pure ignorance.... or am I wrong here?

[evanius]

Having a great weekend at Whistler. We've already done numerous laps on DM and a line. Around 1 today, we take another run on A line after hooking up with a couple other friends. I am third in our group down the trail, and as we seem to have hit a lull in traffic we keep cruising all the way down.

Getting to the a line rock drop, the 2 guys in front take the long way around rather than airing or rolling the rock face. Lately I have been going off the middle of the drop, just doing a little pop, trying to avoid the varouis rocks and holes on the tranny. As I roll to the edge and off, I hear a guy yell "watch out for my bike!" I am horrified to look down and see some dude's bike lying in the middle of the tranny right where I am about to land! I am past the point of no return, and am halfway down before he even finishes his sentence. Out of the corner of my eye I see him off to the side in the trees doing god knows what. My front tire hits inches from his bike and as I pile into it, I am thrown hard, ass over tea-kettle, and roll to a stop near the berm.

Completely winded, I am unable to talk, and only interested in self preservation as I drag myself off the trail to safety. By some miracle my buddy T (who was right on my tail) barely manages to avoid the carnage, but still blows out 5 spokes on landing. Now, my first thought after a crash is always to clear my bike and myself out of harms way. Especially at whistler, and extraespecially on a trail like a-line. But after 20-30 seconds, I am in the clear and this ignorant prick is still in the trees and his bike is still blocking the tranny. Thankfully no other riders have come by yet. T yells at him, "get your fucking bike off the trail," and finally he does just before a mass train of speed demons comes roaring thru. How fortunate for them.

Am i wrong to be pissed at this guy? I mean there is some risk we must all accept - he could have been seriously hurt and unable to move, or he could have just bailed, so it will take a few seconds to shake the cobwebs and untangle errant limbs from twisted bike parts. But this guy and his bike seemed fine, and he was well away from his bike and taking taking his sweet time - I am not exaggerating the time scale here, folks. So after watching this all unfold he finds his shoe and takes off without so much as an apology or a "hey dude are you ok?" That's horse-shit if you ask me. This guy is a total coward. Meanwhile I am left sitting there with my buddies and my fractured wrist (glory photos soon!) My season is over because this guy thought it was more important to find his freaking shoe than to clear the trail for others. It could have been any one of you in my position, on any number of jumps. Are we all supposed to stop and take a look at every jump before hitting it? Or is it reasonable to expect that tranny's will be clear, or if not, that the dude will at least make a reasonable attempt to warn you. None of that "hey man watch my bike bullshit" when it is already too late.

Have any of you had similar experiences? I'm sure we have all encountered numbnuts like this. I would love to get a piece of this guy's ass, so if anyone knows of a guy (age 18 or so) telling a matching story and riding a grey dually, probably with V10 treadmarks on the left hand side, kick him hard in the nuts for me. IMO it he deserves it.

I hope none of you suffer this same fate as me!

ps, special thanks to patrollers Kira and James and the Whistler clinicfor helping me out - you guys are awesome. From trailside to plaster cast in 2 just hours!

[IFO]

u or your buddy should have smoked him....

i dotn know what it is about Whistler but u NEVER see these stupid things happen on any other mtn i have been on...

im sure m33p will have some choice words for this thread...


:D

i have had my share of "holy shit" moments caused by stupid people but they arent special enuf to bother typing out....

u really have to ride and pay 110% attention to teh trail ahead. cuz stupid people on A-line are everywhere having their picnics and setting up lemon stands.....:mad:

[Leifless]

i ve only been to whistler once, but the sheer number of stupid people blew me away. it seems that some people cant grasp what is going on at the skihills where trails get that much traffic. that brings to mind a certain person i was at whistler with, who stood in the middle of the rock drop just begging to be run over.
but if this guy deliberatley left his bike on the tranny, he should get his pass pulled i think. it is too obvious that you should not leave anything in the way in such a spot.

[FullMonty]

I seriously think that as a requirement of getting a bike park pass (both season and day,) you must pass an exam that outlines certain expectations that must be met when on the hill. Simple things, like when you hear someone yelling "ON YOUR LEFT!!!!!" stay to the right of the trail. Don't stop in the MIDDLE of takeoffs or landings. If you want to scope the jump, fair enough, but stand on the SIDE. Anyway, I haven't had too many bad incidents at Whistler, probably because I was usually there on a Tuesday or Wednesday. I think I'll subscribe to the m33p school of passing for next year, though. Just blow by 'em, because EVERY time I yell "on your left!" they swerve into me when I'm right beside them.

[flowride]

the fools are breading more fools god HELP US ALL!

[FullMonty]

That's the ticket! Any n00b that rides down A-line and holds things up or stands in the middle of the jump gets neutered or spayed so that they can't reproduce! :rolleyes:

[free ryder]

that happened to me out in maple ridge some little shit decided to stop in the middle of the trail . I wouldn't of been so pist off if he had wiped out or something but no he decided to take a breather he left his gear and bike on the course . I ended up hitting his pac and not his ride but I know how you feel and ya get pits off on the idiots at whistler or any where you come across them if they leave there bikes or gear on the trail they deserve to get hit

[BigHit-Maniac]

What a fuckin MORON.

I had a very similiar experience out in Colorado...

I was bombing down a singletrack DH section... and some dumb lady and her kids are standing right in the middle of the fucking trail. It's obviously a DOWNHILL trail because there's signs EVERYWHERE that say no hiking (picture of a crossed out hiker, etc) . So what happens when I'm approaching at like 35 MPH? She stands still as a fricken rock and I almost have to BAIL into a tree.

I stop right past her... and say "LADY! Can't you READ the sign!!!" and pedal off in a hurry.

People are soo fuckin STUPID.

I hear ya man. You shoulda kicked that guy square in the nut-sack.
:mad:

[KamaKazi]

i know how you feel about people leaving their bike in bad places or stoping where no safe. i ate it hard on dirt merchant because some jerk had to completely stop right infront of me on one of the step downs so he could roll it. i tried to stop but going full out you can't really stop in a distance of 3 feet, i ended up nose casing and getting shot into the bottom of the tranny. another time some kid hit a tree on a-line(he was fine, the tree was in worse shape than he was) but his dad left their bikes in the middle of a blind berm and i was leading a group of about 6 guys through there again at full speed as 3 of us had next to no brakes. i ended up hitting the bikes and i cost me a derailleur, chain, chain ring, rotor, disc adapter and a pedal.

i can admit to blocking the trail once when i didn't land a hip jump and ended up sideways on the trail and just as i was picking up my bike some guy came ripping through. at first he spazed but then realized i went down and had some forgiveness

[Bryce]

ya gotta be prepared for idiots at Whis

last year I landed on someone's bike. Landed OK, nothing broken, but the XC bike I landed on made a horrible sound - I think the frame bent/broke. If the owner is reading this, haha!

[m33p]

m33p's rule of Whistler.

1. If you see a moron leave his bike on the trail or in the middle of the trail, while he stands there. Yell various words like "move your fucking bike you stupid fucking idiot" ,Seems to get there attention well. No nice sayings like "please move your bike" they do not help the cause.

2. Pass without warning, if your going fast enough, they won't react till your gone, and behind you. Being better for you and them because they dont hear you and get all sketch and move over left. if your a little slower say things like "passing" less confusion, just hang back till they move till one side.

3. Remind more people of being fucking morons.

4. Someone does that again, walk up and punch them in the face, luckily, no one has left there bike for me to hit and crash. it's inevitable tho.

5. Follow me and I'll clear the way. Just watch out for carnage.

I feel your pain, I hit 4 people in 1 day this year, 4 PEOPLE.
It's not getting very fun, and it sucks ass to be out for some time. Being 230 pounds pays off tho, I seem to move people when I hit them
:???: :lol:

[Cucumber Jones]

Originally posted by m33p
m33p's rule of Whistler.

1. If you see a moron leave his bike on the trail or in the middle of the trail, while he stands there. Yell various words like "move your fucking bike you stupid fucking idiot" ,Seems to get there attention well. No nice sayings like "please move your bike" they do not help the cause.

2. Pass without warning, if your going fast enough, they won't react till your gone, and behind you. Being better for you and them because they dont hear you and get all sketch and move over left. if your a little slower say things like "passing" less confusion, just hang back till they move till one side.

3. Remind more people of being fucking morons.

4. Someone does that again, walk up and punch them in the face, luckily, no one has left there bike for me to hit and crash. it's inevitable tho.

5. Follow me and I'll clear the way. Just watch out for carnage.

I feel your pain, I hit 4 people in 1 day this year, 4 PEOPLE.
It's not getting very fun, and it sucks ass to be out for some time. Being 230 pounds pays off tho, I seem to move people when I hit them
:???: :lol:

Don't get me wrong Whistler is a gong show. I had to incourage people out of may way all day long.

However, are you not a Watson hater for the Proto wheel collision two years ago? Watson was just running someone over who was in his way. Sounds like something you would be all for?!?

[Grimace]

they should have no stopping at anytime signs

[c2skyrida]

m33p - I gotta ride with you man. I love your style! :D I don't give a flying f*ck what the politically correct want - if someones standing around on my trail and they ain't hurt bad, they need to be told to move the f*ck outa the way. I agree with the passing rule - if you warn 'em, 9 times outa 10 they cut you off worse because they panic and/or can't hear you. Just time it well, and blow 'em aside. Once they realize what's up it's too late. As for the rock drop. That is spectator central and someday someone is going to eat it worse than they already have. Whistler needs some signage advising gawkers to stay off the trail. Remember - when in doubt, punch 'em out!

m33p: At 230lbs you'd make a great wingman for my mouthy 175lb obnoxious ass! What're you riding?

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by Seb
i hate it when people stand in the middle of the trail
ive nearly hit a few
i am not the fastest biker so if i know theres a fast person behind me i pull off to the side and let them pass
when i was there about a month ago with a friend of mine, on our first run he wanted to scope out the aline drop
i pull to the left and put my bike in the bushes and wait
my friend stands RIGHT in the middle of the top of the drop, not paying attention to anyone behind him
about 4 people came flying around the corner then slam on their brakes to avoid him, one guy nearly falling off the drop while stopping
i spent 10 minutes apologizing for my friends stupidity


was that that kid on the stinky?
He didnt seem to smart that guy.. lol


Leif: i wonder who that guy was hey ? Ryan..

When i was in whistler i almost hit the queer witha cannondale and pinkstreamers, he crashed and was jsut sitting there i nthe middle, i jsut barely swevered to avoid him, jsut barely missing his ugly face with my pedal of death .

good times whistler is :)

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by Seb
lol ya
it was him
then on the last run of the day when we went down with you guys he fell and just stood there for 5 mins
he wasnt hurt or anything, he just stood there in everyones way

ahah i know, i came around the corner and he was jsut standing there... ahah i could her him making excuses to why he fell as i rode by :)

[m33p]

Originally posted by Cucumber Jones
Don't get me wrong Whistler is a gong show. I had to incourage people out of may way all day long.

However, are you not a Watson hater for the Proto wheel collision two years ago? Watson was just running someone over who was in his way. Sounds like something you would be all for?!?

Because Proto's bike was at by the bike wash station, not on the trail? I see you must have walked into THE COVE BIKE SHOP to ask for the TRUE STORY.

What you got was a COVERUP of LIES.

[WBC]

One way to look at it:

Whistler is so easy...This way we at least bring some true thrill back into it. Consider it the same as jumping between trees or death gaps. :)

I just think of it as an extra element of the trail and it doesnt bother me so much...I'm pretty laid back actually, haha.

HOWEVER, I have come within inches of pulling a full on disaster on people more than a few times. I've also actually hit people in air and on the ground as well. I've just been lucky enough so that it was never a huge impact.

But again, I'm over 200lbs :)

[Oldfart]

You're right to be upset. The only excuse for the bike being in the landing zone is an injury. Even then, if the injury isn't too bad an effort must be made to get the bike out of the way to prevent further injuries, like the time I blew my knee skiing Fisheye on Whistler. That run has a roll over bump at the end and that's where I ended up. On the snow unable to walk. I had dislocated the knee, tore the ACL and MCL, torn miniscus and small fractures on the femur and tibia. But I remained aware that I was in a bad spot because skiers from above could not see me. I stuck a pole in the air, got the skis off and strapped together, telemark stuff no brakes or release, and then I managed to scuffle over to the edge of the run. I mean you have to be aware of your surroundings and other trail users.

If buddy was taking a leak and left his bike on purpose, he deserves a severe consequence of some sort. If you were injured because he was negligent , he owes you. If you ever find out who it was sue his ass. Probably the only way he'll learn that there are consequences to stupidity.

It seems people in todays society forget they share the planet with others. They drive like they are the only ones on the road, hell, they grocery shop like they are the only ones in the store. I've started moving shopping carts when they leave them in stupid places. I move them far. Like the next aisle. Or do like my old man. He's 81 and enjoys ramming them out of the way grumbling all the while. No one messes with a grumpy old man. I'm getting there I tell you. Yesterday on Bottletop a group of 4 or 5 armoured lads were standing at the top a small climb on the trail. They stood there and looked at me....riding at them....riding at them.....RIDING... oh... last minute they move off the trail. Pay attention boys...too late I had to put a foot out...no big deal really. I wonder if they noticed me off the trail a minute later doing an air pressure adjustment. They were apologetic when I caught back up at the very bottom and they were walking the last corner.

[NickS]

Ya my bros had a similar experiance at the same place. We had been doing the drop but after a run with super t and him doing the jump with a big trick over it we started to do that, anyway some doumb fuck kids were standing in the landing of the jump we some smoking off it with my bro in the lead we tryed to stop but couldn't and mowed them all down. Luckinly we and our bikes were all fine so we were like stay the fuck out of the landing and left. Theres way to many stupid people at whistler. ALso when we were riding dirt merchant this guy Lars we were riding with hucked the big drop on it and cleared a kid under neath him. THe kid was scared shitless so we though that would be enough of a lesson and we left.

[WBC]

Originally posted by NickS
Ya my bros had a similar experiance at the same place. We had been doing the drop but after a run with super t and him doing the jump with a big trick over it we started to do that, anyway some doumb fuck kids were standing in the landing of the jump we some smoking off it with my bro in the lead we tryed to stop but couldn't and mowed them all down. Luckinly we and our bikes were all fine so we were like stay the fuck out of the landing and left. Theres way to many stupid people at whistler. ALso when we were riding dirt merchant this guy Lars we were riding with hucked the big drop on it and cleared a kid under neath him. THe kid was scared shitless so we though that would be enough of a lesson and we left.

you sure do talk hard for being a sub5' prepubescent. :)

[Jake the Trog]

I hate people without common sense, if i had a broken leg i would still manage to move my bike, i dont like killing people:)

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by Seb
there has only been 1 time i had to be in someones way when i fell boarding/biking, but it was because i smashed my face/head on a rail and i think i mihgt have blacked out for a second, i cant really rememebr if i did
when i fall biking or baording i ALWAYS move out of the way

wahtever
you go in my way so many times and wouldnt let me pass :mad:

[wickedmcdougle]

Last week at whistler I was riding my reaper (hardtail) on the last run of the day, and my hands hurt like a bitch. I was making every tranny on a-line, but going a bit slower to give my hands a break. Then this dickwad comes up behind me and starts flippin out, and right after the trail goes under the bridge, he tries to buzz my back tire. So I turn around to see what the fuck he's up to, and hit the jump with out looking. I land sideways, squirrel around, and fly into the bush. Dickwad rides off without a word, but thankfully my buddy was a bit further down to give him a earfull. I know im ranting, but godammmmit!!!!

[chopcity]

Originally posted by m33p
m33p's rule of Whistler.


5. Follow me and I'll clear the way. Just watch out for carnage.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[DangerousDean]

Originally posted by Seb
did i really
hmmm
did you say you were going to pass? if you did i ahve no idea why i wouldnt get out of the way
I was yellin an screamin you noobie go back to b-line:rolleyes: ;)

[fr33k]

Originally posted by c2skyrida


m33p: At 230lbs you'd make a great wingman for my mouthy 175lb obnoxious ass! What're you riding? Thats nothing. One day the m33pster, proto, builttoride and myself were doing are usual whoring of aline vps wrecking krew style. When some shmuck decided to skid to a stopsideways in the middle of the trail to talk to his buddies who had to wait for this slow ass biatch. Well i didnt hit the brakes..just plowed right into him. Tee-boned him to be exact. Fucker went flying. Bike in one direction and him down the trail. As I was riding over this biatch his hydration pack got hooked into my pedal. Fucker got dragged atleast 10 feet if not more before he was spit out . The Meaning to all this.if you got the weight and speed dont stop, try and save the guy whos in the way, or crash into the bushes.just run the fool over.

[FullMonty]

I need to get me some chest armour... I need to get some n00b-owning equipment.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by fr33k
T doing are usual whoring of aline vps wrecking krew style......just run the fool over.

Whoring of A-line - that sums it all up so well. Smack that slut down and run over da fools who stand and watch the carnage. Let them eat VPS and the lesson will be learned.

[Ashek]

Holy shit, listen to yourselves.
Activly going out and smashing into people just because their in your way? are you fucking sociopaths?
Have you no realization that 45lbs of steel + 200pounds of flesh going at 35km can tear a tree apart, much less kill a person.
Think for a minute before plowing into people you inconsiderate retards.
And you wonder why mountain bikers have a bad rap when it comes to community groups.

[Bryce]

Originally posted by Ashek
Think for a minute before plowing into people you inconsiderate retards.

Yeah, make sure your brakes levers are loose enough to rotate on impact if necesary

[JoeC]

Originally posted by fr33k
Thats nothing. One day the m33pster, proto, builttoride and myself were doing are usual whoring of aline vps wrecking krew style. When some shmuck decided to skid to a stopsideways in the middle of the trail to talk to his buddies who had to wait for this slow ass biatch. Well i didnt hit the brakes..just plowed right into him. Tee-boned him to be exact. Fucker went flying. Bike in one direction and him down the trail. As I was riding over this biatch his hydration pack got hooked into my pedal. Fucker got dragged atleast 10 feet if not more before he was spit out . The Meaning to all this.if you got the weight and speed dont stop, try and save the guy whos in the way, or crash into the bushes.just run the fool over.

:lol::lol:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D :D

n00b got owned :cuffs:

[Oldfart]

Do they not have any sort of rider responsibility code posted at the lift base and at at the top? Sounds like they need to set down some basic rules of courtesy and safety.

In skiing, the skier below has the right of way because he or she cannot see behind them. If you stop, you are supposed to do so at the edge of the run and where you can seen by overtaking skiers. You have to look up the hill before you start off again too. It seems to me that if your riding the park and come up on some one, you might be better off stopping off to the side for a moment to let a little gap open up. The slower rider paid his or her money too. That said, if your slow or unskilled, stay off the expert runs until you're up for it, or go when there aren't many people around.

It seems like common sense and common courtesy. What surprises me is that some people need to be told.

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Bryce
Yeah, make sure your brakes levers are loose enough to rotate on impact if necesary now thats fuckin funny.

[Biking Fiend]

vps wreckin crew styles, im not a huge ogre like the rest of them but i can own with the best.

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Biking Fiend
vps wreckin crew styles, im not a huge ogre like the rest of them but i can own with the best. your just a noob. You need a bit more asshole in your attitude to hang with the boy's

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by fr33k
your just a noob. You need a bit more asshole in your attitude to hang with the boy's

stfu baldy, i think i need to own u again

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Biking Fiend
stfu baldy, i think i need to own u again you own me?????????????? that will be the day. I seam to remeber when the race was on.I got to the bottom first. The first time in the morning when we went down, I was busy looking at your milf girlfreinds behind for the first few parts of a-line.:D

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by fr33k
you own me?????????????? that will be the day. I seam to remeber when the race was on.I got to the bottom first. The first time in the morning when we went down, I was busy looking at your milf girlfreinds behind for the first few parts of a-line.:D

i dont remember this, everytime weve gone down i always come out ahead of you by a bit

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Biking Fiend
i dont remember this, everytime weve gone down i always come out ahead of you by a bit huh? you blind boy ? last year this year..................i own you, you punk ass biatch ;)

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by fr33k
huh? you blind boy ? last year this year..................i own you, you punk ass biatch ;)

i think this needs to be settled again, weight has nothin to do with owning

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Biking Fiend
i think this needs to be settled again, weight has nothin to do with owning you name the time fruity pants. Just renew your disability insurance before we head down the trail.

[m33p]

How bout you both shut up because I'm the undefeated A-Line King, Ross, Jarone, Chris M, all have been lost in my wake.