SFU?

[Lady Gravity]

k...so..someone nuked the thread about building on sfu - it was getting a little heated, yes, however...

you "up and coming" builders need to realize that building on SFU is pretty much a no no...are you going to ruin it for the rest of us? are your inconsiderate and thoughtless actions going to cause the city to dismantle and bulldoze the trails on SFU? it's pretty clear the city will tolerate no new trail building.

please think carefully. i and many others would be pretty disappointed if that happened, specially since my bf is the one that was involved in building many of the existing trails.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Thanks Judy.

I waxed that thread. You can thank Mr. urban-rider for getting WAY out of line and blowing it for everyone else.

Everyone needs to use sensibility and prioritize their work so it has the greatest good for everyone.

Building in a politically hot-spot for you and 5 of your bros is irresponsible and ignorant. It risks blowing a riding location that has been a 'legend" to some degree since before the people causing this problem were born.

It's awesome you guys are stoked to build, and your creativity will make for great trails for all of us. You just need to be responsible about it, and not do it ina way, or in a location, that jeopardizes a popular riding spot that is always under scrutiny.

SFU is not Fromme. It is never going to be a "free-ride" trail network. It has always been more of an XC oriented , natural trail network. The majority of the users are there for that very reason. It is unfair to go in and build on trails for a handful of people when it is ruining what exists for the majority.

There are lots of places to build the things you want to build. Don't let the personal convenience for you building there ruin the trails and risk closing the trails for the hundreds of other users.




If you like to built, join the nsmba. They can help you learn to do it right, and teach you a lot about the politics associated with trails and trail access.

[pete]

i have no problem with you nuking threads i just find the tallys funny

corey: 150+ threads nuked

all other mods:10

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by pete
i have no problem with you nuking threads i just find the tallys funny

corey: 150+ threads nuked

all other mods:10


I respond to complaints. If I left half of the stuff I nuke on the bards, our boards would suffer from quality related issues.

Bottom Line: Nobody wants to read garbage threads. If it means I nuke a lot of them, I'm cool with that.

I guess we all have varying degrees of patience.

:)

[synchro]

Nuketron for Prime Minister!

I think a lot of the newer riders need to discover the fun in riding natural trails. Not everything has to be built up to be fun. If you really want some challenging stuff head out to Cypress. IMHO the 'Chainsaw Massacre' was in some aspects a good thing. It's sad that a lot of great building was lost, but I don't think Cypress would be the gem that it is today if there were lots of built up structures everywhere. Knowing that built stuff will get knocked down has forced the builders there to find great natural lines and features on the mountian. Natural is good.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Natural rules.

I get more enjoyment from finding natural lines, natural jumps, etc than I do from riding built stuff.

Of course I love built up stuff, but my real preference is natural flowing trails and using the existing trail features to spice things up.

Cypress is far and away my favourite mtn on the Shore.

Mark, we gotta do a ride sometime!

[sarts]

This issue on Burnaby Mountain is serious. People need to be aware of these issues. I thought this was a good forum for discussion. Confussed why it was waxed? Let people get heated at least we are drawing attention to a seriuos issue.

[DaveM]

It got waxed because one of the little punks that built up there came to defend himself in typical 15 year old manner, and got out of hand flaming anyone who didn't feel he had some honorary right to do whatever he wants to do.

I believe one of his questions was "What are you guys, over 30?"

Well yes some of us are, that's why we know what responsibility is. (I'm not saying that pre-30 people don't know responsibility)

I'd really like the fine folks at NSMB reveil the identities of these guys to the city of Burnaby so we all don't feel the effects of their immaturity. Let the City of Burnaby sue their mommy's and daddy's for the damage they've done and for the costs of removing it. That should take care of illegal building for awhile.

[shorerat]

ok guys heres an update from the boys at work. "911" Got ripped out for many reasons. I know im beating this issue to death so please bare with me.
Issue 1 : Nailing into live trees. Does not go over well with the city planners and much of the public
Issue 2 : Shotty building. If a stunt cannot support the weight of a 200 lb person than that could be a problem
Issue 3 : Liability. If someone tries a stunt on this trail and gets messed than that becomes a problem for the city.

I love riding and I love burnaby mountain. I appreciate the efoorts put forth by all builders and I don't want to see your efforts getting thrown into the back of our trucks. What i've seen get torn out was very creative stuff and I hope you can carry on that creativity, just on a mountain where it won't get pulled as soon as it gets spotted by an angry citizen.

[that person]

k sorry these trails apear on bby mtn but god, i think some of you totally over reacted. bby mtn is not gonna totally get torn down because of that trail, these kind of trails have bin going on up there by the same ppl for a few years now, some i doubt any of you ever stumbled across or knew about. i think it was 7 were made over the last few years and all that any of you knew about was flying ostrich and now this one when it was in its final days. 911 was determined to be the last trail on burnaby tho even b4 its construction, so you wont have to worry about that anymore. urban-riders last posts were a little stong but he spoke what he thot, he didnt have anything to do with construction, just rode it once and was mad when he heard it was gone and came on here and saw a bunch of ppl flamin it. the next peice of work tho will be somthing to see, not on burnaby mtn tho so get off my back about that! and phelonius who the hell are you? ide just like to see you try and report me to the city! and wasnt it you who built that stuff on mells which was also torn out by the city?

[Phelonius]

and wasnt it you who built that stuff on mells which was also torn out by the city?

Wrong again, but thanks for coming out. I was the one who took the crappy stunt down.

I don't build anything on SFU, I've only done some maintenance on whats allready there.

[ATN]

To me, SFU seems to be like the best last minute group ride destination. Bus accessible from everywhere... and not too far of a ride either. It's something different that does not need to be changed.

Secret trails get found no matter which way around it...

[|2ipper]

^ i agree with atn, Burnaby has always been that way. I think that its the place everyone goes to test out their new bikes, that what i did with my new bike.

[switch]

It's too bad that so many people who want to work on a trail are compelled to create stunts. What's wrong with doing basic stuff, like drainage, ladders over sensitive areas, rocking in eroding sections, etc?

I think there's too much emphasis on building tricks & traps, and not enough on trail maintenance. And it is trail maintenance, after all, that is going to allow the sport to continue.

Wanna build a high skinny or a kicker, do it in your back yard. Wanna work on Nicole's - help stop the erosion and keep the trail flowing like it was obviously meant to be.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by that person
k sorry these trails apear on bby mtn but god, i think some of you totally over reacted. bby mtn is not gonna totally get torn down because of that trail, these kind of trails have bin going on up there by the same ppl for a few years now,


The issue is simple and you and your crew are ignoring it.

Burnaby does not want to see built stunts on SFU. When they do see them, they have to pay crews to go and remove them.

Each time you guys put up a stunt on one of your "secret trails" (which contrary to your belief, are not "secret" by any means), you cause Burnaby to send in people to remove it.

Each time they do so, it draws a red flag to that riding spot. That riding spot (SFU) has and remains to be a bit of a "hot spot" in regards to riding and access.

What you are going to do by continuing to ignore the real issues by being so defensive, is put an area enjoyed by thousands (who are not 15 year old kids looking for skinnies and drops) at risk for closure.

You say it won't lead to that....How do you figure? You guys put in secret trails to hide them...that shows you know you should no be doing it.

SFU is not a "Free Ride" mountain, and it never will be. Your efforts to make it that way put the area at risk for everyone else. It is selfish and thoughtless to act otherwise.

You guys are stoked to build. I applaud that and your creativity. There is more to building than stunts, there is a political aspect you have to address aswell, which you are beginning to learn about. If you want to succeed, listen to the experienced voices and learn.

You don't have to get all upset about it, we all want the same thing, and we all don't want to loose a great riding spot because half a dozen young guns want to step it up there. There are all kinds of places to build trails beyond SFU, and even more trails to maintain.

:)

[Nick2468]

i havent been up in a long time and that makes me cry:(

[|2ipper]

corey = correct

SFU is the place for the masses to ride

a secret trail is not secret if people know its there, it would be just a matter of time till they find it

i found it, it was a crazy trail, however it had its issues

[free ryder]

leave the bilding to the builders





:rolleyes:

[inshane]

No one got mad when LOLAH showed up?

[Zedbra]

Mullet is da man. Nuke em baby.

And Judy - repsect that Chumba, come and park it in MY garage for the night - cuz you need to ride the Squish momma.

SFU is indeed XC - group ride it up - wish there were other trails around here, so keep balming them SFU trails (circleslash Chumba Wumba;s - and I'm drunk)

[|2ipper]

Originally posted by "inshane"
No one got mad when LOLAH showed up?

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by "inshane"
No one got mad when LOLAH showed up?


Yes, I suppose that's why Burnaby destroyed it.

[ryan]

twice

[Coop]

I sure wish I had one more chance to ride LOLAH's today though.....

[inshane]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Yes, I suppose that's why Burnaby destroyed it.
Remember how excited u where when they built it?

[Rampage14]

Im so sick of riding Nicoles does any one have a map where i can see differant trails other than dead moped and the trails below it please

[Mmmm Dirt]

Nailing into LIVE trees = BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The city of Burnaby sees this as the most taboo thing to do when building trails. Which means that certain structures on a certain trail will cease to exist in the near future. So for those of you that put your hard work into building structures, please be aware of this in the future. The "city workers" can only look the other way to a point. Once the trail builders start getting carried away, then they are forced to come in with their chainsaws. So lets not wreck things completely...be more aware. Cheers.
LOLAH - R.I.P.

[dirttorpedo]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that not everyone can get to Fromme or Seymour easily hence the pressure to build more challenging stunts on trails on SFU, etc. When these guys can drive they'll just move up to the shore and then the next group of up-and-commers will start building "secret" trails on SFU. Unfortunately the mindset in government is CYA from liability, protect the "environment" and respond to nuisance complaints.

I wish I had a solution, but I don't so I'll just whine. There I feel better.

[robike]

off topic-
did anybody here build the jump/drop at the bottom of nicholes? I was wondering if the builder would mind if a little bit of a tranny got built up there? As it is, it isn't that much fun on a hardtail, but it could be with a bit of dirt moved. just tossing it out, gimme thoughts.

[sarts]

Speaking of Nicoles. Most of my riding has been SFU so I am curious what rating would you give to Nicoles as fas as degree of difficulty.

[______]

Easy. Very very easy.

[Team2K]

Nicoles is nice and easy..... yet challenging for a beginner (i was 'wowed' my first time down it). great place to learn!

[switch]

Originally posted by sarts
Speaking of Nicoles. Most of my riding has been SFU so I am curious what rating would you give to Nicoles as fas as degree of difficulty.

On a scale of 1 to 10, either a 1 or 2.