Imperial. By the numbers of course.

Like you said, try both and make a choice from there.

Dave

[Rosscofat]

GET A LE TOY 3 if u can insted of le toy 4 :D :D has normal headtube size.. :D and well I dunno its nice and cheeper :D

[spookymilk]

quit trying to advertise for your LBS Ross :P . I have to admit , Rocky has their shit together, if it werent for them I wouldn't be rdiding this season

[Rosscofat]

i didnt even say rocky im just saying get a le toy 3 :D, and dave is right about evil and him and le toy and me :D nothing else matters everything sucks compared to my bike and same for dave haha

[oryx]

@ Rosscofat, i would like to know wich size do you recommand for me, i'm 5'9'', i will ride my le toy iv with a boxxer, does a xl would be good for me ? thank at advance.

[Rosscofat]

GO for the XL.. im 5'6 and I rode the small and xl le toy 3's the large is much better for you with a boxxer :D remeber to get good head set with le toy 4.. not the conversion cups..

there is a new headset out that just turns 1.5 down to 1 1/8 without lil cups its jsut built in I saw it on a evil on a ride a while ago. :D

I think crane creek makes it?

[flowride]

I love the le toy bikes but eh evil bikes are all so very nice my overall pick is the le toy.

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
there is a new headset out that just turns 1.5 down to 1 1/8 without lil cups its jsut built in I saw it on a evil on a ride a while ago. :D

I think crane creek makes it?

Cane Creek Double XC and FSA should also make one.

When I worked at Rocky Cycle, Raceface *may* make a reducer headset. And RF has no plans to make hubs if anyone was wondering.

What I've done with my 1.5 headtube is run the stock reducer cups from Evil and a King Steelset :thepimp: nothing to worry about with that setup :D

[Rosscofat]

hmm sounds right I dunno this one jsut was built into the cups like it jsut shimmed down

[hudsimtn]

if you saw in vancouver, it was probably my Evil, FSA headset that reduces a 1.5 to a 1 1/8 but still uses the big headset bearings a 1.5 would. Model is the Orbit Extreme Pro Reducer, I don't think they even make it anymore, I got mine from FSA directly and it was there last one.

[Rosscofat]

blue evil? we rode on a urban im the guy with the le toy

[Rosscofat]

THERE IS 2 LE TOY 3 1 SMALL 1 LARGE AT ROCKY going for 899 I saw them today they are 01 and a 02 1 is a 02 FOR SURE... both brushed aluminum.. :D get em quick guys!!

[oryx]

can a toy iv can have an 8 inch rotor in the back ?

[hudsimtn]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
blue evil? we rode on a urban im the guy with the le toy

no black, different guy.

[big_hit_biker]

get the evil!

[Rosscofat]

yes le toy 4 can have 8" rotors it just needs a adaptor


2 le toy 3's left at rocky cycle for 899 :D