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bbike
10-18-2003, 10:54 PM
hey guys, I decided today that maybe some companys other than specialized make some prety:thepimp: bikes. My only question is which one. I thought about it, and well, i will always have my bighit for the bigdrops and the dirtjumps, but i am in need of a dh race bike. I need for next season. I am not super knowledgable about the other models, so i figured that you guys would be way more bike smart on the other brands. The new bike still has to do drops (around 5-15 feet) but it will be used for dh and dh race alot. I am going to try to keep my limet around 4000.00 usd. is it possible to find a quality dh race bike for that much/little, dont know because there are alot of exspencive bikes on here. Just shoot out some suggestions, thanks:)
p.s.: specialized bikes are still in the picture.



David
10-18-2003, 11:14 PM
demo 9.....
bbike
10-18-2003, 11:23 PM
around fourgrand american, im 16 and cant afford one, even though i would love one:drool:
BAC5.2
10-18-2003, 11:26 PM
Race a few on your Big Hit. See if you actually like racing before you drop 4k on a race only bike.

That said, look at a buying a Sinister R9 frame, and then using the left over money to spec parts you can afford.

It's hard to build a gucci, or semi-gucci bike on a non-shop budget.

4k of non-deal money is worth between 6 and 9k of deal-money.

Think about your dream bike. Don't put a price on it. Then get a job in a shop, and work there for a good amount of time. Get your foot in the door with the industry and build your dream ride. That's what I did, and it was worth the wait. You'll be able to have a pimped out bike for less than the retail of a new bike.

To put that into perspective, my bike is worth a good bit more than your budget (retail, including labor for everything), but I spent a good bit less than your 4k budget...
bbike
10-19-2003, 12:27 AM
how much is the sinister r9 frame? or can you get it as a complete
BAC5.2
10-19-2003, 12:34 AM
It'll be a few bills. I would imagine close to 2k frame and shock. I doubt you can buy it complete.

You'll get a better deal and a better ride if you build it up though.
IFO
10-19-2003, 12:49 AM
Balfa BB7 would be plenty capable of doing everything u need...

but i think u should try DH racing on your BIGHIT before u right it off... i think you'd be surprized how fast that bike is capable of going....:eek:
bbike
10-19-2003, 08:10 AM
I am decided that i am going to wait one more year till my new rig, next year my bighit will be racing. Damn, that sinister r9 is the gottest bike i have ever seen.
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=125280
NooNer
10-19-2003, 01:03 PM
i thought for racing a 24 in the bck was a no no?:???: possibly the norco team dh or team race?

i was up seymour and saw the new brodie race bike ... it was pimp, chrome and stealth decals. chenck that out too.

steve
BAC5.2
10-19-2003, 01:41 PM
If it's your first race, you should be more worried with actually finishing the race.

A 24 has it's disadvantages, but if he is light over the rear end, he won't have any problems. It's all a matter of how you flow over the bike, a 24" rear wheel will hold back a rider that doesn't know how to feel the bike. Beyond that, it's all personal preference.
bbike
10-19-2003, 01:43 PM
yes, a 24" rear wheel is still aloud but i think that it makes every thing more difficult, yes it has faster pickup but, but in DH imo with less aceleration (maybe by 1 second) but with the 26" wheel you might gain 5 seconds, the sinister has 26" wheels so that is why i was intriged.
BAC5.2
10-19-2003, 01:59 PM
It also depends on the course. If it's all down (no flats or anything), a 24" will do fine as long as you float over the rear end. The 24" will hang up on things if you don't keep your legs loose and use more of your leg suspension than your bikes suspension.
bbike
10-19-2003, 02:34 PM
but this gets tiring if its your 3rd race for the day, then your performance will go down, as if you were on 26" wheels, you could rest more on the smooth dh parts and let the bikes suspension do the work, and pump through the turns and single track
Nelson
10-19-2003, 04:03 PM
DEVINCI!
snowboarder
10-19-2003, 04:55 PM
its all personal preference. i personaly like having a 24in. in the back. I rode a gemini with dual 26in dhing and i didnt feel any difference. the only con i see racing with a 24in is hitting more things with your bash ring.
snowboarder
10-19-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by BAC5.2
If it's your first race, you should be more worried with actually finishing the race.

this man speaks the truth.
bbike
10-19-2003, 05:18 PM
I used to race xc, to show my skill at that, put it this way, there were several companys wanting to sponser me. Personaly, I dont see dh as that different, just with more whoops and jumps. In the single track sections, i was going the same speed as the amature (adult) class. Finishing the race is not a problem, I have the same chance as any of the other riders. I have also decided that i will not want a DH race only bike. I want a biek that is quicker quicker than by bighit when pointed downwards, but i still want to do drops. So far, the Sinister r9 is winning, That bike is SO sexy.
WBC
10-19-2003, 08:33 PM
.... :rolleyes:

Also, a 24 rear doesn't really hold you back until you get to at least the SemiPro level. In the pack, the Big Hit riders aren't any slower than the 26" rear riders because of the bikes... I'm not any faster on a 26/26 Banshee than I am on my 24 rear.

It's all about the rider...

and even on the semipro level...dont expect more than a couple seconds out of going to a 26.
BIKER KNOB
10-19-2003, 11:28 PM
you should look into a Giant DH Comp or Team. They are a SWEEET!!! race bike.
i'm getting one in the next few weeks.
trail worker
10-19-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by BAC5.2
If it's your first race, you should be more worried with actually finishing the race.
exactly.


Originally posted by bbike
I used to race xc, to show my skill at that, put it this way, there were several companys wanting to sponser me. Personaly, I dont see dh as that different, just with more whoops and jumps. In the single track sections, i was going the same speed as the amature (adult) class. Finishing the race is not a problem, I have the same chance as any of the other riders. I have also decided that i will not want a DH race only bike.
:rolleyes:
If i could put sarcasm into my typing,i would.but i can't,so i will have to settle on these smily's,which actually convey my standpoint on you're dumb comments.i'm sorry,racing DH vs. XC is completely different.only similar aspect is that in either case you are racing other people,and you're clocked.
that's it.
BAC5.2
10-19-2003, 11:47 PM
And you are on a bike :)
Zedbra
10-19-2003, 11:53 PM
Get a used Turner. Don't kid yourself on the others.

http://www.pseudocool.com/ian/turner1.jpg
BAC5.2
10-19-2003, 11:58 PM
That stem is wicked tall!
WBC
10-20-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by trail worker
exactly.



:rolleyes:
If i could put sarcasm into my typing,i would.but i can't,so i will have to settle on these smily's,which actually convey my standpoint on you're dumb comments.i'm sorry,racing DH vs. XC is completely different.only similar aspect is that in either case you are racing other people,and you're clocked.
that's it.

I think you're forgetting that his entire story is bullshit. :lol:
bbike
10-20-2003, 12:48 PM
what is so bullshit, yes, dh and xc are very different, i am not trying to say that because you can do one, you can do the other. If this is what every body recieved out of my wrightings, well, i did lie then, all i was trying to say that some dh and xc techniqes are very similar. Also, i am not looking at buying this bike now, i love my bighit for dh, i am talking about a bike for the future. but back to the xc story, well, i got my braking, turning, techniques from riding xc, and i got my smoother pedal stroke from rodebike (only rode them for 1 year, but it helped some) and i learned to jump from riding bmx. If i made my self sound pro or somthing, then you misimplied of what i was trying to say. i am not that good at it, i was just told that i was exelent for someones first time. Im not exactly a begginer though, i still do 15 foot drops.
snowboarder
10-20-2003, 04:23 PM
i can do 15.00001ft drops:rolleyes: honestly tho anybody can do a drop. it doesn't show any skill, it just shows that you have balls.
snowboarder
10-20-2003, 04:37 PM
Also on another forum i read that some guys broke his V10 at a race in PA and used his buddies iron horse sgs pro and couldn't believe how well the suspension preformed.

another good example to this thread is Aaron Chase and Cedric Gracia, They both ride for cannondell and the gemini's arent god of all bikes. but these can rip like nothing. and from taking a run down with my dads rented gemini, i can say a big hit takes the pie. it's all about how you push yourself.
WBC
10-20-2003, 04:38 PM
seriously. And first you say repeatedly (in several threads) that you had companies looking at you for serious sponsorship...no you're retracting? You said during an XC race you ventured off-piste into an avalanche area and did 15-20 foot drops by accident.

Yeah, ok.
bbike
10-20-2003, 05:28 PM
there were 2 companys that were looking at sponsering me for a "junior" sponsership, not qite the real deal. I was 15 then.


I'm sorry WBC, but i am not retracting what i say, I forgot to add in that it was for junior sponsership, and as for the avalanche area thing, I ALMOST KILLED MY SELF. I almost went over the bars into some rocks several times, it came to a point were i just jumped off my bike once i found a grassy area.
Sinister_Bikes
10-23-2003, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by BAC5.2
I would imagine close to 2k frame and shock. I doubt you can buy it complete.

You'll get a better deal and a better ride if you build it up though.

The frame price is $2,250.00 with a Romic rear shock and despite what you've heard, you can buy the R9 as a complete bike.

We offer 2 builds an R9 Team which will retail for $3.358.00 (US) and the R9 Privateer which will retail for $2,802.00 (US). We'll have the specs on the site in the next few days, but I will say they are solid and are all brand name stuff.
bbike
10-23-2003, 02:36 PM
holy crap that is cheap, a complete dh quality bike for under 4k, wow, could you please give me an idea of what quality specs, i just need to know front fork rear shock and rims, and brakes for the team.
BAC5.2
10-23-2003, 02:45 PM
Sinister - I was unsure about offering it as a complete bike. Seems that with a frame that pimptacular, it was really meant to be built up custom style.

Those are AMAZING prices though! Wow! Is the R9 a dedicated racer or what? Huckable? If so, I've got a friend ready to drop the coin on the Team I would imagine :)
bbike
10-23-2003, 02:47 PM
I just cant believe how CHEAP, since i am not working at a specialized retailer anymore, the sinister r9 is looking better than ever, sinister, could you please give me a name of a bike that has similar handlings?, and also, is there a brake therapy kit for it? thanks
snowboarder
10-23-2003, 03:31 PM
why would you put brake therapy on a 4 bar suspension anyway? kind of stupid imo.:???:
BAC5.2
10-23-2003, 03:37 PM
4-bar is nothing but a single pivot with a shock that actuates differently.

If it's non-horst, then it would probably benefit from a floating brake.
Sinister_Bikes
10-23-2003, 03:41 PM
Here a look at the specs: http://www.sinisterbikes.com/r9complete.htm

Let me know what you think.

BTW: The prices I quoted are in US dollars not Canadian.
bbike
10-23-2003, 03:48 PM
SOLD, as soon as i get the money, its yours, keep those specs just as they are, perfect, you are going to get tons of buisness with specs and prices like those, so you will not get brake jack with that bike? right?
BAC5.2
10-23-2003, 03:50 PM
Jesus dude, that is a MONEY spec!

What hubs are you looking at? And more importantly, will you allow substitutions (i.e. Truvativ Gigapipe instead of the Race Face BB)?

wow. You'll sell a million of those.

Is it "Race only" or a huckster?
bbike
10-23-2003, 03:56 PM
yes, what is the bike designed for? and how much does it way?
Sinister_Bikes
10-23-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by bbike
so you will not get brake jack with that bike? right?

The FTW Linkage used in the R9 is Frank’s brain child and a design he’s been refining over the last 5 years. R9 stands for Revision 9, the bike has been built, tested and re-built nine times. That being said we do not offer a floating mount, because we do not think it’s necessary. Frank has been tweaking the pivot locations, so that the brake jack which is normally associated with non-horst link bikes is all but non-existent.

I hope this helps.
Sinister_Bikes
10-23-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by BAC5.2
Jesus dude, that is a MONEY spec!

What hubs are you looking at? And more importantly, will you allow substitutions (i.e. Truvativ Gigapipe instead of the Race Face BB)?

wow. You'll sell a million of those.

Is it "Race only" or a huckster?

The hubs are Sun/Ringle'.

Sorry no substitutions will be avalaible at this time.

As far as the R9's purpose, it's built as a race rig and weighs in at 10.5lbs with a Romic shock. But it's definitely a huckable machine, Frank is very good at saving weigh were it counts and adding strength where it really matters.
bbike
10-23-2003, 04:50 PM
thats just a great bike your selling, i live in MA also, i am from CapeCod:) . When do you think you will be releasing this beast? thanks
Sinister_Bikes
10-24-2003, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by bbike
thats just a great bike your selling, i live in MA also, i am from CapeCod:) . When do you think you will be releasing this beast? thanks

We should be rolling them out the first of the new year.