Concerning the ufc contest.

[inshane]

Well as most of you all know someone had found a backdoor on the raceface website containing all of the 16 videos in the contest.
I really wish that no one had found those videos.. :(

Let me get to the point. Some people took me seriously when I said "lets send them around the interweb" ect even thought I had written "sarcasm" beside it. People now think that im a big part of what happened and I am not. I in no way, had anything to do with finding those videos or posting the link on nsmb.
I did not and will not distribute the videos over the internet. I had nothing to do with what had happened.

Im just a fellow rider that had made a stupid post on the forums at the wrong time.
I know that ive now damaged my reputation and lost the respect from many of the people and companys that have taken part to bring us all this awsome contest. Ill have to live with that now.

One thing id like to ask is for everyone that had gotten their hands on those videos to PLEASE not distribute them around the internet. Dont send them to people on msn and dont post them on any other websites. Let raceface go along with their original plan. Each rider had taken alot of time to put these all together and send them in. There is a chance for one lucky rider to start a whole new life and career here. Please dont take that away from them. Please let everything go along as if nothing happened.

Im sincerely sorry for any grief ive cause you all.
Marshall Rutman at Raceface has worked to hard for everything to be ruined. Let this be the best UFC ever! :)

[drezy]

Originally posted by "inshane"
Well as most of you all know someone had found a backdoor on the raceface website containing all of the 16 videos in the contest.
I really wish that no one had found those videos.. :(

Let me get to the point. Some people took me seriously when I said "lets send them around the interweb" ect even thought I had written "sarcasm" beside it. People now think that im a big part of what happened and I am not. I in no way, had anything to do with finding those videos or posting the link on nsmb.
I did not and will not distribute the videos over the internet. I had nothing to do with what had happened.

Im just a fellow rider that had made a stupid post on the forums at the wrong time.
I know that ive now damaged my reputation and lost the respect from many of the people and companys that have taken part to bring us all this awsome contest. Ill have to live with that now.

One thing id like to ask is for everyone that had gotten their hands on those videos to PLEASE not distribute them around the internet. Dont send them to people on msn and dont post them on any other websites. Let raceface go along with their original plan. Each rider had taken alot of time to put these all together and send them in. There is a chance for one lucky rider to start a whole new life and career here. Please dont take that away from them. Please let everything go along as if nothing happened.

Im sincerely sorry for any grief ive cause you all.
Marshall Rutman at Raceface has worked to hard for everything to be ruined. Let this be the best UFC ever! :) Man, I think you're being a little hard on yourself. No respect lost here.

Personally, I didn't bother to watch the vids while they were up for that short period of time. Not fair to RF or the riders. But the first ones that came out were sweet. Plus, gotta love seeing a fellow PG boy rip it up.:D

[moogster]

Yeah shane it wasnt you who made that backdoor public in the first place..

you just jumped on it and made some fun of the guys thinkin it is cool to post those links ...me for one noticed the lil sarcasm in your post (well maybe because i been talkin to you on msn about it)

People should be bitching at the RF IT dude....if those vids are THAT secret.(its not even complicated to find them when you know what you're doin)...why did they upload them all at once anyways


If people think they have to hit on you just cause you made some fun (even if it may not have been obvious to everyone)

....then thats even more sad than the whole thing itself :rolleyes:

[_TAZ_SIMPSON_]

well, i never watched the UCF vids nor did i know that the 16 were up there. so, wat was the big deal? so they showed 16, then 4. i dont get it. my comp wont even let me watch the 4 UCF vids. i had to use my dads comp.

so wat was the big deal?

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by _TAZ_SIMPSON_
well, i never watched the UCF vids nor did i know that the 16 were up there. so, wat was the big deal? so they showed 16, then 4. i dont get it. my comp wont even let me watch the 4 UCF vids. i had to use my dads comp.

so wat was the big deal?

It ruins the whole point of having "rounds" of videos
they run 4 vids each week, pic the 4 best then you votefor the 4 best of those vids

if you see all 16 and u know who u want to win at the end you dont even bother looking at the other vids.. just vote for whoever your mouse clicks on.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by moogster
People should be bitching at the RF IT dude....if those vids are THAT secret.(its not even complicated to find them when you know what you're doin)...why did they upload them all at once anyways


Your logic is way off.

Would you bitch at a jewelery store that got robbed, because their diamonds were behind glass that was too thin?

WOuld you bitch at a home owner who just got robbed and got all his bikes jacked because they still had single pane windows that break easily?

Nobody should have done it in the first place, and they should not have shared them on-line.

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Your logic is way off.

Would you bitch at a jewelery store that got robbed, because their diamonds were behind glass that was too thin?

WOuld you bitch at a home owner who just got robbed and got all his bikes jacked because they still had single pane windows that break easily?

Nobody should have done it in the first place, and they should not have shared them on-line.

yeah, they should be able to store them online. But people now jsut cant leave stuff alone. It unbeliveable, its theft actaully the person STOLE racefaces videos. It amazing what some people steal these days :lol:
this weekend someone broke our truck window for a half eatin sub:rolleyes:

[moogster]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Your logic is way off.

Would you bitch at a jewelery store that got robbed, because their diamonds were behind glass that was too thin?

WOuld you bitch at a home owner who just got robbed and got all his bikes jacked because they still had single pane windows that break easily?

Nobody should have done it in the first place, and they should not have shared them on-line.

yeah thats a point of course.....and i didnt say i like the idea that in our fellow MTB community someone goes out and screws that contest just because he can....but hell it wasnt shane who did that and thats what i wanted to say....(at least his excuse almost makes it look like he was the one)

peace -moog

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by moogster
but hell it wasnt shane who did that and thats what i wanted to say....(at least his excuse almost makes it look like he was the one)

peace -moog


Good feeback.

For the record, nobody ever said it was him responsible for it.

[stuart@nsmb.com]

I actually think Moog has a point. I've worked for Internet companies for a number of years, and we've never uploaded anything that is in development to a public folder (which is what it sounds like happened).

Anyone with Web development experience should KNOW that you don't put up something you want to keep hidden - without password protection at the minimum. It's just a smart practice.

That isn't to say that the whole situation is any less unfortunate, but people (obviously) spend their time messing around looking for side doors. And I say side door because this doesn't even count as a back door if it was in a public folder / directory. I'd imagine that a little guessing with the naming conventions was all it took to uncover the folder.

With this much money at stake and being invested by the sponsors, somebody should be taking appropriate measures to protect the process and keep the sweet 16 under wraps. Or avoiding oversights like this, especially since this isn't the first time the contest has been run.

None of this excuses what happened, nor does it make it suck any less for all the people who worked their asses off to make a great vid, but I don't think anybody should be surprised that it did happen.

Just my $.02...

S / p

[.glib]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
*some analogies*
Ah, but would you not be mad at the security guard who was asleep when the bank that you're keeping your precious gems in gets robbed under his nose?

[corey@nsmb.com]

Good one.

I guess I just prefer to think of MTB'ers being a little more honest with each other, and would expect them to have the common sense to have some respect for the *only* contest out there that gives regular joe's a chance.

I guess in a way we earned the bank robber analogy, and that sucks.

[_TAZ_SIMPSON_]

Originally posted by DangerousDean
It ruins the whole point of having "rounds" of videos
they run 4 vids each week, pic the 4 best then you votefor the 4 best of those vids

if you see all 16 and u know who u want to win at the end you dont even bother looking at the other vids.. just vote for whoever your mouse clicks on.

aaaaahhhhh.....i wasent really paying attention cuz i was pissed that i couldent make a movie when i broke my arm.

[NickS]

I really dont think its that big of a deal, im still going to vote every week the same as i would have, It didn't change anything for me. I just like watching the videos also everybods great riders its cool to watch the videos. I think its the same for alot of other riders. Id be way more concerned over people making fake e mail adresses to post alot of votes. Its not hard to make one and for 25,000$ I think people would. I didn't think it was that big of a issue just keep voting there all great riders.

[that person]

i still think race face shouldnt count on the mtn bike community to have enough respect to leave the vids alone and not have anyone hack in, like its not only mtn bikers that can go to the race face site, any body can go there. who said it was some one from the riding community wh0o hacked in there? ya i know chances are it was but it could of been sum computer freek with nothing better to do.

[.glib]

Originally posted by that person
i still think race face shouldnt count on the mtn bike community to have enough respect to leave the vids alone and not have anyone hack in, like its not only mtn bikers that can go to the race face site, any body can go there. who said it was some one from the riding community wh0o hacked in there? ya i know chances are it was but it could of been sum computer freek with nothing better to do.
:lol: "hack" :lol:

[*GiMpY_jR*]

hey can some one post that "backdoor" link up???




KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!:eek: i didnt watch the vids or even see that "backdoor" link even if it was there i wouldnt watch it I dont give any dissrespect to you at leased you apologized you didnt "make" the thing or anything and what some one else said there should have been more protection on it or them not up at all...... EVERY ONE just keep watchn and voting !!!! 2nd round this FRIday!!:thepimp:

[OptionaL]

i'm confused though, you didn't do anything and you just made a harmless little post? it seems like you made it a big deal by yourself

fill me in if i'm missing something here, but.. it's just a message board where you posted an irrelevant post

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by NickS
I really dont think its that big of a deal, im still going to vote every week the same as i would have, It didn't change anything for me. I just like watching the videos also everybods great riders its cool to watch the videos. I think its the same for alot of other riders. Id be way more concerned over people making fake e mail adresses to post alot of votes. Its not hard to make one and for 25,000$ I think people would. I didn't think it was that big of a issue just keep voting there all great riders.

that is exactly how i see it to, im still gonna vote on them the same way as i was before. I just go to see 16 kick ass vids ahead of time, not gonna make me want someone to win just a little treat.

[m33p]

Who cares, it's a bogus contest with false rules and shitty video viewers. For $25000 you think they could at least format to wmp or something useful instead of dicktime.

[Loopie]

This is all news to me:eek:
I think the vids should be viewed in their proper order for sure.
Hopefully we'll get a link to DL all the clips AFTER the contest though...it's nice to have 'em:)

I blows my mind they are running the voting this way again.

[damian]

As others have said... I see how its wrong, but my vote is unchanged even if I seen them.

[.glib]

Originally posted by OptionaL
i'm confused though, you didn't do anything and you just made a harmless little post? it seems like you made it a big deal by yourself

fill me in if i'm missing something here, but.. it's just a message board where you posted an irrelevant post
Seems like by seeming to endorse it, he may have gotten some flak from sponsors and such and hurt his professional image. Probably not aired here on the forums, but it looks like he got it in some form.

[shorebiker]

aw no respect lost for ya shane, i still give ya mad props! :) i hope this ufc ends really well too, its cool to see companies layin it down to get some new faces in the sport

[well ridden]

its really easy to find them and i am not that good on computers.


race face shouldnt even put them on





none of the videos work on my comp anyway

[Shmoe]

Does it really matter? The vids are free anyway. People are still going to vote when the time comes. :???:

I never even saw the vids btw..

[tashi]

I downloaded the vids, and now I can make the window that I watch them in bigger. Because of this I can now watch them with greater scrutiny and therefore, when I vote, I will be making a better choice than if I watched the pinner video available off of raceface's website. This really, in my view, makes this contest better, not worse.

Someone's still going to win 25g's, he's still going to deserve it, and isn't that what riding is all about? Winning money?

[J dot]

UFC = ruined.
that = lame

[|2ipper]

i blame you complete shane :rolleyes:

[mudpuppy]

I too think that the net adminshould be at fault for this. It is very basic that if you leave something out, not protected in any way it will be taken. That was a rookie mistake on RF's side......

I heard about it but have been too busy to care.....sure I would love the vids....but really would not search them out. I do not see how this would "ruin" the UFC. We all know who the riders are and when they are going to come on.....we can't get in and vote early....

Inshane....not your fault.....who knows if it werent for you these vids might have been out there longer....you did them a service man.:D

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by mudpuppy
I too think that the net adminshould be at fault for this.


I'm going to think a little more abstract and blame the person who spent their free time toying with the site to get the videos, and who then went out of their way to make their find public across mtb forums.

I don't see how you can fault RF for that. They probably didn't waste any time securing it as they probably didn't expect people to bother screwing with a contest for THEM.

This argument is tired. Obviously some people don't see any problem with what happened, and somehow feel comfortable blaming RF for someone else's actions.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing about it.

[mudpuppy]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
I'm going to think a little more abstract and blame the person who spent their free time toying with the site to get the videos, and who then went out of their way to make their find public across mtb forums.

I don't see how you can fault RF for that. They probably didn't waste any time securing it as they probably didn't expect people to bother screwing with a contest for THEM.

This argument is tired. Obviously some people don't see any problem with what happened, and somehow feel comfortable blaming RF for someone else's actions.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing about it.


But really as an Admin it is YOUR job to make sure it is not going to happen and that your site is secure. Human nature what it is dictates that if you leave it out...someone will find it and show it off. And as a Admin I would feel terrible if I was the one responsible for this. I am not saying that the person who found them is not at fault...they are, but really when you are setting up something like that, and you don’t secure it properly you are asking for problems.

Not arguing here....just telling you how I see it...we are allowed to view things different, it is one of the things that makes life interesting.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Admins and police are not responsible for theft. Thieves are.

It may be a lesson for RF to have less faith in their UFC audience, but in no way is it their fault.

Who should feel bad, really? RF or the jackass who made his find public?

Look beyond the fruity "I'm an intra-web ace and people should be prepared for me" and look at the bottom line. The responsibility lies soley in the hands of the person who made their find public.

[MDR]

Yo everyone. Marshall, here from Race Face. Just thought I’d chime in on this one. First off, I’m really stoked that you’re all digging the UFC this year. This is a contest for you guys so I’m happy to see you all getting involved – especially in the voting process.

Now, to the posts. I put all videos online since I give access to key media contacts, such as Cam, so they can prepare reviews of the vids before they come online. I agree with the posters that security could and should have been tighter and this has definitely been an eye opener for us. Still though, I disagree that we are to blame - leaving a door unlocked doesn’t give people a right to come into our house and steal our shit.

In any case, I know a couple people have talked about the contest being “ruined”. Just want to put things into perspective here. I’ve checked our web stats and have a pretty good idea of how many people have viewed the videos from future rounds. It’s a very, very small number, despite how it appears in this board. We’re talking a fraction of 1% of total participants in the contest so really, it’s insignificant. Plus, it ain’t just about watching the videos. It’s about making your voice heard, choosing a rider and finding out if they advance. All that is still to come.

Before moving on, I just want to throw a thanks out to all those who had an opportunity to view the videos and chose not to. A bigger thanks goes to those who notified the moderator to take down the links.

That’s it folks – enjoy the rest of the contest!

Marshall Rutman
Marketing Manager
Race Face Performance Products

[Chump]

Shane we don't hate you and I know you didn't send the videos everywhere.

I am sure your reputation is not as bad as mine. One word CBC, I applogised too. Good to see a big man can say sorry. :D

Steve

[moogster]

Originally posted by MDR
Still though, I disagree that we are to blame - leaving a door unlocked doesn’t give people a right to come into our house and steal our shit.




thats right and its a shame people will do when they are given the chance.....

here in germany you can even get a ticket for leaving your car doors open cause it makes it easier for people to steal it...(the car...not the door;)

can't wait for the next round of voting

cheers moogster

[inshane]

Originally posted by MDR
Yo everyone. Marshall, here from Race Face. Just thought I’d chime in on this one. First off, I’m really stoked that you’re all digging the UFC this year. This is a contest for you guys so I’m happy to see you all getting involved – especially in the voting process.

Now, to the posts. I put all videos online since I give access to key media contacts, such as Cam, so they can prepare reviews of the vids before they come online. I agree with the posters that security could and should have been tighter and this has definitely been an eye opener for us. Still though, I disagree that we are to blame - leaving a door unlocked doesn’t give people a right to come into our house and steal our shit.

In any case, I know a couple people have talked about the contest being “ruined”. Just want to put things into perspective here. I’ve checked our web stats and have a pretty good idea of how many people have viewed the videos from future rounds. It’s a very, very small number, despite how it appears in this board. We’re talking a fraction of 1% of total participants in the contest so really, it’s insignificant. Plus, it ain’t just about watching the videos. It’s about making your voice heard, choosing a rider and finding out if they advance. All that is still to come.

Before moving on, I just want to throw a thanks out to all those who had an opportunity to view the videos and chose not to. A bigger thanks goes to those who notified the moderator to take down the links.

That’s it folks – enjoy the rest of the contest!

Marshall Rutman
Marketing Manager
Race Face Performance Products
Im glad everything is ok :)
Possibly next time make those other movies password protected or something so this never happens again?
Once again Marshall, thanks for putting on such a rad contest :)

[BiG D]

Originally posted by mudpuppy
But really as an Admin it is YOUR job to make sure it is not going to happen and that your site is secure. Human nature what it is dictates that if you leave it out...someone will find it and show it off. And as a Admin I would feel terrible if I was the one responsible for this. I am not saying that the person who found them is not at fault...they are, but really when you are setting up something like that, and you don’t secure it properly you are asking for problems.

Not arguing here....just telling you how I see it...we are allowed to view things different, it is one of the things that makes life interesting.

Agree 100% with everything you have said.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by BiG D
Agree 100% with everything you have said.


Would you share those sentiments if you were a systems Admin in the real world?

Pretend you were, and it was you job. Would you feel the same way if some nerd spent days on end finding holes in your work, and one day succeeded? Let's say that because, as you agreed it is the Admin's fault, you get tossed out of your job that you've held and enjoyed for 5 years, because someone found a hole in your work. Would you still feel the same way?

[BiG D]

Well it would be MY fault if I was in their position.
There was absolutely no attempt at hiding the videos from the public, besides not creating a link to the videos directly.
If someone found a hole in my work I would not be doing my job, would I?
Of course I would not feel good about loosing a job but the decision is held up the employer.
If I was say, the systems administrator at a bank and some "nerd" spent days on end finding holes in my work, and one day succeded... would you feel as bad?

[sAFETY]

Can someone please explain to me how the contest is any way comprimised due to the premature viewing of a few of the videos by a fraction of the total voting community?

It's not as if the voting mechanism itself was comprimised, so the only possible ramification on the process that I can imagine is that those who saw the videos ahead of time will be less likely to vote when the time comes (because there would be less reason to return to the site after they'd seen all the videos).

So is everyone worried that the votes of a few opportunists of questionable integrity will be missing in the final count? What's the problem with that? If anything it INcreases the contests integrity.

This isn't a case of stealing as it is commonly inderstood. RF does not profit directly from the publishing of these videos (ie payed content), they use it for marketing, so no revenue is lost from this incident (unlike in the very poor example of diamonds being stolen), and RF is still in possesion of them, unlike a physical theft. If anything, this event could be turned in to something more promotional. We're all talking the contest online over and above the videos themselves right now aren't we?


No monetary loss to the RF company or any of their affiliates in the contest
A voting process that's integrity was not only uncomprimised, but possibly improved
Increased discussion and general awareness of the site due to the incident
And most importantly, the videos are still there and speak for themselves. A superior video will be a superior video on the 1st AND subsequent viewings


Now what's the problem again?

For the record, I am registered for the contest and have voted in round 1, and I only heard about this breach after it had been resolved.

[duncs05]

It isnt the admins fault in any way...im with corey on this. raceface made a simple mistake, im sure they didnt think of using a more secure place for the videos, as they shouldnt have to. People should have more respect for a competition like this. There is always going to be people that will have no time on their hands and they will do something disrespectful like that but they shouldnt then go and post the videos all over the internet to spoil the competition for the riders that are involved and the people that are voting and really excited for the upcoming weeks with the new riders.

[BiG D]

Originally posted by duncs05
It isnt the admins fault in any way...im with corey on this. raceface made a simple mistake, im sure they didnt think of using a more secure place for the videos, as they shouldnt have to. People should have more respect for a competition like this. There is always going to be people that will have no time on their hands and they will do something disrespectful like that but they shouldnt then go and post the videos all over the internet to spoil the competition for the riders that are involved and the people that are voting and really excited for the upcoming weeks with the new riders.

Would those who downloaded the videos not be as guilty as the one who posted them in the first place?

[mudpuppy]

As a net tech you have secure your shit. It would have been easy to set up a password system for the media people. I don't think it right to go snooping but as a net guy I know you have make it secure...people can't be trusted in that situation, yes I would like to think that we as bikers would all be good...but we are all people.....and people are always seeking what is forbidden. I can see both sides of the story, both Cory and Gandi make great points, but I am just saying that to think that just because many people think that RF is doing this for mountain bikers, that we as a collective group are saints and care about the sport is really naive. There are always bad apples….people that cut switchbacks or tear down stunts that are too hard for them…or litter on trails and trailheads. Also to think that that RF is doing this for “US”….well yes in a way but it REALLY gets their name out and is a hell of a marketing tool for them.

As I said before I did not look at the videos…nor did I want to. I do not think that this will really affect the UFC at all. It is unfortunate that it happened….but again….it’s more publicity for RF……hmmmmmmm…..

[Brad Dawg]

To sum this all up:

SHANE
CHUMPIWISKY
NSMB
and/or Race Face


ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!

[BOUCH]

whens round 2 go up?

[BiG D]

today foo

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by BiG D
today foo

but what timeee

[switch]

I was too late to see the links for the videos, but I would have liked to, from a technical aspect.

The analogy of a bank robbery is not valid. A better analogy would be along the lines of window shopping at night and being able to see what's inside the store and not just what's in the storefront. The information published by Race Face on their web site is in the public realm. They could have used a secure mechanism to enforce access, but they didn't even do that. The best security would have to not put the videos on their public site at all. After that, a secure login area would have been significantly better, and SUPER EASY to implement. So many companies use secure login areas on their sites that, from a security/technical perspective, I find it boggling that Race Face didn't do that.

But is the contest ruined? I don't believe so at all. I'm sure there are a lot of people who had previewed all the videos before the competition, and now there are a few more.


Oh, and Shane, it was obvious to me that you were joking. :)

[inshane]

thank you all for understanding :)