secret trails

[Bryce]

I pedalled up Fromme this weekend. As I passed Upper Oilcan someone asked how to get to GMG. The exchange went like:

"Hey do you know where GMG is?"
"yes"
"so where is it?"
"its nearby"
"like where exactly?"
"uh... just nearby"
"oh OK, you're gonna be an assh%le and not tell us, right?"

Right. Not wanting a confrontation I kept pedalling but I was pretty annoyed. I've always thought that some trail info is earned - I found it all on my own

But it really sucks getting sh!t for keeping secret trails secret, especially when you're just out for a chill ride. Maybe there was a better way to handle it, maybe I came across as a total dick. Where is the line between being secretive and being a dick?

I'm hoping Mr. Questions will get on here and clarify why I'm an 'assh*le".

[lockemiester]

I don't think trails should be 'secret'. We are all out to enjoy the ride. Too bad there are some who f*ck trails up, litter and leave a bad impresion on others. It is truly hard to not tell a fellow rider where the trailhead is....

[ruttager]

If it's a "secret", then maybe don't tell anyone you know where it is. If you want to tell the truth, that's a good thing, but some people won't be happy without you giving them directions. You probably came across like you were taunting this guy by saying you knew but wasn't going to tell...if you weren't going to give directions then why say you knew where it is? Frustrating for the other guy. Maybe you could have said "I'm not sure but I heard it's around this area" or something, maybe a small hint so they feel like you helped a bit but they still need to do some work to find it. That way you can still be secretive, helpful and a dick all at the same time. Best of all worlds;)

[EaTDuRRRT]

see the problem with secret trails is that it seperates the riding community. A select few have the knowledge of where it is and that pisses people off. For the most part, people are jealous that others know where the trail is and that they dont.

Personally, I dont like the idea of secret trails. Trails should not be owned by a few rideres just cause they know how to get to it. Unless you own that land or something, trails are made for public use.

But I can also see why people would want to keep trails away from the mass public due to traffic and other reasons.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Nobody is born with an innate skill to just know where all the trails they ride are. The jackass who wouldn't tell you likely didn't just happen across GMG one day...someone likely showed him, and if not that trail, some of the other trails too.

Its one thing to not give directions on a public forum...But once you are already on the hill and its obvious that it is for a stoked comrade, whats the big deal?

We are all part of one community. The attitude of people thinking they have some right to a trail sucks.

[ito]

Just say "no" to the first question. Trails are like dirt jumps, unless it is a publically known location the information is earned. Especially if you did the work on the trail or it's an illegal trail there should be some secrecy to it's location.

This may be a bit elitist or assholish, but I don't have too much of a prolblem with that. I'll give anyone on a bike a chance, but when it comes to the best trails and hidden locations they don't get the info right away, I gotta trust them first. you earn the right to ride the best stuff.

Sorry, but it's true.

The Ito

[corey@nsmb.com]

Give me a break.....Stumbling across a trail doesn't mean you "earned it". How the hell do you "earn" access to a trail? It doesn't make any sense. You find new things by riding with different people and talking with other people who share the same love for riding you do.

You need to trust them first? Why? You think the guy all set to ride is packing a chainsaw in his camelback?

If you expect to build something or ride something that you only want you and your friends to ride, build it in your backyard and not a public place.

[EaTDuRRRT]

Originally posted by Mulletron

If you expect to build something or ride something that you only want you and your friends to ride, build it in your backyard and not a public place.

:werd: mulletron.... I'm with you on this one

P.S. trust isn't even an issue with trail secrecy

[Onegear]

You should give a hint like "it' off in that direction". and show the general direction, because that will allow the person to make up their mind. and see if they want to go and look for it on there own. I'm not saying take them by the hand and show them but that person will have to do a bit of route finding on there own to find a trail like GMG.
I moved here and I have had to find almost all of the trails on fromme by myself(except lower ladies). I ended up riding with a guy that day and he offered to take me, because thats where he was going. He also said to keep it on the down low. That was 2 years ago.
IMO finding a new trail is part of the adventure of riding.
A trail like GMG is different because it is now on any available maps. It has a mystique that should be protected nomatter how gos or bad you think that it flows. A trail with that much hype would have to be armoured like UOC to withstand all of the traffic. I learned my lesson about asking for direction on the bb its just plain wrong:)
P.S dont believe the hype

[Chump]

I can't believe you wrecked a guys ride on not telling him where the "secret trail" is. Its one thing like mulletrom said to give out directions on the board but once on the hill why should it matter.

People do this all the time in lethbridge too make trails then think there to pro to tell anyone else about it. Its probably my biggest peeve especially when they riddle you with it but never tell you.

And i don't know why there would be anything secret on Fromme anyways its one of the most developed spots.

Im with mulletron on this one

Steve

[EaTDuRRRT]

when it all comes down to it , we areall just dudes on bikes looking for the same rush...

I have to say that one of the worst things about the biking community is the attitude a lot of riders have about keeping trails secret. No rider owns a trail and therefore has no more of right to ride it than another. Just cause you know where it is, whoopee, big deal...that doesn't make you special. If you want your very own trail, build it in your back yard. Everything else is fair game for riders.

[m33p]

Who cares, the bitches would have walked the whole trail anyway. Tell em to go buy a map.

[LeeLau]

What is this bullshit about we are all bikers so we must all have group hugs and love each other because we are cool?

There are lots of bikers who are assholes - there are lots who are cool. This applies to those who ride trikes; unicycles, VPS'es, hardtails, roadbikes whatever. Bikers are just like any other group. So what's with the generalization that "we are all fellow bikers?" so we must share all knowledge?

Bryce - you are under no obligation to tell someone where a trail is. GMG especially is a serious commitment and I will take someone down there but I'm not going to tell just anyone where the heck it is. Bridle Path now... that's different.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Onegear

A trail like GMG is different because it is now on any available maps. It has a mystique that should be protected nomatter how gos or bad you think that it flows. A trail with that much hype would have to be armoured like UOC to withstand all of the traffic. I learned my lesson about asking for direction on the bb its just plain wrong:)


No armouring GMG! It should be left natural in all its raw rooty ugliness.

[gooch]

Originally posted by LeeLau
is a serious commitment and I will take someone down there but I'm not going to tell just anyone where the heck it is.

Like you would have found the Lost Lake Trails if it weren't for me.

Hippocrite

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by gooch
Like you would have found the Lost Lake Trails if it weren't for me.

Hippocrite

You would never have discovered the joys of Syntace aero bars on your bullitt if not for me.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by LeeLau
What is this bullshit about we are all bikers so we must all have group hugs and love each other because we are cool?


Thats the spirit Lee. :(

As much as you say bullshit, it sure seems to be the approach you guys (NSMBA) take when it comes to trail maintenance, trail closures and dealing with pissed off residents and/or coming out to public forums on issues that affect "us".

Who said anything about hugs and love? Or even being cool?

[PhotoFyffer]

I have been wanting to ride gmg for a long time, but I don't asking onthe board, if I was onthe mt and I asked someone and they said yes and then they woudln't tell me I would be insulted becase, why say you know if won't tell. If someone asks me were trails are and I'm going that direction I going to help them out. I'm with mulletron on this one. There is some stuff that should stay sercret liek watch you ma callit not sure how to spelll it dan's flow riding trail in nsx 6. and I think 5 as well. I know gmg is in 5. I think dan's trial shoudl stay sercre becase I belive it is on illegal land and if they find out it will be torn down..

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Thats the spirit Lee. :(

As much as you say bullshit, it sure seems to be the approach you guys (NSMBA) take when it comes to trail maintenance, trail closures and dealing with pissed off residents and/or coming out to public forums on issues that affect "us".

Who said anything about hugs and love? Or even being cool?

Mully you also said this:

We are all part of one community. The attitude of people thinking they have some right to a trail sucks.

That is a gross generalization.

Sure I tend to think that most bikers are cool people. After all we are all interested enough in outdoors and exercise to get off our butts and ride a bike around.

But to extend this to say we are a big community which should share all information on everything? Where is the logic in this? If you think about what you said would you limit that generalization?

I will take people - complete strangers - down a trail with me if I ride up the road with them and we strike up sort of camaraderie. But I will certainly not point them out to Hangman.

Meanwhile most of us agree that no directions are to be posted on the Internet. Yet you will tell complete strangers directions to a trail? What is the difference except one person is less a stranger than the other?

[Onegear]

Originally posted by LeeLau
No armouring GMG! It should be left natural in all its raw rooty ugliness.

I did't say "should" i said "would" in reference to the amount of traffic it would get if GMG were on a map. Ite not on a map for a reason, unless they just put it on the latest revision of the fromme map

It's the individuals own choice to tell of the where abouts of a trail. but it is kind of mean to bait the poor guy in telling that you know but won't tell them. If it's on a map the informaition should be freely shared.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Onegear
I did't say "should" i said "would" in reference to the amount of traffic it would get if GMG were on a map. Ite not on a map for a reason, unless they just put it on the latest revision of the fromme map

It's the individuals own choice to tell of the where abouts of a trail. but it is kind of mean to bait the poor guy in telling that you know but won't tell them. If it's on a map the informaition should be freely shared.

Yes. It is kind of mean but I don't think Bryce was trying to be mean - at least not the way he put it.

What if the trail's on a map but its hard to find. A lot of these trails are mapped but they're still darn hard to find. Curiously one of the best maps with directions was the one done by Smoke for Radical Multimedia in 1995 titled "Trails of the Lower Mainland". The new maps have more detail but no landmarks or directions

[Bryce]

good call, i shoulda just said 'no', the knee-jerk honesty tripped me up

GMG is still fairly 'secret' as far as I know - I've never seen it on a map. If it were well-known I would've given directions with a smile and side of fries.

'earning a trail' is kind of a misnomer. I think what we mean is 'discovering hidden trails through experience and exploration'. Nothing wrong with that. Its there, if you want to ride it bad enough, go find it.

I, too, would take a skilled friend down there, but giving directions to a group of 10? I dunno...

[white ri0t]

I wouldn't have told someone where GMG is. But that's just me, and I'm an asshole :)

[gooch]

Originally posted by Derek Diggler
I wouldn't have told someone where GMG is. But that's just me, and I'm an asshole :)

Proven over and over and over again.

[gooch]

Originally posted by LeeLau
You would never have discovered the joys of Syntace aero bars on your bullitt if not for me.

True true, I has made those trips down and up to Squamish a lot easier on me.

Just wait till IronMan Hawaii next year

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Mully you also said this:



That is a gross generalization.

Sure I tend to think that most bikers are cool people. After all we are all interested enough in outdoors and exercise to get off our butts and ride a bike around.

But to extend this to say we are a big community which should share all information on everything? Where is the logic in this? If you think about what you said would you limit that generalization?

I will take people - complete strangers - down a trail with me if I ride up the road with them and we strike up sort of camaraderie. But I will certainly not point them out to Hangman.

Meanwhile most of us agree that no directions are to be posted on the Internet. Yet you will tell complete strangers directions to a trail? What is the difference except one person is less a stranger than the other?

Lee, I am going to stick with my generalization, because that is all it is. I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel with some kind of solve-all approach, but in the grand scheme, that is the position I maintain, and will continue to do so regardless of what anyone else says.

That being said, I don't socialize with assholes. If I see someone on the trail that brings a good vibe about them, I will be more than happy to lead them to a new adventure. The mountains we ride are a public place, and nobody has a "right" to a trail to keep it to themselves and their buddies. Maybe thats a controversial stance, I'm ok with that, and I am not going to bother getting into the fine print on where I stand with all the contingencies there.

If I run into someone on the trail that I get a bad vibe from, I will likely elect to play dumb. I think that sums up how I deal with complete strangers in the forest.

You are a man who has ridden more trails than most of the bb members put together. I am putting my bet on your finding at least one of those by being a stranger to someone else and being told directions. I don't see any problem with that, and I am sure you would not have at the time either.

Cheers, and not tryin to argue. Just explaining myself.

[Chump]

Originally posted by Bryce


'earning a trail' is kind of a misnomer. I think what we mean is 'discovering hidden trails through experience and exploration'. Nothing wrong with that. Its there, if you want to ride it bad enough, go find it.

How would you discover trails through experiance and exploration if your where ther just for a visit, you wouldn't have enough time.

I am so glad i ran into some locals Eamonn D, and Jeff Bryson that would show me around.

I would have been choked if no one showed me around on a trip, what happens if that guy was. This secret trail stuff is sketchy about mtbers :rolleyes:

Steve

[Onegear]

Originally posted by LeeLau

What if the trail's on a map but its hard to find. A lot of these trails are mapped but they're still darn hard to find.

If it's hard to find that IMO, is part of the challenge just as finding the way a trail goes once you are on it for the first time, is part of the fun.

I can understand why Bryce was wary 10 riders is a big group. and people in general frighten me ;)

[ito]

Considering how close we came to getting our trails shut down I plan on keeping the lesser-known trails in SoCal just that, lesser-known. I've been shown old trails that "technically" don't exist, I've been asked by those people not to show others the trails, because they have sensitive land issues.
By trust I mean people who I know won't be bad representatives of the biking community. Due to the fact that some of the trails around here run through some type of ranch land that we are only allowed on because of long talks and because we go through the right channels, but there is still the possibility of losing the trails. Having bikers who may trash a trail or be rude to hikers is very well possible.
Especially when those bikers are not locals. I have no problem showing people around the local trails, but it's rare that they are introduced to the lesser known trails. When there is a danger of trails being shut down I get rather defensive and I know other people do to. We may be a family of bikers, but everyone has the embarrassing uncle, I don't want irresponsible and embarrassing bikers on trails that have sensitive issues surrounding them.

The Ito

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Mulletron
You are a man who has ridden more trails than most of the bb members put together. I am putting my bet on your finding at least one of those by being a stranger to someone else and being told directions. I don't see any problem with that, and I am sure you would not have at the time either.

Cheers, and not tryin to argue. Just explaining myself.

Cheers mully. I'm happy you took it as a debate and not personally as you know I don't do personal attacks. Well, not often.

Believe it or not, for the North Shore I can't recall any trail where someone I knew didn't take me on it.

In other areas I've been given directions; like Williams Lake but more often than not I already knew the trails from maps!

[Dr. Octagon]

if you deserve to ride a trail like the GMG, you'll find out where it is.

asking random riders who have no idea of your ability, trail etiquette and whether or not you'll post directions so every chump on the shore can find it isn't cool.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Dr. Octagon
if you deserve to ride a trail like the GMG, you'll find out where it is.


I'm so sure thats how you found it. I guess when you get that good these trails suddenly pop into vision? Did you clean it top to bottom first try?

[Dr. Octagon]

Yeah, it is.
the builders took me down it my first time. i know how THEY feel about THEIR trail and i respect that.
the unspoken rule about that trail, and others like it, is that you don't tell anyone where it is, you SHOW them. IF they're good enough riders and will respect the trail.

and i didn't clean it top to bottom until about my 3rd run down it, but that was back when it was more terrain, less building.
first couple tries were scetchy as hell, which is even more reason to not tell someone you know where it is. if you get hurt on that trail it's a gnarly hike to get out... you'd probably have to be airlifted, you can't just limp out onto the access road.

[corey@nsmb.com]

ok, in keeping with your argument, because you know the builders, you feel that that was enough to make you "deserve" to ride it? I don't see much logic in that. If thats the case, you are just a guy who knew the right person, how does that constitute "earning" your ride or "deserving" to ride it?

[Bryce]

Originally posted by Mulletron
I'm so sure thats how you found it. I guess when you get that good these trails suddenly pop into vision?

I found it like that. After a year or 2 of riding fromme I went looking for it and after an hour or so of trompin around, it popped into my vision.

[Dr. Octagon]

Originally posted by Mulletron
ok, in keeping with your argument, because you know the builders, you feel that that was enough to make you "deserve" to ride it? I don't see much logic in that. If thats the case, you are just a guy who knew the right person, how does that constitute "earning" your ride or "deserving" to ride it?

they wouldn't have taken me if they thought they'd have to haul my corpse out of the bush.
they knew i could ride, and they knew i wouldn't be taking everyone i know up there. their respect for my ability and trust in me is what "earned" my opportunity to ride GMG.

how can you possibly defend telling smoe unknown rider about the GMG????

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by Dr. Octagon
how can you possibly defend telling smoe unknown rider about the GMG????

Because Mulletron is by nature a contrarian.:D (j/k)

[BULLITBOY]

At least he doesn't tease people like Bryce. "I know where it is but I'm not telling you". What a jackass. Ever hear of tactfulness?
If you're not gonna tell, just say you don't know.

[wickedmcdougle]

GMG is such a sick trail, that if I wasn't sure of a person's abilities, I would almost feel guilty of pointing them out to that trail. A couple years ago, a buddy told me I could ride it no problem, on my xc norco torrent with v brakes (my first bike). He rode the trail, I hiked it with a stupid metal contraption on my shoulder. Unless you know the rider's ability, you could be sending them to serious injury.

And I don't think that those guys' day was ruined; if they had planned to ride gmg they would have found out where it was sooner.

ps I don't ride a torrent anymore and don't suck quite as bad

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by BULLITBOY
At least he doesn't tease people like Bryce. "I know where it is but I'm not telling you". What a jackass. Ever hear of tactfulness?

Well, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was a momentary brain fart. Personally, I would have just played dumb.

"CBC? You're on the wrong mountain! Oh, you said GMG...never heard of it.":D

[mike]

heres the problem with telling somebody how to get to gmg.
its out there, way out there
if somebody goes out there they can pretty easily get lost and end up spending the night on the mountain(which would suck at this time of year.. its damn cold if you are just wearing bike gear)
i wouldnt tell anybody how to get there, but i would show them and ride it with them.. there are a few places where you could take a wrong turn and end up lost.....

[Midas]

I must admit, with a trail like GMG I would find it fine to tell a fellow rider that is out on the mountain looking to have fun. Although with some trails you don't go tell every person who asks, the builders may prefer to keep it under wraps and low key because if potential threats, like the trail nazi or the district. If you stumble across a trail on your own wondering through the forest you have "earned" the right to ride it IMO because you took the time to look for it your self and must be determined to ride it if you actually go out and find a trail on a mountain hich is somewhat like looking for a needle in a haystack, but only if it is the kind of trail that is being kept low key. If it is a popular trail like GMG where quite a few people know about it already I would be fine telling someone asing for directions.

[Bryce]

Originally posted by BULLITBOY
At least he doesn't tease people like Bryce. "I know where it is but I'm not telling you". What a jackass. Ever hear of tactfulness?
If you're not gonna tell, just say you don't know.

ever heard of reading the WHOLE thread?

[oryx_ryder]

a trail isn't a trail without a rider. I think you just came across the hidden species: the dipshittednoobtrailhidingprick. Its habitat is in a trail alone beacuse he/she won't tell anybody about it:P

[Midas]

But many builders are riders aswell, looking to build something new for themselves.

[pete]

Originally posted by Mulletron
I'm so sure thats how you found it. I guess when you get that good these trails suddenly pop into vision? Did you clean it top to bottom first try?

actually Mike, one of the builders, told me where to go search for it on a trail day on seventh secret. Me and a couple friends spikked lunch (and beer) and hunted it down and walked down the enterance. deemed it to be insane after 15 mins of hiking and I only retunred after about 6 months.

so, i do think it should be a challange to find a trail, and a secret trail should be like a hidden gem. You have to earn it or else you dont apreciate it.

[Midas]

Originally posted by pete

so, i do think it should be a challange to find a trail, and a secret trail should be like a hidden gem. You have to earn it or else you dont apreciate it.

:agree:

[Jerry-Rig]

I wouldn't have gave up the goods. The North Shore code is to take someone down it, not to give directions.

Good call on this one..... the rider could have been Richard (District of North Van) who will be in charge of the Fromme Massacre, if it happens.

I'll be riding GMG Wednesday around 1ish, any takers ?

[M.W.]

Originally posted by Jerry-Rig
I wouldn't have gave up the goods. The North Shore code is to take someone down it, not to give directions.


Yeah, whatever happened to that? I never rode any new trails without meeting someone on the climb up, or on the way down something else, and riding with them for the day...

Personally, I couldn't send some random people down GMG because I don't know if they know what they're getting themselves into, etc.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by M.W.
Yeah, whatever happened to that?

We became one big giant community of biking bros and whos sharing everything

[Furious]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Give me a break.....Stumbling across a trail doesn't mean you "earned it". How the hell do you "earn" access to a trail

Haha.. that means Columbus "earned" America, and some lowlife scum "earned" my bike.

EARNED: To acquire by labor, service, or performance; to deserve and receive as compensation or wages; as, to earn a good living; to earn honors or laurels.

[cam@nsmb.com]

I'll say it again: when the rider is ready the trail will appear.

If you are riding well enough to give GMG a try then you have been riding for some time and you are probably riding with others who have the skills. If nobody in your group knows where it is then you need more time on the bike.

Bryce - if you want to be honest keep being honest. I can see them getting riled with your exchange. You started off being truthful and then started (probably unintentionally) being shifty.

If you had said "I know where it is but I'm not going to tell you. I don't know you and I have no idea how you ride. Telling you where the trail is would contravene the North Shore code. Sorry but that's the way it is."

Or something like that. People respond when you are straight with them.

[BRT]

Bryce - Anybody who would call you an asshole after exchanging three sentences sounds like the kind of person who should be buying a lift ticket. A large group of riders like that would have a great time on some large corporations lift accessable trails. The maps and signs on the all the trails would answer all their questions. And when, not if, one of those guys crashes the Paid first aid guys can get them proper medical attention.

That's my two cents.

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by Bryce


I'm hoping Mr. Questions will get on here and clarify why I'm an 'assh*le". [/B]



so Mr. Bigshot, did you build GMG? or do you maintain it?? He thinks your an asshole cuz you are. Until a couple of years ago the only way to discover a new trail( other than personal recon) was word of mouth.

I have traveled alot of places where folks are glad to help out a fellow rider, and direct to a killer trail. Too bad all these new found Shore riders bring so much attitude into this.

Buddy since when is GMG a secret trail??? and oh yeah it's real hidden. Only a noob would pull a move like that, not a experienced rider. Real riders are appreciative, and spread the love.

The larger rider #'s are a fact of life now, too bad so many are dicks.

these new hardcores are also responsible for the shore being turned into a highway,

[LeeLau]

Corey I'm surprised.

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
so Mr. Bigshot, did you build GMG? or do you maintain it?? He thinks your an asshole cuz you are. Until a couple of years ago the only way to discover a new trail( other than personal recon) was word of mouth.

I have traveled alot of places where folks are glad to help out a fellow rider, and direct to a killer trail. Too bad all these new found Shore riders bring so much attitude into this.

Buddy since when is GMG a secret trail??? and oh yeah it's real hidden. Only a noob would pull a move like that, not a experienced rider. Real riders are appreciative, and spread the love.

The larger rider #'s are a fact of life now, too bad so many are dicks.

these new hardcores are also responsible for the shore being turned into a highway,

[the flying moose]

what i dont understand is why people don't know where they are going to ride before they get there. when we go to fromme we always pick out what trails we are going to ride and then use a map to find them so we don't get lost.

I would never head up the mtn without knowing where i am going. its too easy to get injured and then you are fucked because you dont know where the hell you are and the quickest or safest way to get down the mtn.

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Corey I'm surprised.


why??? i definately have respect for "real" secret trails. Not peeps that don't help others. If it weren't for other riders directing me, I would not know where anything is. I say once again that GMG is not considered a secret trail( by locals anyway). Plus if you wanted to make a true secret trail would you build on the most ridden mountain in the world??

I'm sure that every rider on the board has ridden someones goodies, and we have all appealed to another rider for info so peeps need to step off the horse and realize that. We are a close knit community, lets keep it that way.

a good example would be not lending some one a pump cause they didn't bring one and you did............well your justified cuz they should have one, but making them walk down with a flat makes you an asshole. Trust me I am the king of allowing my principles to turn me into an ass. So don't bother ripping me.

and yo BRT, you have real secret trails, and your smart enough to put them where folks won't find them............maybe all the frommies should take a lesson.

[dirty deeds]

If the builders really wanted to keep it secret, they wouldn't have allowed it to be a video feature.

Of course everyones gonna be thrashing through the bush trying to find it now.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
why??? i definately have respect for "real" secret trails. Not peeps that don't help others. If it weren't for other riders directing me, I would not know where anything is. I say once again that GMG is not considered a secret trail( by locals anyway). Plus if you wanted to make a true secret trail would you build on the most ridden mountain in the world??


I'm not going to rip you. I would give a complete stranger my tube. That doesn't mean I'm going to tell them where every trail i know is located. Don't ask me why I draw the line there. I don't know why.

I thought mike and gabe wanted to keep gmg low-key. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. There are some lesser known stashes on fromme despite the fact that its so ridden

btw anytime you want to build the pingu wall ride let me know.

[SIDESHOW]

[i]
btw anytime you want to build the pingu wall ride let me know. [/B]




sshhhhhhhhhhh............I don't want anyone to know where it is :D

[Bryce]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
i definately have respect for "real" secret trails. Not peeps that don't help others.

and yo BRT, you have real secret trails, and your smart enough to put them where folks won't find them

Ahh Corey, you were doing good with the 'spread the love' argument but now you admit that you, too, keep secret trails secret.

So, are we just debating the status of GMG as a secret trail? It may not be top secret but 0 out of those 10 riders knew its location.

IMO its still fairly secret but you're entitled to your own opinion

[Jerry-Rig]

Originally posted by LeeLau
[B
btw anytime you want to build the pingu wall ride let me know. [/B]

Copy Cats...... .:rolleyes:

Wander why you never see pros build ? Except for Danger....

[T.Walker]

Isn't GMG on the fromme map???

[SIDESHOW]

wallrides been around a longtime sir............not a new idea, plus the proposed move would not compare to your creation.........


poopoo on all of you.....we'll build a move on pingoo

whatever I'm going to the movies.......Kill Bill, I heard it is action packed.

[M.W.]

Originally posted by LeeLau
We became one big giant community of biking bros and whos sharing everything

Oh right, forgot about that.

Can I borrow some underwear tomorrow? I don't want to do a wash...

[Jerry-Rig]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
wallrides been around a longtime sir............not a new idea,

Not on a trail but its all good..... more the merrier, they're a helluva lot of fun.

Nice hip btw...

http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@232.oKp5aty6VFB.1@.efd6e74

[Cheese]

Thats a sweet shot of corey!

Wall rides are where its at, unfortunatly, I have never hit one on the mtn! We definitly need more but no pinner ones we need huge ones like Jerry Rig.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Cheese
Thats a sweet shot of corey!

Wall rides are where its at, unfortunatly, I have never hit one on the mtn! We definitly need more but no pinner ones we need huge ones like Jerry Rig.


1) why are you mis quoting me in your sig????

2) Come help me make my meshise of a wallride soon.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by shor3 whor3
1) why are you mis quoting me in your sig????

2) Come help me make my meshise of a wallride soon.


1) im not misquoting you thats exactly what you said to the little asian boy when he fell off his bike

2) ok

[J dot]

The north shore code should be ressurected and posted on the main page...



i remmeber jack popped his tube on seymour and this guy hardly let him borrow a set of allen keys . he was giving jack all this attitude and we were trying to be nice about it but it was sreiously bad news bears.

people these days need to take a look around and get out of their selfish little bubble

[barry]

you couldve avoided all this and not make yourself out to be an asshole just by saying you dont know where it is...

[Bryce]

Originally posted by Bryce
good call, i shoulda just said 'no', the knee-jerk honesty tripped me up

[barry]

haha yeah i dont read threads that are 5 pages if i just have half a sentence to say.

im horrible, i know.

[Rat]

I always cary an extra tube when I see a bro with a flat I give it them and tell them that they now have to carry an extra tube for the next guy.

[seand]

things are different here in washington...

we have a few trails that the local shops will tell you about...drive you too...etc...then we have some trails that you dont tell anyone about. its not to be rude, or an elitest, but to protect the trails. things tend to get chopped pretty regularly down here, and to lose an entire trail circuit...well thats a tough blow to the scene...

i hate sharing riding stories with riders and stopping myself before i mention a trail that i have ridden the day or week before that has exactly what they are looking for...

show not share?
i agree with this practice. i have no problems taking a rider or riders to a new location, but i will NOT email them directions, draw them a map..etc...because of this, i wont even mention a trail in conversation....

some of the best trails i have ever ridden were shown to me in confidence that i wont tell anyone about them. nothing like...
"have your gear ready at 8am, well pick you up and show you a great new ride"...
sure enough, its a trail i want to show everyone, but cant.

until the trails stop being torn down, we cant afford to tell/show everyone.

walk your bikes in, walk your bikes out...keep the evidence as small as possible...this is a BIG rule on many of our trails...because of this, we cant just give out directions, even if we admit to knowing where a trail is...


all this will change when i can buy a mountain, and let the building begin :)


*sorry for the ramblings*

[BRT]

Originally posted by seand
Until the trails stop being torn down, we cant afford to tell/show everyone.

walk your bikes in, walk your bikes out...keep the evidence as small as possible...this is a BIG rule on many of our trails...because of this, we cant just give out directions, even if we admit to knowing where a trail is...
[/B]

I couldn't agree more. Does any one on this thread practice the walk in/walk out? It seems like it is next to impossible to get people doing this... Maybe after an area loses some of it's trails. Is this a hard stand to take? It is a courtesy to yourself and all the riders who build, maintain and enjoy the "secret" trail. Oh, "secret trails" are an urban myth! How can anyone keep something that good to themselves? Mtn bikers suffer from the, "look at what I can ride!" And if you don't show everyone, who would know. Secret trails are all well and good, but they can't ever really stay secret for that long. Watching someone else experience a great trail for the first time has its own award... especially if you were the one with the vision and back to put the trail there in the first place! blah, blah, blah...:)

[Tool]

that's what i remember doing when i first started riding up on fromme many years ago, it was more of a walk out cause of the BP

[Bryce]

sweet avatar, tool

[switch]

Originally posted by Jerry-Rig
Nice hip btw...

http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@232.oKp5aty6VFB.1@.efd6e74

It's the bike, not the rider... :D


If you want to know where trails are, you can buy a map of the mountain for about $5. Optionally, you can go to the trailpeak website at http://www.trailpeak.com/index.jsp?cat=bike&con=traillist. Free to join.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

haha is GMG even on a map?

[RiDiCuLoUs]

Originally posted by ReCkLeSs RiDeR
haha is GMG even on a map?

yeah it stands for gay man gay..ur the "man: as in ur gay!

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

shut your computer off and disconnect the internet

[BRT]

Here is another example of what happens when your trail network gets discovered by the wrong people...

http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/news/?op=articleview&id=1746

A chainsaw is the right persons hands is a beautiful thing. Put it in the hands of the wrong people... Shhh... Keep your little secret trails to yourself.

[big_hit_biker]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
Trust me I am the king of being an asshole I already figured that one out.

[well ridden]

GMG is on a map

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by big_hit_biker
I already figured that one out.


oh really, who are you??

[switch]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
oh really, who are you??

Put a 20" rim around him and give him a beatin. ;)

[SIDESHOW]

then i would get booted out of my anger therapy class.......................must not beat on morons was last weeks theme.

all in good fun big hitter, but if you wanna diss me how about your secret ID unveiled so I can have a crack at judging you.................betcha yer no angel.

[Grimace]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
then i would get booted out of my anger therapy class.......................must not beat on morons was last weeks theme.

all in good fun big hitter, but if you wanna diss me how about your secret ID unveiled so I can have a crack at judging you.................betcha yer no angel.

ahhahaha your too much somtimes

[big_hit_biker]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
then i would get booted out of my anger therapy class.......................must not beat on morons was last weeks theme.

all in good fun big hitter, but if you wanna diss me how about your secret ID unveiled so I can have a crack at judging you.................betcha yer no angel. its a joke. jesus.

[free ryder]

mulletron.... I'm with you on this one

same . and ya you were a dick

[Troglodytes troglody]

Here's my two cents worth...

Although I agree that providing directions to a trail is not always wise, equally unwise is having a rider stumble upon a trail on his/her own that is far above their riding ability. Such a scenario could lead to serious injury and result in even more issues with the trails on the local mountains.

A better option might have been to say that you knew where GMG was but due to its extreme difficulty, you were uncomfortable giving them directions because you didn't want to be responsible for their safety.

They probably would have still reacted negatively toward you but at least you wouldn't have sounded as obnoxious as I think you did.


As a side note to all BB posters, please make an effort to do a spell check before posting your comments. If I didn’t know better, I’d think that the majority of us mountain bikers never made it past the second grade.

; )

[Dude]

Fuck...some people really do overthink this, don't they?

How about this: if you don't want to give directions, say "Sorry, don't know."

If you do, erm...do.:rolleyes:

As for me, I've always found new trails by asking for directions, or following someone. What difference is that from consulting a map?

BTW: yes, you were a dick.

[RampagingMullet]

I have never been told were a secret trail is, and I think that is how it should be. I have been escorted down GMG, and I have stumbled upon the whatchamacallit; both of which were breathtaking, but eventhough lots of the stunts were over my head, it was worth a million bucks just to see them in person. Any decent person who took a minute to think of how much care is put into a trails, not just the secret ones, would watch who they told about a trail. EVEN MAPPED ONES!
I just don't want to see any more trails get hacked up
Some punk kids hacked up one of my stunts back home, and it felt like someone just shot my dog. IT SUCKS
Protect the builders, they are why the shore is so great.
The mountain biking community can keep its tight feel without people automatically telling all about their newest discovery
-peace

[switch]

Originally posted by Dude
Fuck...some people really do overthink this, don't they?

How about this: if you don't want to give directions, say "Sorry, don't know."

But for the person who knows, that wouldn't allow them to boost there ego. After all, knowing the existance of a secret trail and boasting about it IS what it's all about...

[Couch_Surfer]

just let this thread die. it was tired in november

[pete]

yeah whoever started it please just delete it now

[damian]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Nobody is born with an innate skill to just know where all the trails they ride are. The jackass who wouldn't tell you likely didn't just happen across GMG one day...someone likely showed him, and if not that trail, some of the other trails too.

Its one thing to not give directions on a public forum...But once you are already on the hill and its obvious that it is for a stoked comrade, whats the big deal?

We are all part of one community. The attitude of people thinking they have some right to a trail sucks.

Its funny how you said no one just came accross GMG one day... Me and my friend did. We found all the stunts/trails, that most people wonder about, the stuff you see in movies. Have a day of hiking on Fromme, and youll be surprised at the amount of stuff up there!

[fender]

ive come across nearly everything by hiking. ive been shown one or two things and thats it. the rest of it i found by riding down it to see what it is or hiking the mountain to see whats up there