Boogie - new stuff

[thewwkayaker]

Is the new (currently) A type frame (on Boogie - down in the old swampy area) turning into a giant gap jump or something? It's well built but very simple right now (not that I'm complaining - if it was a giant gap jump I'd never attempt it). The second ladder (down to the ground) is very very wide, there is a large leveled (temporary??) log between the ladders. Perhaps it's just a saftey board if you don't make the gap? Just curious if anyone knows about it.

Cool to see all the new stuff appearing this winter (makes winter riding fun when your trails changes) - like corkscrew and Boogie.

[bullit_kid]

I dont know whats up with that .. its a super sketchy gap tho. I was tringing it and the lip doesnt appaear to fully line up with the tranney. I can get pretty close to clearing it, but i wouldnt dare try with out the middle piece.

Nice building .. there was a huge frame up top being made and then it was gone the next ride.

[IFO]

i dont understand why they took out the old Pier style dropoff....

the new Ladder work should have been built beside the old stuff, not replace it....

but either way its nice to see new stuff getting built...last time down Boogeyman the crew all stoppe dand tried to figure it out aswell...
Huge Kudos to anyone who can gap that new stunt... the run out seems short adn twisty....:eek:

[chelle]

For some it's a skinny, for some it's a table top, for me it's a gap. It's all a matter of perspective.

It's called " is that YOUR chainsaw " cause that's what everyone kept asking me as I was building it.

I never liked that jump into the puddle with an uphill landing. I haven't finnished the run out yet but it's ridable. The take off ramp is at a bit different angle than the landing ramp (looking from above) and that was intentional, if your going to gap it just ride up the right side of the take off ramp. The beam across the middle is meant to be there, it's 10" wide and 13' long, just enough to make it interesting.

There's more to come in that area of the trail.

Enjoy

Michelle

[Battlecat]

sounds awsome cant wait to get back up there soon:thepimp:

[NooNer]

that thing kinda scared me when i looked at it, but i managed to ride it as a skinny. gapping it is still a far cry from the lack of skill i posess. i likey tho.

[ride24/7]

Originally posted by chelle
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I never liked that jump into the puddle with an uphill landing.

Michelle

Come on you gotta love those water landings;) :P ;) Sounds fun.. I doubt I'll be gapping it but skinnies=:D

[Cycling-Psycho]

Is that crazy skinnie before the gap jump still up? Or, has it been taken down? That trail is hilarious. A few months ago someone accused a trail builder of paving it. Now only a few months later you need to be in the flow show to ride sections of it.

I have a couple of new things that I plan on building there as well. Come Spring it'll be an entirely new trail.

[m33p]

Woo Hoo, More Building On Booogie :rolleyes:

[Rat]

Giving Michelles track record on boogie ( ie the log ride) Im sure everything will be great. Thanks for the hard work

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by m33p
Woo Hoo, More Building On Booogie :rolleyes:

See this I just don't get.

Just a few days ago, you were getting upset telling someone to suck it up and stop taking trail work for granted.

Then you agreed in the end of it all that the reaction that sometimes come from trail builders is a result of long days of being passed by careless riders, and other riders who actually criticize their efforts. You agreed that was your point of view, and we all saw it.

Here it is:

Originally posted by Mulletron
Good points Andrejs, you are getting the point.


I think the issue is this..

The builders are fighting a semmingly endless battle. In the cold, wet, heat, dry, they bust their ass to fix things that everyone else rides (along with them). As much as they do it because they like it, they get HEAT. Lots of heat. They get passed by a hundred riders a day, and guess how many stop to say Hi, Thanks, or get off to help? Probably 2. Guess how many tell them to move, that the "tranny is to short" or that they are making it too easy, or are in the way, or they skid over their new work? Probably the other 98 riders.

So when a group of good guys come by every now and then, understandable patience is worn mega thin and these guys don't feel like giving the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't either.

We need MEGA changes to the attitudes of trail users. Stop and say thanks. Give 5 minutes of you and your groups time...it will save that one guy an hour of arduous rock moving or dirt shovelling.

Think about it. If 100 riders a day spent 5 minutes helping, or stacking rocks, what would happen? A TON of great things. I bet the builders would be giving high fives and have time to chat if we helped more.

We ALL need to change. This discussion has spoken in volumes.:)

-enters m33p-
"That about sums it up from my point of view."




Then you add this, Woo Hoo, More Building On Booogie :rolleyes:

This not the exact same kind of bullshit you JUST said was pissing off hard workers such as yourself? How much do you really care about these issues if you can spew the exact same trash that upset you and other trail workers like yourself?

[Cycling-Psycho]

Woo Hoo, More Building On Booogie :rolleyes:

This not the exact same kind of bullshit you JUST said was pissing off hard workers such as yourself? How much do you really care about these issues if you can spew the exact same trash that upset you and other trail workers like yourself?

I took that to mean he was excited about more stuff being built on the trail. Now if it was Boo Hoo, well then I'd agree, but Woo Hoo is a whole different matter - he's excited! Maybe he'll even pile a rock?

[corey@nsmb.com]

I think if he was actually stoked, he would not have used the :rolleyes: which translates into sarcasm, and maybe used a happy smiley. I'm fairly confident he was being sarcastic.

If I am wrong, I appologize.

[Cycling-Psycho]

Hmm. Good point. Sarcasm is usually lost on me. Maybe he can enlighten us.

[Slamigo]

Originally posted by Mulletron
This not the exact same kind of bullshit you JUST said was pissing off hard workers such as yourself? How much do you really care about these issues if you can spew the exact same trash that upset you and other trail workers like yourself?

Why take the bait Mulletron?

From what I've seen, M33P does not want to enter into a logical debate about any topic. He/she just says stuff that is blatantly antagonistic with the hopes that someone reacts.
However, he has long since stopped being clever or funny. (I don't know, maybe you guys hang out and are cool with each other?) But he is risking becoming known now as simply that guy that spews shit.

Sometimes his advice is quite direct and level-headed. He doesn't seem to sugar-coat anything, and I think that most of the time he is being honest. I usually look forward to see what he will post (good or bad) because it's probably a viewpoint that I haven't considered.

Also, his posts are always brief and to the point.

Now for some half-assed conjecture. From a psychological standpoint, M33P is a very interesting character. He is very proactive in a mainly positive way, yet propogates a negative stigma. This does not mean that he has a negative self-image, but rather that he is uncomfortable with societal rules on behaviour and morality. Again, this is not a bad thing. Sometimes it is good to question well accepted societal norms. It is how we progress. (flashback 40 years or so and civil rights struggles)
He seems to act on the world rather than react, (react is what most people do). Only a person with a healthy dose of confidence can live this way. The most important aspect being that he does not look to others for situational definition, (on this board anyway). Usually when a person posts, they test the waters or see which way the wind is blowing. M33P does not need these reassurances. His definition of what is occuring is valid. It does not need to be defined or validated by others. Also, his interpretation of the world around him is very flexible. This is also a healthy coping tool, because life itself is very fluid. This is where you think you can trap him with his contradictions. The fact may be though, that it is not a contradiction. What he felt/thought last Tuesday holds no weight on how/what he is thinking today. He lives in the now. This can be very frustrating for people with very linear views (i.e. a+b+c=d). It is also not illogical. It's just a different way of seeing things.
He is also probably very intelligent. He is usually funny. Intellect and humour are very closely linked and also humour is linked with an enhanced sense of the human condition, or situational awareness. In order to 'play' with the other posters on the board, he has a very good understanding of how other people perceive things. This indicates that he in fact probably has a very high level of empathy as well. (do not confuse empathy with compassion) The only reason he seems so unsympathetic is because he can pinpoint where sympathy is most required in order to not only deny it, but make a game of it by taking a facetious opposing stance.
All this to say that even though he sounds a bit like a turd on the board sometimes, I'd guess that most people would like him if they met him. He seems like an interesting person.
Again, pure conjecture...

but I am really bored right now. Sorry for the long post.

[m33p]

You may think I was being sarcastic but the rolleyes and cool smily are very close to each other. I clicked the wrong one last night in a phase of relaxation and didn't realise.

Sorry for the missenturpretation.

P.S. Slamigo, your a very interesting guy, too bad you live way out East. It would be a pleasure meeting you.

[Putty]

phase of relaxation - well said.

you had an ice cream head ache.

[Lady Gravity]

slamigo - that was extremely insightful, and i think you've pretty much got m33p nailed. and yes, i'd have to say he's a very interesting person.

[trail worker]

Originally posted by Cycling-Psycho
Is that crazy skinnie before the gap jump still up? Or, has it been taken down? That trail is hilarious. A few months ago someone accused a trail builder of paving it. Now only a few months later you need to be in the flow show to ride sections of it.

I have a couple of new things that I plan on building there as well. Come Spring it'll be an entirely new trail.

I think ive heard that statement a few too many times.
we will see when you're actually up there,digging in the rain,cutting lines and building stunts.untill then, let michelle build on it and don't be an idiot.I've heard too many people say they will do it better,and then they never do.for now,pile rocks like everyone else should and happily ride the trail as-is.
good'ay to ya.

[Bryce]

slamigo - :lol: :lol: :lol:

it wouldn't be the same without m33p

[m33p]

Originally posted by Cycling-Psycho
Is that crazy skinnie before the gap jump still up? Or, has it been taken down? That trail is hilarious. A few months ago someone accused a trail builder of paving it. Now only a few months later you need to be in the flow show to ride sections of it.

I have a couple of new things that I plan on building there as well. Come Spring it'll be an entirely new trail.

Boogie has never been as hard as the flow show, EVER. It's sad to see huge stunts and crap drops put on the side but, I guess that what progression in a trail is.

I'd rather see it maintained than worked on. Nothing needs changing, but maybe I liked the boogie man from 5 years ago when I first rode it?

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by m33p
but maybe I liked the boogie man from 5 years ago when I first rode it?

same here :(

even thou i couldnt do have the stunts

[Cycling-Psycho]

[i]I think ive heard that statement a few too many times.
we will see when you're actually up there,digging in the rain,cutting lines and building stunts.untill then, let michelle build on it and don't be an idiot.I've heard too many people say they will do it better,and then they never do.for now,pile rocks like everyone else should and happily ride the trail as-is.
good'ay to ya.[/B]

What kind of a ridiculous statement is that. If you actually read what I posted you'd realize I never said I was a better builder than anyone, and I never suggested touching anyone's work. There are many parts of that trail that need some love and there are options for alternate lines to make the trail more interesting. That's what I'm talking about. I will leave some signs and perhaps you can get off your bike - and your high horse for that matter - and pile some rocks for the work I intend on doing.

As for the crazy skinnie I was simply asking a question. It was suggested earlier that it had been removed. Has it? I don't know and I was curious. I really don't care what people build on that trail as long as it is built properly, and does not interupt the flow of the trail, change its character or prevent S&R from accessing it. And it seems to me that other people who have built on that trail share the same sentiment.

[trail worker]

Originally posted by Cycling-Psycho
What kind of a ridiculous statement is that. If you actually read what I posted you'd realize I never said I was a better builder than anyone, and I never suggested touching anyone's work. There are many parts of that trail that need some love and there are options for alternate lines to make the trail more interesting. That's what I'm talking about. I will leave some signs and perhaps you can get off your bike - and your high horse for that matter - and pile some rocks for the work I intend on doing.


I've got my own trails up here to maintain.If you think i should help you,arrange to pay my ferry,and a hotel room and i'd happily come over and pile rocks or whatever you'd like.I have ridden fromme a total of TWO times in the last 4 years,and have never laid eyes on seymore/cypress. We have our own trails up here, to which i happily dedicate hundreds of hours every year through maintenance and the building of entirely new trails.If i lived on the shore,I'd be doing the same thing whether it be piling rocks,or cutting trail. Actions speak louder than words,and as of now all i've seen is words. That's all that i'm saying here..it happens on the coast all the time,and i'm sure it happens there too.

And i'm not on a high-horse,I'm on a soapbox...remember ;p

You're statement sounded a little like you were boasting that you'd be doing some great new stuff that'll beat everything else outta the water...that it would be "a whole new trail"
Originally posted by Cycling-Psycho
That trail is hilarious.
I have a couple of new things that I plan on building there as well. Come Spring it'll be an entirely new trail.

[Sharon]

Boogieman needs a lot of work! The structures that Greg built are 6 or so years old. PD and Michelle have been doing a lot of new work and fixing up the old stunts holes so they'll be around for another 10 years! As well as the all important filling in the mud holes.

It would be great to have two good options for people coming down from Pingu. Spread the load. Pingu has been the trail of choice over the last year with all the new stuff on it. Boogieman has been neglected!

It will be good to have two good choices right beside each other.

[$lack]

Originally posted by m33p
You may think I was being sarcastic but the rolleyes and cool smily are very close to each other. I clicked the wrong one last night in a phase of relaxation and didn't realise.



I seem to remember you telling someone to "end youself" because "you suck at the internet".
I'm sure Mulletron can pull this quote from somewhere.

[$lack]

Is that dropped log with the new skinny above Michelle's gap still there?

[NooNer]

Originally posted by $lack
Is that dropped log with the new skinny above Michelle's gap still there?

yep.

[chelle]

That log that's dropped across the trail is only temporary, it's an old stump that I dropped (it was hanging against a tree and could have dropped on someone one day) to make slatts for more bridges, it's not permanent I just didn't have time to cut it up yet. Don't get to used to it.

[NooNer]

Originally posted by chelle
That log that's dropped across the trail is only temporary, it's an old stump that I dropped (it was hanging against a tree and could have dropped on someone one day) to make slatts for more bridges, it's not permanent I just didn't have time to cut it up yet. Don't get to used to it.

no no no ... leave it. good fun

[chelle]

Sorry, that's 30' of prime old cedar. I'm going to replace that log with a barrier to retain the soil at that down slope, it'll be a little drop or something but there's quite a lot of erosion at that point.

[thewwkayaker]

So does BoogieMan have a newish builder on it? Isn't the trail Bears trail? Will it ever become adopted? More importantly why wouldn't you want a trail adopted?

Michelle's been working on Boogieman on and off for the last 3 years with Greg's consent - he's been a tad busy raising a young son

[m33p]

Originally posted by chelle
Sorry, that's 30' of prime old cedar. I'm going to replace that log with a barrier to retain the soil at that down slope, it'll be a little drop or something but there's quite a lot of erosion at that point.

Cool, so that means you going to stop building one off structures and start maintaining boogieman now?

I walked up it today to meet Mark on Corkscrew, Amazing what one guy can do with a shovel walking up a trail for an hour. Most of the water is off the trail now. If you need any helpfull hints on how to divert that stream off the trail, or prevent puddles from filling up shoot me a pm.

Nothing against you, but all I saw was a one hit wonder off to the side, and 5+ ramps falling aparts everywhere else around it.

[Sharon]

Originally posted by m33p
Cool, so that means you going to stop building one off structures and start maintaining boogieman now?

I walked up it today to meet Mark on Corkscrew, Amazing what one guy can do with a shovel walking up a trail for an hour. Most of the water is off the trail now. If you need any helpfull hints on how to divert that stream off the trail, or prevent puddles from filling up shoot me a pm.

Nothing against you, but all I saw was a one hit wonder off to the side, and 5+ ramps falling aparts everywhere else around it.

John! Michelle did the work on the main boogiewoman log; and quite a bit of groundwork too. Go to your corner and apologize now!:)

[Ah-Choo]

Originally posted by m33p
Boogie has never been as hard as the flow show, EVER. It's sad to see huge stunts and crap drops put on the side but, I guess that what progression in a trail is.

I'd rather see it maintained than worked on. Nothing needs changing, but maybe I liked the boogie man from 5 years ago when I first rode it?



Difference may be that michelle's work tends to add to the trail as opposed to change the difficult sections...look at where that was and how it actually bridges a mundane, wet, probably unsalvagable area WITHOUT paving it with rocks...or building another ladder bridge...

Its a creative solution that enhances in an area that needed work. She did the same thing with the swamp log etc. etc... I really hope she has a hankerin' to do the section before the steeps(after the climb)...I'd be curious to see how she tackled it...

[Ah-Choo]

Originally posted by Sharon
Boogieman needs a lot of work! The structures that Greg built are 6 or so years old. PD and Michelle have been doing a lot of new work and fixing up the old stunts holes so they'll be around for another 10 years! As well as the all important filling in the mud holes.

It would be great to have two good options for people coming down from Pingu. Spread the load. Pingu has been the trail of choice over the last year with all the new stuff on it. Boogieman has been neglected!

It will be good to have two good choices right beside each other.

Bullshit...Boogey man is in fantastic shape! Its probably never been better....It has some water, most of it clear, clean and moving off the trail...It's technically challenging, especially when its wet.

please leave one trail that has a surface that isn't mundane pablum for the masses...there are still a few of us, including the individuals that had a hand in building that trail I might add...that like the challenge of having a technical trail surface...something that you can play with lines on be creative....some people aren't content to be sheep being filed down the mountain on a wide line predermined by somebody riding an 8" travel sled that wants to see everything smooth as glass unless its made of wood...and god forbid that wood be the least bit slippery...

[m33p]

Originally posted by Ah-Choo
Bullshit...Boogey man is in fantastic shape! Its probably never been better....It has some water, most of it clear, clean and moving off the trail...It's technically challenging, especially when its wet.

please leave one trail that has a surface that isn't mundane pablum for the masses...there are still a few of us, including the individuals that had a hand in building that trail I might add...that like the challenge of having a technical trail surface...something that you can play with lines on be creative....some people aren't content to be sheep being filed down the mountain on a wide line predermined by somebody riding an 8" travel sled that wants to see everything smooth as glass unless its made of wood...and god forbid that wood be the least bit slippery...

Technical doesn't mean adding dangerous dan north shore extreme 5 ramps. Something could have easily be done instead of that ramp, and with more ramps needing work than a new ramp. What was the point.


Boogieman now has 3 foot deep ruts in it. I don't member those even 2 years ago?

[Sharon]

Originally posted by Ah-Choo
Bullshit...Boogey man is in fantastic shape! Its probably never been better....It has some water, most of it clear, clean and moving off the trail...It's technically challenging, especially when its wet.



so you like structures with broken rungs that are falling apart?

I'm not talking about paving, I'm talking about maintaining to a sustainable level.

[chelle]

I spoke to Greg and asked him if he was happy with the work and the direction that I'd been going on Boogie. He said that he's seen the ITYC structure and he agreed that's it fits into the style of Boogie. We talked about doing a trail day on Boogie but he indicated that he doesn't want boogie paved and made to easy, I agree.

That being said a trail that receives as much traffic as boogie does will cause the trail to change, erosion and standing water develop and require ongoing maintenance. Just below ITYC after you go through the old stump is a section where we ride through a creek that flows in the winter, one of my next projects is to bridge that creek. I know that there is lots of work to be done but I had to start somewhere. The bridge that was at splashdown park was never into as big a puddle as is there now, it got bigger as more and more riders landed there. I try to do a mixture of maintenance and new construction to keep it interesting.

On another note, everyone must check with Greg before building on Boggie or risk it being torn down after a lot of work.

[$lack]

Originally posted by chelle


On another note, everyone must check with Greg before building on Boggie or risk it being torn down after a lot of work.

Thank you for that Michelle.
A point I have made on other threads.
Nice work by the way. Keep it up.
I, and others appreciate it a great deal!

[$lack]

Originally posted by Sharon
so you like structures with broken rungs that are falling apart?



Sharon,
Dave never said maintenance wasn't an option.
I believe what he meant was maintain, build with permission and/or consultation, adding value to the trail without changing flavour. Something needed to be done with the uphill landing in this section, and Michelle, with some creativity, has done so. Thank you for that.
No trail on the Shore rides as well as this one in or after a rainstorm. Too much "maintenance" might be a problem. Keep repairing ladders, but leave the rest of the trail, for the most part, alone.

[$lack]

Originally posted by m33p
Cool, so that means you going to stop building one off structures and start maintaining boogieman now?

I walked up it today to meet Mark on Corkscrew, Amazing what one guy can do with a shovel walking up a trail for an hour. Most of the water is off the trail now. If you need any helpfull hints on how to divert that stream off the trail, or prevent puddles from filling up shoot me a pm.

Nothing against you, but all I saw was a one hit wonder off to the side, and 5+ ramps falling aparts everywhere else around it.

Your continuing "POSITIVE" contributions are great.
Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

[Cycling-Psycho]

Originally posted by $lack
Your continuing "POSITIVE" contributions are great.
Keep up the good work.:rolleyes:

Oh no. Not the rolling eyes again. Did you accidentily hit the wrong button like m33p claims he did? :???:

Bogeyman is a knarly and technical trail with a few structures thrown into the mix for good measure. I think that was Bear's concept and I think that is pretty much what is still there. What some people on this thread need to realize is that Bogeyman is like the trees surrounding the trail - it grows and changes with the times. That's how it is. That's how life is. Yes the bogeyman of 5 years ago was good but the bogeyman of today is not that much different, and it is good as well. It seems to me that Bear's vision is still alive and well.

Hopefully, it will never lose that character due to overbuilding and the replacement of the terrain with ladders all over the place which permit people with big skill replacement sleds to rip down at warp 9. I hope it never turns into that kind of trail.
So as long as people continue to respect Bear and his vision for Bogeyman there shouldn't be a problem.

[piledriver]

Hey Dave...no more pablum from me since last time I got spanked. :rolleyes:

By the way,how's life at sea treating you? Ciao....PD :thepimp: