Hardtails At The Rampage [Archive] - North Shore Mountain Biking Forums

KHansen

10-27-2003, 04:02 PM

do you think red bull will have full on bias towards hartailers ever gettin to compete? after russ morrell's poor performance will they assume that every hartailer would end up gettin carried out? do you think that redbull will make a rule that states no rider may ride a hardtail? there are alot of riders that i think could do well even on a hardtail...from what i saw in jib etc i found russ to be very sketchy and not really in control of his bike...and something you need alot of a the ramgage is bike control. i think he misrepresented alot of riders out there...one other fact is that i don't think the bike should matter since many guys were falling and getting injured on even the biggest duallies..russ just had a crash that ended with bad luck...

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 04:04 PM

i wanna compete at red bull on a hard tail

GNARLY MAN

10-27-2003, 04:07 PM

i want to compete at red bull on a road bike

c2skyrida

10-27-2003, 04:10 PM

:rolleyes: Looks like this thread is dead b4 it started....

superman_4

10-27-2003, 04:12 PM

get a bmx

KHansen

10-27-2003, 04:14 PM

thanks... i knew i could count on the village idiots to be of great help..:mad:

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 04:14 PM

i think red bull should be open to all mtb bikes

seand

10-27-2003, 04:25 PM

well it IS a mountain bike event, so technically if the rider is good enough to get invited, then it shouldnt matter what their weapon of choice is.

write them a letter, or better..call them and ask their stance on hardtails...it never hurts to ask!

-sean

Action Hero

10-27-2003, 04:29 PM

I don't see how this matters considering there is no more Rampage....

counterpoint

10-27-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Action Hero
I don't see how this matters considering there is no more Rampage....

I don't think that the case - you're mixing it up with other events.

What Kyle is saying is that due to Morell's performance, is Redbull going to allow other hardtailers in the future as Morell was clearly out of his league. He did not ask how to get in, nor should they be allowed.

CheeseDogs

10-27-2003, 04:52 PM

kyle u should try to go in with your min man next year :smokey:

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 04:55 PM

ht are just another bike... if u think u can ride it then go.. your the one with the power to go big or not

shore king

10-27-2003, 05:07 PM

if u wana go in so bad give up all this ht pride shit and just borrrow a full, if u do as well as u do on ht u will do just as good if not better on a full

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 05:09 PM

not true its tottaly diff in moving the bike pedaling ect

KHansen

10-27-2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by shore king
if u wana go in so bad give up all this ht pride shit and just borrrow a full, if u do as well as u do on ht u will do just as good if not better on a full

its not about ht pride its about riding the bike that you ride day in day out...i feel i can stick bigger drops smoother on a ht then i could when i had a dually...plus there are some unique tricks a hardtailer could bust out if given a chance.

shore king

10-27-2003, 05:10 PM

u don't need to be peddaling whne ur hucvking off a 20 footer

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 05:12 PM

hmm i see tons of pedaling.. just not the same

Jeff M

10-27-2003, 05:24 PM

I think that riders should be able to ride whatever bike they want.
I also think though that Russ was only riding a ht to try to make himself stand out. Don't get me wrong, he is an awesome rider, but at an event like the Rampage I think that he is seriously outclassed. He wasn't doing anything unique or adding any extra style by riding a ht. Just trying to make the lines that he rode seem more "hardcore" by riding them on a hardtail. That's my two cents anyway.

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 05:30 PM

well if he was throwing like x ups and stuff then diff story but if he landed smoiother he would of won

white ri0t

10-27-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Rosscofat
i wanna compete at red bull on a hard tail

This from the guy who was owned by lafarge ;)

counterpoint

10-27-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Rosscofat
well if he was throwing like x ups and stuff then diff story but if he landed smoiother he would of won

I think people should be banned for stupidity from now on.

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Derek Diggler
This from the guy who was owned by lafarge ;)

a 7yrd owned me at lafarge..... and how was that coment stupid... i said very simple things but whatever :)

sanrensho

10-27-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by counterpoint
I think people should be banned for stupidity from now on.

Yes, but how would you judge stupidity?

Should there be separate judges for lack of imagination, inability to communicate, incomplete logic, inability to argue your way out of a paper bag, etc.?:idea:

Rosscofat

10-27-2003, 06:13 PM

lol im on 2 t3's im havin fun

Voleurz represent

10-27-2003, 06:17 PM

I think that they will have a large bias towards allowing riders into the rampage next year, should the rider be shredding on a hardtail. Now Kyle.. if we took a road trip and filmed you shredding it hard, then they might ease the rules a bit. Russ, even though he was trying to push it, made a big a mistake and was in fact outclassed, I agree with kyle that there are a few hardtail riders that wouldn't be outclassed and could actually do well. Russ just wasn't riding lines that allowed a hardtail to dominate. In order for a HT to work on that terrain you would have to groom lines really well, and pick clean lines(cleaner than on a Fully). I forgot what I was arguing, but hopefully a HT rider can rip it there next year.

counterpoint

10-27-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by sanrensho
Yes, but how would you judge stupidity?

Should there be separate judges for lack of imagination, inability to communicate, incomplete logic, inability to argue your way out of a paper bag, etc.?:idea:

There would be no judging. Just swift and sure punishment at will. Ask questions later.

Scarface

10-27-2003, 06:52 PM

I think that it should be mandatory to ride Dual Suspension bikes in that event just for the saftey of the riders..Ya its cool to see you Kyle and Russ and others go quite large on a hard tail but what are you guys really proving? I mean I have a huge amount of respect in what you guys do, and thats not gonna change but I think it would be just as cool if you did it on a fully..
Ya your right kyle a person could do well on a hardtail but they wouldnt be riding the level the full suspension guys are riding at, as smooth as you are, there is no way any one could match the control of a dual suspension bike on that terrain and it seems like the judging is based very highly on amplitude, because technicality didnt seem to count that much, as cameron zink was doing crank flips off drops and him and kyle strait both were doing back flips im not sure how many were landed but, as i was saying it is highly based on the biggest drop.
I think you would be at a better standing at a competition such as freezride..but I guess not since its not happening any more..

on a different subject...Is Red BUll pulling funds from mountain biking? because it sure seems like it..or were they just setting the standards for the level of competition for the mtb industry to see so we are shown what is possible for future events..

KHansen

10-27-2003, 07:01 PM

"Ya its cool to see you Kyle and Russ and others go quite large on a hard tail but what are you guys really proving?"

Andrew, personally i'm not tryin to prove a thing...i don't huck on my hardtail so people will be impressed...like "omg he just dropped that on a ht"...far from it..like every other kid that pays for everything himself (no help from parents or sponcers).. i am poor. i ride dirtjumps, street, park, trails, hucks. you name it i love to shred it. i can only afford to run one bike so my bike is set up for a little bit of everything...

not trying to prove anything only riding what i'm used to and what i have always ridin

Scarface

10-27-2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by KHansen
"Ya its cool to see you Kyle and Russ and others go quite large on a hard tail but what are you guys really proving?"

Andrew, personally i'm not tryin to prove a thing...i don't huck on my hardtail so people will be impressed...like "omg he just dropped that on a ht"...far from it..like every other kid that pays for everything himself (no help from parents or sponcers).. i am poor. i ride dirtjumps, street, park, trails, hucks. you name it i love to shred it. i can only afford to run one bike so my bike is set up for a little bit of everything...

not trying to prove anything only riding what i'm used to and what i have always ridin

sorry Kyle that didnt come out the way I meant it, I know Russ him self is trying to really set a "standard" i guess we can call it and he has the choice of a dual suspension, but he went wiht his HT. The statement what are you proving was a statement towards russ. I bet you taht had he been competing on a fully he would not have been at least air lifted out of there.

CheeseDogs

10-27-2003, 07:37 PM

KHansen

10-27-2003, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by CheeseDogs
kyle, did u ever ride a fully :???:

2000 Kona Stab dee-lux, 2001 KHS dominatrax :o haha lets not get started on that frame...

CheeseDogs

10-27-2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by KHansen
2000 Kona Stab dee-lux, 2001 KHS dominatrax :o haha lets not get started on that frame...

you find any more crazy lines in courtenay??? Did u ever do that sick stall on the stump behind mikes bikes??? brandon showed me it when i was back in the summer :)

KHansen

10-27-2003, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Scarface
sorry Kyle that didnt come out the way I meant it, I know Russ him self is trying to really set a "standard" i guess we can call it and he has the choice of a dual suspension, but he went wiht his HT. The statement what are you proving was a statement towards russ. I bet you taht had he been competing on a fully he would not have been at least air lifted out of there.

hahaha don't think i'm raggin on you andrew haha we're cool...you bring up some good points...but that point about him being on a dually would have prevented him from being airlifted haha i don't know man anyone can slam crazy hard no matter what the bike..i think the reason for his accident was not the bike's fault but i don't think he truly belonged at rampage...but with wildcard positions who knows right? gotta give the up and comers a chance.

Scarface

10-27-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by KHansen
hahaha don't think i'm raggin on you andrew haha we're cool...you bring up some good points...but that point about him being on a dually would have prevented him from being airlifted haha i don't know man anyone can slam crazy hard no matter what the bike..i think the reason for his accident was not the bike's fault but i don't think he truly belonged at rampage...but with wildcard positions who knows right? gotta give the up and comers a chance.

haha ya thats true, but i was just saying that you would take a big longer time to regain control on a hardtail than a fully, and during that little bit of time he could hav gone whacko lol
anyways ya thats true you gotta give the up an comers a chance!
:thepimp:

that person

10-27-2003, 10:43 PM

ppl should be able to ride what they want, if anything made to ride the bike they ride most often. like some one who rides hardtail and then gets a dually for rampage and is not used to it could get hurt

Action Hero

10-27-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by counterpoint
I don't think that the case - you're mixing it up with other events.

What Kyle is saying is that due to Morell's performance, is Redbull going to allow other hardtailers in the future as Morell was clearly out of his league. He did not ask how to get in, nor should they be allowed.

Redbull has very good marketing, they make their name known in a sport then the get out and move onto another sport - This allows Redbull to advertise to a group become popular, move onto another while maintaining populairity.

As far as I know this is the case, from my knowledge they no longer will be holding comps in mountain biking.

This is what I have been told, it is not 100% but I have verified this with quite a few people. No more Rampage, Freezeride, Ride or Bike Battle.

IP FreeLee

10-28-2003, 05:43 PM

It is great that everyone has an opinion, and freedom of speach is the foundation and cornerstone of our society, however I don't believe anyone here on this board has the right to judge Russ M. I was there at the Rampage and Russ was piloting his steed with authority. It is a major event with helicoptors and cameras, media types everywhere. Talk about unnerving. Russ has styled that ridge on and off camera and killed it everywhere, to judge him especially during an intense event like this is truly to have missed the point!!!!!! Everyone has a bad day/bad moment.
Most people struggled with Rampage, and props to Russ for showing up. I think that a very large percentage of riders on this BB would pee their pants when looking at Qualifying lines, much less consider it on a hard tail.:)

*GiMpY_jR*

10-28-2003, 08:24 PM

im going to enter on the norco 420 its got full suspension + pegs and a gyro or the p street because it has a gyro and pegs and grind plates on the fork

inshane

10-28-2003, 10:28 PM

There is no need for rules to be put in to say what bike you can ride. As long as its not a peice of shit, everything should be fine.

The only rules that are needed are to insure that every rider is wearing a fullface and body armour!

Action Hero

10-28-2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by "inshane"

The only rules that are needed are to insure that every rider is wearing a fullface and body armour!

Why?

The best rider to ever go to that comp is Bourden...... does he wear a lame chest protector?

white ri0t

10-28-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Action Hero
Why?

The best rider to ever go to that comp is Bourden...... does he wear a lame chest protector?

Bourden? you have to be fucking kidding me!

Action Hero

10-28-2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Derek Diggler
Bourden? you have to be fucking kidding me!

Who would you say?

Other than Wade because obviously he is god of all, but Bourden follows close behind, IMO of course.

white ri0t

10-28-2003, 10:56 PM

Berrecloth, Gracia are much better choices, IMO. Not to mention Romanuk.

counterpoint

10-28-2003, 10:57 PM

most guys went with out anything on their arms. If you saw first hand the shit going down, you wouldn't think anything but full face.

In my own opinion, flying down that course with a short sleeve flappin and bare arms looks fucking cool...So you get scraped up a bit if you fall - bmxers and skaters have been doing it for years.

counterpoint

10-28-2003, 10:59 PM

oh yeah, since you are talking names, merossi or whatever has the coolest style of all. He bounces from hump to hump like skiing. Plus he landed big shit and landed the bourdan gap in his first run. Minnaar doesn't go huge but has the best style in the air...

Action Hero

10-28-2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Derek Diggler
Berrecloth, Gracia are much better choices, IMO. Not to mention Romanuk.

Hmmmm, you're right...... but Darren dosn't wear much gear either....

I'm still going to say Bourden is top 5

white ri0t

10-28-2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Action Hero
Hmmmm, you're right...... but Darren dosn't wear much gear either....

I'm still going to say Bourden is top 5

yeah, he's riding well since his sponsors allowed him to quit his job in Nelson cutting lawns (confirmed sighting)