Red Pill

[illomatic]

Rock Shox new project coming 01/01/04.....

www.the-red-pill.com


Why wasn't this at Interbike....either way I'm still hella glad I ordered a 04 Super t

[IFO]

maybe they didnt wanna get 10,000 questions about something they didnt wanna disclose yet...

i'm supa-curious what it is...

if its cool i'll swap out my 04 super-T for it...

i'm gunna guess its a replacment fork for the boXXer... which is a seriuosly old design nowadays...

[illomatic]

Heard on Ridemonkey that's it's a 6" fork that can be converted from DC to SC in under 5 minutes......God I hope not:S

[IFO]

Originally posted by illomatic
Heard on Ridemonkey that's it's a 6" fork that can be converted from DC to SC in under 5 minutes......God I hope not:S


ewwww... god i hope not to...

:mad:

at this point i should imagine everything being spread on the 'net is total hearsay thou....

:???:

[Rosscofat]

WHAT there nothing wrong what that design the Mr T had innerchangeable stantions it was a GREAT design!

[illomatic]

If that is what the red pill involves give me the blue pill! With all the advances being made in damping and other technologies RockShox needs to place catch-up, not dick around with technology that was new in '98.

Damping people, damping...sheesh

[illomatic]

Guess we'll have to wait the five weeks to be disappointed

[Rosscofat]

Ouch.. haha anything from rockshoxx has disappointment on the side of it

[MattK8588]

Originally posted by illomatic
If that is what the red pill involves give me the blue pill! With all the advances being made in damping and other technologies RockShox needs to place catch-up, not dick around with technology that was new in '98.

Damping people, damping...sheesh

Marzocchi is the one who needs to play catch-up with their damping

[damian]

Perhaps its the 8 Boxxer?

[illomatic]

Originally posted by MattK8588
Marzocchi is the one who needs to play catch-up with their damping

Uhhhhh....not really. Rockshox is still using piston style damping in its 2003 WC Boxxer!! That's like 1970's technology. Marzocchi has at least been using cartridges for the last few years.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by damian
Perhaps its the 8 Boxxer?

Apparently that comes out in 2005....have to wait and see.

[BAC5.2]

Rock Shox will NOT leak any information.

All I got out of the SRAM Tech guys was that it is not an SPV fork.

Anything you hear is hearsay like IFO said.

Geez, from a company that stole Manitou's design, they are being pretty bold with the introduction of a new fork like this.

What use is a convertable 6" fork? You aren't going to change it on the trail. You'll either run a 5" anything, or a Slider TPC+. Both would be a better option...

[OptionaL]

LOL I think they are a little too caught up in the matrix. :nono:

[damian]

I hope its something new... Not another Boxxer.

[illomatic]

Okay.....now for some pure speculation:

My theory is that Romic and RockShox have teamed up to make upgrade for all of their forks (or maybe just the boXXers) involving new internals and red stanchions. Isn't it kind of strange that Romic did all of this development of upgrade kits with RED stanchions.....and then nothing.....no mention of it at all for release to the public since about July......hmmmmmmm

The RED PILL could be a sort of fix for the problem boXXers have been having

[Keefer]

Red stantions would be KILLER.

[UFO]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
What use is a convertable 6" fork? You aren't going to change it on the trail. You'll either run a 5" anything, or a Slider TPC+. Both would be a better option...

its a better idea than a 6", or even 7" SC fork

[BAC5.2]

Good speculation, but it's not an SPV fork. I asked if it was SPV style (a la Romic) and he said "good guess, but not exactly"

If this was from Manitou, and I couldn't figure it out (Dave gave me the scoop on 04 Slider back in July when I ordered my 03), then I would be SO curious.

But it's Rock Shox. It's gonna take a lot for them to win me back to their side of things. They make a great XC race fork, and a decent trail bike option. They suck in the FR market though.

[BAC5.2]

Originally posted by UFO
its a better idea than a 6", or even 7" SC fork

True that, and you know my feelings on those types of forks.

[damian]

Originally posted by illomatic
Okay.....now for some pure speculation:

My theory is that Romic and RockShox have teamed up to make upgrade for all of their forks (or maybe just the boXXers) involving new internals and red stanchions. Isn't it kind of strange that Romic did all of this development of upgrade kits with RED stanchions.....and then nothing.....no mention of it at all for release to the public since about July......hmmmmmmm

The RED PILL could be a sort of fix for the problem boXXers have been having

Well it makes sense, Red Pill, red stanchions. I hope its something worthwhile... I think it would be sweet if RockShox put out a tough freeride fork.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
Good speculation, but it's not an SPV fork. I asked if it was SPV style (a la Romic) and he said "good guess, but not exactly"


Since when were the Romic upgrades SPV?? I thought they had just tweaked the original internals to work better and found a way of reducing stiction with their new red sliders:???:

[illomatic]

Looks like a red (fix) pill to me

[BAC5.2]

I thought you meant whole romic valving.

Like a Romic rear shock, only up front.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
I thought you meant whole romic valving.

Like a Romic rear shock, only up front.

I have NO idea...this is all complete bullshat....:P

[BAC5.2]

muahaha, or maybe it's not :eek:

At any rate, the fork had better be DAMN good to compete with the Shiver, Slider, 888, Dorado, etc.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
muahaha, or maybe it's not :eek:

At any rate, the fork had better be DAMN good to compete with the Shiver, Slider, 888, Dorado, etc.

From what I've heard the Romic boXXers were unbelievable...which is why I found it so strange that they didn't proceed to production.......

[BAC5.2]

That is odd...

[illomatic]

Just a couple more

http://www.dhracers.com/images/SeaOtter/svenmartin1.jpg

http://www.dhracers.com/images/SeaOtter/albumcover.jpg

http://www.dhracers.com/images/Spomer/SS_NCS1/codding1.jpg

http://www.dhracers.com/images/Spomer/SS_NCS1/sven.jpg

[damian]

Well then that pretty much means that Red Pill will be the Romic upgrade. It makes sense...I wonder how it will ride...And most of all how much it costs.

[illomatic]

:drool: http://www.crankys.ca/forum/topic.asp?topicid=3859&page:

[illomatic]

Taken off Maxxis site:

This season Rock Shox was our team sponsor for front suspension and Romic for the rear. Although Romic was working on their own front suspension testing, Rock Shox was also working on some equally as exciting stuff. Unfortunately some of it not visible to the consumer like the Romic stantions were. Both companies are working to stay progressive in the industry and I think you will see some awesome stuff come from them in the future!

[white ri0t]

I think Rock Shox needs to focus on not going bankrupt again, forks that don't feel like shit and look like they are made like plastic before they go making obscure and overproduced, uninformative flash websites.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by diggs
I think Rock Shox needs to focus on not going bankrupt again, forks that don't feel like shit and look like they are made like plastic before they go making obscure and overproduced, uninformative flash websites.

:lol:

[damian]

This does sound rather good, I wonder how it will work out. I really want to try these out...

[IFO]

Originally posted by illomatic
Taken off Maxxis site:

This season Rock Shox was our team sponsor for front suspension and Romic for the rear. Although Romic was working on their own front suspension testing, Rock Shox was also working on some equally as exciting stuff. Unfortunately some of it not visible to the consumer like the Romic stantions were. Both companies are working to stay progressive in the industry and I think you will see some awesome stuff come from them in the future!

cool thats good info...

better then 'Net rumors anyday....

i'll hold out till the "day" adn see what becomes of it...

[OptionaL]

I'm not so sure the red pill will just be the romic upgrade mass produced?

Why would it be that, if they are trying to keep everything super secret? Everyone has seen the romic upgrade, so they wouldn't bother keeping it a secret if it's the romic upgrade or something really similar to do with romic etc.

[Del]

Im guessing freeride specific forks. Judging by the stuff that mystery vid was saying it sounded like choose your own path etc etc all this stuff that pointed to freeride.

[Onegear]

rock shox has got to do something to get the market share back. I hope that this is a good start, but honestly I'll just sit and wait to see hwhat this "Red Pill" is. And hope its not just a cartridge for Boxxers.:)

[xy9ine]

seems like wierd marketing to hype a third party developed hop up kit for your premium race fork - kind of says "we, with our massive technological & monetary resources cant build a competitive pro-race fork on our own, so we're gonna contract this small independant suspension tuner to do it for us". i'd be skeptical that this is in fact what they were doing. such a kit would cater to a very small niche as well - i dont think it would justify this type of marketing scheme. i'm thinking a product directed to a larger audience - ie, a versatile long travel (freeride) fork. let the speculation continue!

[illomatic]

Originally posted by xy9ine
seems like wierd marketing to hype a third party developed hop up kit for your premium race fork - kind of says "we, with our massive technological & monetary resources cant build a competitive pro-race fork on our own, so we're gonna contract this small independant suspension tuner to do it for us".

Yeah, like I said, just a theory....perhaps a collaboration??

[ATN]

If it's boXXers then why is there u-turn logos and such in the animation.

I think it may be a build your own fork type thing... choose body, choose internals, choose travel, choose stanchions, etc.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by ATN
I think it may be a build your own fork type thing... choose body, choose internals, choose travel, choose stanchions, etc.

Good call

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

Originally posted by illomatic
Okay.....now for some pure speculation:

My theory is that Romic and RockShox have teamed up to make upgrade for all of their forks (or maybe just the boXXers) involving new internals and red stanchions. Isn't it kind of strange that Romic did all of this development of upgrade kits with RED stanchions.....and then nothing.....no mention of it at all for release to the public since about July......hmmmmmmm

The RED PILL could be a sort of fix for the problem boXXers have been having
Yeah, I posted some shit about Romic a while ago...they have a newer crown, different internals, and "accidentialy" made the stantions red while they were experimenting with some form of military annodization...Rock-shox sucks IMO. they've been out of the FR game for a long while...the Boxer feels like crap to me...Maybe they're gonn amke a line of FR forks or something. I can't figure why with all the money they have why they aren't putting more preassure on Manitou and Marz :???:

Speaking of forks...is there a model of the Sherman I could run at 4.5 inches or even 5? I'd like the Hex-lock, but I don't want 6-inches...

[illomatic]

Originally posted by Painting_of_Rebelion
Speaking of forks...is there a model of the Sherman I could run at 4.5 inches or even 5? I'd like the Hex-lock, but I don't want 6-inches...

Hey! Don't highjack this thread!! Yes, there are two such Shermans: the Firefly (titanium spring) and the Flick, availible with or without SPV;)

[ATN]

This week on blackbox racing's site they have a boXXer compression rod mod.

[lockemiester]

Maybe it will be RS's attempt at an inverted fork? Or a 7" SC!!!!(not that they are neccessary)

I agree that it would be a waste to develop a flash site to advertise that the Boxxer is not good enough as is, and that Romic, a small suspention player, has the fix. I don't really think anything is wrong with the Boxxer as is, when used as a race fork or freestyling!! I have been a happy Boxxer user for years.

[illomatic]

Just got an emal back from Tim Flooks from TF tuned suspension. He used to be one of THE pro mechanics at RockShox...Iasked him waht was up with the Red Pill. Couldn't give me any specifics, but said "there is alot of new shit coming for '05". So maybe we'll just have to wait for 05 for the Red Pill....sounds like a revamp of the damping systems anyways:???:

[illomatic]

Originally posted by lockemiester
Maybe it will be RS's attempt at an inverted fork? .

Yeah, they're way overdue for at least an attempt into an inverted fork!!

[OptionaL]

Originally posted by illomatic
Just got an emal back from Tim Flooks from TF tuned suspension. He used to be one of THE pro mechanics at RockShox...Iasked him waht was up with the Red Pill. Couldn't give me any specifics, but said "there is alot of new shit coming for '05". So maybe we'll just have to wait for 05 for the Red Pill....sounds like a revamp of the damping systems anyways:???:

"01/01/04" only have to wait till Jan

[ATN]

Originally posted by OptionaL
"01/01/04" only have to wait till Jan

To be told to wait 9 months.

[crazyguy]

the whole dc/sc thing i think was a joke that people took seriously

[BAC5.2]

01/01/04 will be when they release info about the fork.

[crazyguy]

i odnt think it would be a cartridge for the boxxer since the 04 already took care of that and wouldnt it be funny if this wasnt even for freeride and your all freakin out over it :lol:

[illomatic]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
01/01/04 will be when they release info about the fork.

Yeah, I saw that too, but it's probably just gonna be a preview of the 05 stuff or a mid 04 run "05" new fork.

[illomatic]

Originally posted by crazyguy
wouldnt it be funny if this wasnt even for freeride and your all freakin out over it :lol:

sub 1lb XC fork....sweeeeet!!

[ATN]

Originally posted by illomatic
sub 1lb XC fork....sweeeeet!!

Weight with 80mm steer tube. Preproduction carbon fiber model with only one leg. Spring & oil not included, please purchase seperately.

[Stinky_Rider]

Maybe it is romic maybe it isn't. Just a guess though that it might since Romic could be teaming up with such a big company and is ready to make a release (red pill), so I dunno.

Why should every company HAVE to make a inverted fork? The Boxxer teams and up feel nice IMO.

We'll just have to wait a month to really find out whats going on.

-Chris

[Adam West]

Why do we have to wait until 2004 till they tell us what the red pill is about?
I mean not like the end of the world is coming if we know what rock shox is putting out for theyre new line.....
just my thoughts though I like the red stanchions(sp)

[damian]

Originally posted by Stinky_Rider
Maybe it is romic maybe it isn't. Just a guess though that it might since Romic could be teaming up with such a big company and is ready to make a release (red pill), so I dunno.

Why should every company HAVE to make a inverted fork? The Boxxer teams and up feel nice IMO.

We'll just have to wait a month to really find out whats going on.

-Chris

I guess you could argue about this forever...But MX bikes use inverted forks and those things are under crazy pressure, so there is gotta be a reason for them using invert...Its the future of MTB forks.

[bluerider]

I'm actually excited about this somewhat. I give SRAM a lot of respect with their recent triggers and rear derailleurs. It'll be interesting to see what kind of product RockShox releases now that they have the support of SRAM behind them. SRAM is a serious tech company, I wouldn't rule out some intersting developments here.

I agree that we won't see any product on the 1st, it doesn't fit with the product release cycle of the industry. Most likely it will just be more information. Looks like we wait and see...

[lockemiester]

Originally posted by BAC5.2
01/01/04 will be when they release info about the fork.

Maybe it's not a fork!?!

[RoBurban]

Originally posted by bluerider
I'm actually excited about this somewhat. I give SRAM a lot of respect with their recent triggers and rear derailleurs. It'll be interesting to see what kind of product RockShox releases now that they have the support of SRAM behind them. SRAM is a serious tech company, I wouldn't rule out some intersting developments here.

I agree that we won't see any product on the 1st, it doesn't fit with the product release cycle of the industry. Most likely it will just be more information. Looks like we wait and see...

doesn't rockshox own SRAM?

[RoBurban]

so much emphasis on shoice during that flash thing. it's gotta be a build your own fork.

[spookymilk]

another chance would be that if the fork could be switched from inverted to normal by unscrewing the crowns and repositioning them on the stancions or lowers and adjusting the travel at the same time, like go from a 5 or 6" inverted to a 3-4" normal and having different adjustments on each setting(that might be going a little far though).

[bluerider]

doesn't rockshox own SRAM?

Vice versa. SRAM bought RockShox about 2 years ago now. I think that's a big reason RockShox hasn't released any ground-breaking tech lately. SRAM has done a *ton* of work on the manufacturing side for RockShox. This took some time, and I'm sure is the primary reason there was no new product from RockShox. Now that RS is retooled, I'm eager to see what they come up with!

[Stinky_Rider]

Originally posted by RoBurban
doesn't rockshox own SRAM?

SRAM owns Rockshox, that mean RockShox Owns U

:lol:

-Chris

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

Originally posted by spookymilk
another chance would be that if the fork could be switched from inverted to normal by unscrewing the crowns and repositioning them on the stancions or lowers and adjusting the travel at the same time, like go from a 5 or 6" inverted to a 3-4" normal and having different adjustments on each setting(that might be going a little far though).
That would be
1. Unpossible :lol:
2. realy useless IMO
3. Weak...

[illomatic]

So basically it's either: a new inverted dh fork
a new "build your own fork" system
upgrade using Romic Red stanchions

hmmmm....hopin for the new dh fork....not that I'd buy it (even if I wanted to it would, in all likelihood be too expensive!!)....The boXXer has seen it's day. 98 to 2004 - 6years is apretty good run....but it's time for something new boys!!

[spookymilk]

Originally Posted by Painting_of_Rebellion
That would be
1. Unpossible :lol:
2. realy useless IMO
3. Weak...

I could see it to be quite possible, if the top of the stancions or lowers both had 20mm through axle holes and the crown went into the 20mm holes...hard to explain. I could draw it on paint but it would look pathetic

[illomatic]

Might be possible....but I'm not bettin' on it

[spookymilk]

takes imagination and a helluva tech team

[illomatic]

Originally posted by spookymilk
takes imagination and a helluva tech team

What would the advantages of that system be??

[BAC5.2]

Originally posted by spookymilk
takes imagination and a helluva tech team

You are asking that from the company that stole Manitou's TPC damping system?

HA

[SDK]

Build your own fork sounds like a good idea, but I can't imagine that such a large company would go that route.

I got the impression from the website that it would a super adjustable line of forks - like the 5th Element shock where you can adjust everything, but without the SPV.