are u interested in other mtb flicks?

[counterpoint]

Every store has all the Canadian staple free-ride videos and a few carry Thor Wixom's stuff. We are lucky because most of these videos don't carry duty prices and you can get Digger's/ROTZ/MPF/Torque/BITS videos for under $28CDN. You pay more for NWD and Kranked because of the budget factor.

Here's the question...would you pay more for good overseas vids? Drift II (australia) and Earthed (UK) are amazing race videos (some freeride) with riders you don't see too much of (kovarik/rando/hill etc). But those videos would sell from $35-39. Is there a market for those vids here? Thanks.

[Scarface]

Originally posted by counterpoint
Every store has all the Canadian staple free-ride videos and a few carry Thor Wixom's stuff. We are lucky because most of these videos don't carry duty prices and you can get Digger's/ROTZ/MPF/Torque/BITS videos for under $28CDN. You pay more for NWD and Kranked because of the budget factor.

Here's the question...would you pay more for good overseas vids? Drift II (australia) and Earthed (UK) are amazing race videos (some freeride) with riders you don't see too much of (kovarik/rando/hill etc). But those videos would sell from $35-39. Is there a market for those vids here? Thanks.

I think it depends on the level of riding..I mean ya even if the riding wasnt as good there will be the odd buyers that buy the movie from curiocity..etc
But if the riding in it is simply just racing or, park riding that desnt necisairly exceed the riding levels of Canadian and American videos, I dont think there will be much of a market for them.
It's just like movies, you rarely see films from other countries showing in Canadian or the American theatres; its definately not a good trend because were simply enclosing our selves in our little world, but it also works that way because the best stuff comes out of North America, Im sure that can easily be changed in the world of sports...well just have to wait and see

[counterpoint]

cho, you get movies for free - what do you care?:D

[Battlecat]

I agree with Cho.

I dont care where the movie is from jsut as long as its a good movie.

If it is a bad movie for 25$ from here and a awsome movie for 40$ from europe of autralia i will spend the 40$

It is all about what is in the movie and how much i would enjoy it.:D

[ryan]

I won't spend 40$....

I wish I could give the support, but I can't justify dropping that much.

[bullit_kid]

I would love to see Drift and Earthed but if they are gonna be big $$ then i wont buy.

[DaveM]

I definately would not pay more. I don't even like shelling out extra for the Kranked films because I think all that special effect stuff is garbage. I want to see bikes flying through the air, not video games. I like the homegrown style best.

Now I did fork out the money for the Drop In DVD, but we're talking 10 hours of action, plus those boys need the support.

[GRIZZ]

$40 for DVD..sure i would buy it..not for a VHS though.

[IFO]

i' pony up for a 40$ foreign import DVD... but it had better be good...

its not so much the cost as it is the "unknown" factor of buying a video i dont know about....

i think there was a Aussie or a English/Scotish DH/freeride video/DVD i wanted but i cant remeber what it was....

import that one, haahhhah:rolleyes:

[counterpoint]

I think you are talking about Earthed. That is getting alot of hype. I watched Drift II last night and it really got me stoked to ride fast - all Oz and they have some amazing DH runs. These overseas guys really focus on DH though and I am wondering if that will go over so well in the "free-ride capital of the world".

IFO - you usually have good insight into vids - i would be interested in letting you see a sneak peak and hearing what you have to say.

[Tool]

Originally posted by counterpoint


IFO - you usually have good insight into vids - i would be interested in letting you see a sneak peak and hearing what you have to say.

I'm sure if you hooked him up with doing reviews he wouldn't have a problem with it;)

[IFO]

i'd for sure love to give out some "neutral-biased" feedback...

let me know... im always up for watchnig some bike vids...

:thepimp:

p.s. not to mention the fact i own about 95% of ALL mtnbike vids...


:eek:

and i LOVE DH race footage...in fact threre isnt enuf of it over here...

Warwick's Circus was def. right on track in that regard... sadly Rise wasnt so much....:(

i had higher hopes for Rise...:mad:

also im still waiting for Thor's PlushII... which evidently got delayed....:(

[well ridden]

i wouldnt

[t-town dirt jumper]

speaching of vids... john cowans higher learning vid is the bigest rip off i have ever bough... 35 bucks because in the reviews it said that it would teach things like flips, wips, 360 x-ups, etc. and all that it showed in that pease was how to eat shit doing a tailwhip and then some lower end tricks like no handers and no footer... i want to say screw u john cowan that vid sucked.

so yes this means that you should not buy "higher learning" because you would be far beter off buying urself some new hoots pads or durable idun clothes so that you can try ur new tricks out without hurting your body and ur parents money:P

[trail worker]

Originally posted by davet
...because I think all that special effect stuff is garbage. I want to see bikes flying through the air, not video games. I like the homegrown style best.

damn straight.thats why the only videos i'd think of buying are teh NSX series...i like diggers style.all shore stuff,too...i ride the shore,and similiar trails...so therefore thats what gets me stoked to ride.i don't like watching guys rip down sand dunes halfway across the world.just doesn't do it for me.
and another thing...i've had enough of dirtjumping in movies.i watch BMX videos where they make MTB guys look they should still have training wheels on their bikes...it's sad.

[IFO]

Originally posted by trail worker

and another thing...i've had enough of dirtjumping in movies.i watch BMX videos where they make MTB guys look they should still have training wheels on their bikes...it's sad.

PREACH it brother....

:D

[trail worker]

Originally posted by IFO
PREACH it brother....

:D
you know i'm really worked up when i say

"and another thing"
thats a true sign i'm about to start ranting and raving.of course,this is an internet forum so i can't type fast enough to get the point across.:(

[Scarface]

Originally posted by counterpoint
cho, you get movies for free - what do you care?:D


That was just my opinion but, I mean I dont get every movie free, I still buy other flicks for my self and for gifts an support the people out there.
But, i mean racing will sell but only a small majority of the large riding population out there will actually fully appriciate the racing, just becase viewers dont realize how technical some of the lines are and the skills that it takes, but the rest of the less appriciative population will kinda sit there and maybe even get bored. Even 4 cross is exciting but you cant have it for too long just bcaseu its racing and every thing is i guess predictable,
people want to be surprised wiht inventive lines thats why freeriding in general is more fun to watch than any kind of MTB racing, sometimes its the otherway around but just as an average Freeriding is more fun to watch.

[IFO]

i hear you Trailworker...

althou im sure Dj's are fun to do, adn those that partake must enjoy the shit outa their time digging and jumping...

for a MTB vid it just plain makes for some boring footage...i've seen enuf guys going up adn down DJ 6-packs to last a life time....

:zzz:

[Crazy Canuck]

What Mountain biking needs is a "Road Fools" type of vid.

I must admit, a lot of the MTB vids are pretty played out for style. (most of them have no style)

just my 2 cents

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by IFO
i hear you Trailworker...

althou im sure Dj's are fun to do, adn those that partake must enjoy the shit outa their time digging and jumping...

for a MTB vid it just plain makes for some boring footage...i've seen enuf guys going up adn down DJ 6-packs to last a life time....

:zzz:

and for other hucking your meat is as exciting as watching paint dry ..

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by trail worker
i've had enough of dirtjumping in movies.i watch BMX videos where they make MTB guys look they should still have training wheels on their bikes...it's sad.

:rolleyes:

[trail worker]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
:rolleyes:
baha,watch most BMX videos out there...there are not a whole lot of MTBers who are doing things like saran wraps, frontflips, backflips etc etc on mountain bikes. i'm not saying MTB'ers dont do them,it's just that these tricks were thrown down by BMX'ers wearing neon green pants in the early 90's..almost 15 years ago.

its nice to see the sport progressing,and hitting DJ's is fun,but i don't like watcing it in videos.

i personally find it funny when guys started doing backflips on a MTB...BMXers did them years ago,it's old technology..kinda like purple barends are to MTBing.

[trail worker]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
and for other hucking your meat is as exciting as watching paint dry ..
watching people huck there meat is like watcing paint dry.it's boring as hell.
i like the technical stuff lines in videos,and the progressive camera angles...i'm blown away by some of the angles out htere.

[IFO]

Originally posted by trail worker
watching people huck there meat is like watcing paint dry.it's boring as hell.
i like the technical stuff lines in videos,and the progressive camera angles...i'm blown away by some of the angles out htere.

exactly...

theres a section in NWDIV or Kranked V (i cant remeber offhand) its a super closeup of T. Vanderham doing a hip off the wallride @whitla's boneyard...

the angles/and camera work are incredible...not to mention the clarity of the shot....

you can see both the rider/bike moving about dongi their respective jobs...

its a super pimp shot, but its only like a second or 2 long...

stuff liek that is what makes for a great film...u take those memories away.....:thepimp:

Warwicks "Circus" also has some similar shots that truely give u some apreciation of what the top-level riders are capable of....

another great example of fricken nice camera work is in RTTH, during Dave Watsons section, he does this amazing "accelerated corner" where by he not only manhandles the bike throu like a 90degree corner but he also stomps on the gas /lifts the frtend up at teh same time...

its a AWESOME shot...and a very :thepimp: move....

[Anderson_Bros]

mtb. videos are boaring for a single reason i think, we, here in bc live so close to the forefront of freeride and see practically everything before it comes out on video, u know what i mean, like some one will do this amazingly big gap or land the first "blank" trick on an mtb and we see it in pics and teasers and it all a let down when u finally see the video. That beng said there still is alot of good mtb. footage but i think film makers should maybe take some time off, like u dont need to make a new movie every year, not enough has changed since the last to make it much different

[inshane]

Originally posted by counterpoint
cho, you get movies for free - what do you care?:D
hahah so true
when was the last time cho??? I cant remember the last time i did...

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by trail worker
baha,watch most BMX videos out there...there are not a whole lot of MTBers who are doing things like saran wraps, frontflips, backflips etc etc on mountain bikes. i'm not saying MTB'ers dont do them,it's just that these tricks were thrown down by BMX'ers wearing neon green pants in the early 90's..almost 15 years ago.

why does it matter when the trick was first done GREAT.

Originally posted by trail worker
i personally find it funny when guys started doing backflips on a MTB...BMXers did them years ago,it's old technology


how is that funny ?

[MaxPowers]

Originally posted by IFO

and i LOVE DH race footage...in fact threre isnt enuf of it over here...

earthed!!!!!!!!!!

[alexh]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
What Mountain biking needs is a "Road Fools" type of vid.

I must admit, a lot of the MTB vids are pretty played out for style. (most of them have no style)

just my 2 cents

:idea: werd.

[DaveM]

Originally posted by trail worker


its nice to see the sport progressing,and hitting DJ's is fun,but i don't like watcing it in videos.



I usually just fast forward through them. Unless it's someone like Berrecloth doing something outrageous, I find it boring to watch (on video anyways), I did find it more interesting at the Bike Expo though, could be I was just waiting for the carnage.

I can never get tired of watching Simmons flow a trail, it just doesn't get any better than that.

[trail worker]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
why does it matter when the trick was first done GREAT.



how is that funny ?

It doesnt really matter when it was done first,but you have to admit(and i'm sorry to say this)...you have to be daft to think that a pro BMXer doesn't have style that just about every pro MTBer lacks.MTB riders are getting there in terms of DJ's,but it's just taking a while.On the other hand,it's safe to say that a MTB will slay a BMX on a shore trail...make sense?of course it does..you simply can't ride a rigid bike with 20 inch wheels on the shore trails.wouldn't happen.

Personally, I find it funny because when guys started doing backflips on a mountain bike,everybody was buzzing about it,but in reality,it was an old trick tought to a newer dog.In retrospect,it probably isn't all that funny...

it's just my opinion...i'm sure if you weren't so into dirtjumps you wouldn't be so defensive on this topic.

I just find something monotenous about hte whole affair when i'm watching them in videos.Guys like berrecloth/donahue/alot of the guys like yourself are pushing DJ'ing into a great place in MTBing...it's honestly nice to see.

It's just not my thing,end of discussion.

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by trail worker
.

It's just not my thing,end of discussion.

mhmm

but shore on a bmx ive seen twice :???:

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by trail worker
baha,watch most BMX videos out there...there are not a whole lot of MTBers who are doing things like saran wraps, frontflips, backflips etc etc on mountain bikes. i'm not saying MTB'ers dont do them,it's just that these tricks were thrown down by BMX'ers wearing neon green pants in the early 90's..almost 15 years ago.


Watching non stop BIG AIR tricks is boring to watch. Watching someone FLOW some jumps with some styley tricks makes it good to watch.

[snortpickle]

Hrmm I like things like Run For your Life (just got II) and killing time. They are about riding bikes and having fun. They're not afraid to mix it up, be it on 20" or the big bikes.

As far as the "BMX has done it all, give it up already"-thing, I feel that's a played out way of shitting on someone's parade. I'm mostly noticing this style of prissy whining from ex-bigbike riders who "discovered" BMX after riding MTB street for a while.

What I'm seeing is a hybrid movement, where trials, mtb and bmx influenced riding come together in a new school of riding. This is what we're seeing in the new school of 24" oriented street frames, where long toptubes come together with BMX influenced street ruggedness. I think to just flag MTB street riders (for lack of a better term) off as BMX wannabees is highly disrespectful to the people pushing the bar. You have take into account the platform used to perform a certain trick. Who gives a rats ass if it's an "old" thing, as long as it's pushing the boundaries of what's possible on this new platform of street and park. Street riding takes on many forms, and I've never heard a real BMX rider whine about anyone pushing it on two wheels. So yeah we're evolving, and so what if we're behind. This isn't a competition is it?

[blinded]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
What Mountain biking needs is a "Road Fools" type of vid.

I must admit, a lot of the MTB vids are pretty played out for style. (most of them have no style)

just my 2 cents

I think dropin tried to copy that style. Big bus, a bunch of riders from all over, etc. etc.

MTB dirt jumping is sweet to watch, so is BMX dirt jumping, but there are a few things holding MTB back.

John Cowan / Timo and their backflips.
I just saw NWD4 not too long ago, and I was very dissapointed in the dirt jump section. It is lame watching Cowan do backflips in slow motion over and over again. It is the fourth video, at least change it up a bit? I thought NWD1 dirt jump section was awesome just because the jumps weren't massive but they were at least doing different tricks.

Kill the backflip. Die. As soon as we can kick some of the bigger guns off the pedestal and let the younger/more innovative people have a go at the spotlight, people will see that MTB dirt jumping is pretty sweet. Look at the bombenkrater guys, they can make a video and spread it for free that blows any of the 16mm videos away. (at least in the dirt jump aspect)
Back in the Saddle had a sweet youth section with some rad jumping. I think filmers should step it up and look for better trails and more flowing jumps. It is just not fun to watch Cowan huck himself off another 50 foot gap and do a backflip in the process.

[SIDESHOW]

this is a great thread, I have never been huge on the whole DJ/street thing, but the people wanna see it, so you will see more in our video than before, it will still be mostly young bucks but it's gotta be in there these days, thankfully we have a couple MTB only sections( see: Confessions of a Delirious Mind article).

Myself I've been digging it lately, something new. Putting a little spark back into my riding. As for the race footie we sold it all to Digger( see his last vid- oh yeah that was us)........so no race stuff in BitS 2, good thing there are so many good race vids coming out. Nobody does it like us...........and as for the Road Fools thing we may do it this summer, I am just working out a format that would cater best to what we do, no need to copy the BMX yoyoyos..........Drop In is cool and all but we have some cool ideas to tighten it up a bit.

[IFO]

looking forward to seeing Bits2...Corey...

any idea of a premiere date yet??? how far off are you !!!!!

the original Bits premeire was a good time....:beer:

[barry]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
mhmm

but shore on a bmx ive seen twice :???:
and i've seen mtb in skateparks twice times a hundred...

truth is julien speaks his opinions, and you yours. the best part is when people get pissy cuz somone is voicing their opinions, which gets interpreted as shunning their aspect of the sport.

as long as you roll on 2 wheels, its all the same in the end...

[trail worker]

Originally posted by Barry
truth is julien speaks his opinions, and you yours. the best part is when people get pissy cuz somone is voicing their opinions, which gets interpreted as shunning their aspect of the sport.

as long as you roll on 2 wheels, its all the same in the end...
exactly