yes, another whistler rant

[wilkez]

yes this topic has been carried on FOREVER and you are all probably very tired of hearing about it, but i really need to get this out.

yes you probably all think im one of those stuck up asshole downhill racers that whores a-line all day non stop plowing over everything in sight, but i'm not. yes i ride fast at whistler, but thats how its made to be ridden. yes i pass people on a-line, but i dont yell at them and tell them to get the fuck out. that being said, here's the actual story...

everybody knows what a saturday is like at whistler on a sunny day, busy as hell. you know what a run down a-line is like with 100 people on it at a time. but im going down at a normal riding pace and cruisin along. i come around a corner before a jump following a dude on a bike. he was going at a good pace as well, but we come up to the jump and the guy slams his brakes on when he hits the top of the jump. he almost comes to a complete stop on top of the jump. meaniwhile im going at the speed he was around the corner, fairly fast. his stop forces me to. so theres me and him sitting on top of a big jump on aline, so i said "dude look out get off to the side, you cant stop on top of the jumps or you're going to kill people." nigel was there, i wasnt even mean about it. i said it in a nice tone trying to help the poor guy out. guess what response i get..."HEY FUCK OFF ASSHOLE!"

so i go down and wait at the next GOOD palce to stop off the side of the trail, which happened to be that road you turn off to crab apple. when he comes back down the trail i waved and got him to stop to explain myself. i told him that its not safe to stand on the jumps becuase people are going fast to clear them and that if he wants to stop he should stop in places wehre hes not going to get creamed. once again i was nice about it, and i guess he felt bad and appologized for what he said. but seriously, i was thinking in my head "god you ignorant sack of shit, get a brain." i can understand somebody acting like that if a fast person yells at them the same way, but all i was trying to do was help the poor guy, and look at what i get.

later on that day im cruisin' down the shale section of a-line. i guess recently they upgraded a-line and made that shale part wide enough for 2 people now. as i come over the top of the hill, i see 2 people, a mom and a kid, going real slow down one side. so im going down like any advanced rider (who the trail is designed for) would do. so i come down and say "im passing on your left guys." for some reason that mean "oh ill move over to the left side a guess" for some people and the kid makes a mad lane change into me. the kid rides off but i get tossed and roll down 20 feet into the safety net at the bottom of the shale part, where mom decides to stop and cow me out. "you fucking asshole learn how to ride your bike, you cant go fast and that was a small kid what the fuck are you doing?!?!" that pissed me right the hell off. but once again i kept my composure and nicely explained it to her that aline is an experts only trail, and at the top the sign says "high speed jumps ahead." she went on about how the mountain in a place for everybody and blah blah blah so i said, "ok i know thats fine you have every right to ride here, but if youre not an advanced rider like the trail says and are not keeping up even a moderate pace down the trail, you shouldn't try riding it on probably the busiest day of the year. and if you are going to ride it, make sure your kids know that if people ask them to pass, they cant switch lanes and run into them." she went on again about how much of an asshole i am and that i should get my pass taken away and rode off.

so that's my story of whistler on a saturday afternoon with raging people on me, even when i was nice and tried to help. this just goes to show that many people up there deserve the treatment some people give them.

at least whistler is trying to solve the problem. on the garbanzo tour the guides were telling nigel and i how they are not going to allow people on the garbanzo lift if they dont have proper equipment and dont look ready. hopefully this solves some problems...they are also going to have big huge signs all over the place for people to actually read and understand what they are getting themselves into.

ok let me have it now

[.243racer]

i fully understand man.... but if you were the woman, the fact for her is that you ran over her kid:rolleyes:

btw.... how do you get your text blue?

[FruitOfTheLude]

you do play a fine violin:D

dude that stuff ahppens to everyone. tere aer so many people in this world that are so ignorant its unbelievable. no offence to the girls but a lot of women are really bad for it they have rationalization problems i swear

[big_hit_biker]

you should have beat them up... :rolleyes:

[gooch]

*yawn* fyi the last part of aline can be accessed from runs other than just aline. They may have been on a non expert run and mistakenly gotten onto that part.

btw I really don't care what run, or where you were riding, but if I was in the same situation, regardless of how I got there and you ran over my kid. The next wheeled vehichle you were riding would be a gurney

[NooNer]

see if you ddnt say passing on your left they probably wouldnt have moved. at least i dont tell ppl im passing, i just do it, never had probs with it either, but good on you for keeping level headed about it.

[trout]

With so many people bitching about whistler, I wonder why the lineups are so long. I think if you were having such lame experiences you would ride somewhere else on a sunny weekend.

[wilkez]

by the way i didnt run the kid over, i didnt even touch the kid. i just went into a power skid off the trail when he changed lanes in front of me when i said im passing.

i guess theres more points to this situation that can be argued on their behalf, but my basic point is that if i try to help you out or offer you advice to keep your head on in a nice, pleasant mature way, dont cow me out, listen.

[shore_rider]

theres so many slow people goin down a line now i think they should turn it into a blue run and build a new a line with gaps that way u can keep people off of it

ryan

[Shmoe]

I rode aline on one of the least busy days of the year, people were still stoped in the middle of the trail. A kid was standing at the bottom of the rock drop 'measuring' how big the thing was while people were comming down, I launched it and came inches away from smoking him.. Dirt merchant was better for some reason?

Aline is an easy trail, but ultra fun.. My dad ripped down it on his xc bike and he didn't get passed/bothered once, he even attempted some tables and whips.. :lol: I think the problem is, the easiest part of aline is at the start, so lots of people get the wrong impression of the trail.

[IFO]

see this is exactly why im a asshole on A-line....

if your nice to people u just put yourself in harms way...

whereas if you wait till your on their ass and scream in their ear "on your left" they will instinctivly move away from the noise...

its basic human nature...

i would have torn a strip off that mom so bad she'd still be there crying at teh side of the trail....

haahh she yelled at you for rding A-line the way its supposed to be ridden, thats rich.... stupid bitch....

[wilkez]

Originally posted by IFO
see this is exactly why im a asshole on A-line....

if your nice to people u just put yourself in harms way...

whereas if you wait till your on their ass and scream in their ear "on your left" they will instinctivly move away from the noise...

its basic human nature...

i would have torn a strip off that mom so bad she'd still be there crying at teh side of the trail....

haahh she yelled at you for rding A-line the way its supposed to be ridden, thats rich.... stupid bitch....


you know where im coming from, thats exactly what i meant. she cant tell me to go slow and not pass people on a high speed expert trail. i could udnerstand her cowing me out if i raged on her, but i didnt! i was nice about it

[synchro]

Originally posted by Count Blah
In all the times I have been at Whistler this year, I dont think there has been one time when I have had a full run without having someone slower in front of me.

meh, you should see all the people stacked up behind you waiting to pass.

Hey Tyler, I would have given that mom the shocker. The thing is though the rider responsibility code states that it is your responsibility to pass responsibly and when it is safe to do so. If you have to slow down and wait, so be it. It sucks, I know, but that's the way it is.

[wes side 7]

its the dumbasses that make you rethink about being a nice guy and turning into a full blown Prick! I think you did the right thing Wilkez. While you would have felt alot better if you tore a strip off both those turkeys, it wouldn't have been the "nice" thing to do.

Keep on riding your style homie!:thepimp:

[dirty-bike]

Zed and I left after only three runs yesterday cuz of the line-up and the tourists on the "advanced" runs... I followed a guy down part of middle a-line. He was ripping OK until the lip of the big kicker after the easy does it bridge. He just hammers on the binders going up the lip and practically comes to a complete stop on the top. Caught me off guard because until then he was doing a half decent clip.
We came back after riding a river runs through it for the last 1-1/2 hours and it was much better. Seemed to be only serious riders left on the mountain then.

[Zedbra]

Ya - the line up was stupid and the traffic on the trail was thick. Only fluid line was Schleyer/ National DH/ Clown Shoes.

The XC break in the day was fun, though. A group of guys were ribbing us for riding our DH bikes, and dirty-bike goes and cleans a log with step-down jumps BACKWARDS after watching his buddies eat shit one after the other, riding it the proper way down. hehe

[Niggz]

The bike whistler bike people/trail guides or whatever they are understand. We were talking to one guy ( I think his name was Tom?) and he was saying they only took the responsibility code directly from the skiing one and that doesnt really work as you don't have a huge ski run to pass people on and while you are remaining in control, much like a vehicle, you can't stop instantaniously when someone stops 10feet in front of you. Next year they will have 20 foot signs or soemthing with pictures of fully armoured people and if you don't look like them you can't ride A-line. Also, I heard talk of a "no skin showing" rule for the garbonzo chair.


Oh and gooch, I think it was, there are no more beginner trails connecting onto A-line before the shale part. I saw it was roped off and they have Lower E Z Does It over there now, I think.

[SIDESHOW]

these "whistler rants" are beat. what have we come to, really. If 5 years ago someone would've dreamt up a place like Whistler no one would've believed it possible.

now we have to be constantly listen to people bitch, like someone else said earlier, stay home. How can you ride at a place like that and get annoyed at the other folks that are out there????

yes I agree that people do dumb things, but we've all had our moments. I have had some pretty dangerous incidents with dumb people taking me out................but if you want the trail to yourself go put in the work.........go ride up a hill- enough of these stupid rants.......

[wes side 7]

:eek:

[ronald55555]

they should make the entrances to Aline super tech, so it at least looks like an advanced trail, kinda like what dm used to be.

[freeeeeerider]

If i go to whistler and im not super fast on a line, will i get run over if i stay to the side?

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

yes understandable I heard about you on the shale section though tyler:lol:

as for passing people lots of people move over the wrong way when you tell them your passing. So it's not as poliet but you should try just looking for a gap and getting through while saying thanks:) I find this helps to avoid bicycle carnage

[m33p]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
these "whistler rants" are beat. what have we come to, really. If 5 years ago someone would've dreamt up a place like Whistler no one would've believed it possible.

now we have to be constantly listen to people bitch, like someone else said earlier, stay home. How can you ride at a place like that and get annoyed at the other folks that are out there????

yes I agree that people do dumb things, but we've all had our moments. I have had some pretty dangerous incidents with dumb people taking me out................but if you want the trail to yourself go put in the work.........go ride up a hill- enough of these stupid rants.......

Shut up you goof.

I've had enough of your stupid rants.

Stupid people are stupid, that simple. I gave up being nice at whistler the second day last year, and I installed my usual fear this year. I even heard "wow that's that asshole that flew by me" in the lineup, while the guy pointed at me. I stood and laughed at him. Most people don't even hear me till I pass silently by them without them knowing. I rarely say "passing on your left" because people just moves over, and me running into you = you get hurt.

That shale section rules it tho, I went by 6 people in those 2 chutes in one run, Mach 10. It was great.

That being said, A-line isnt the only trail full of idiots, the dh, schleyer and clow shoes have there fair share of idiots, and the dh course is far more dangerous than A-line. People standing looking at rock drops, in blind corners, and at the botom of 60KM/h+ chutes.

Whistler isn't all that great anymore, the words out and everyone and their dog it there now.

[FullMonty]

Chad (reckless rider) and I were riding Schleyer, and this dad on a Giant AC air or something, and his kid on a Warp go walking down the far left side of the rock drop. We explain to them that B-line swings around, and you don't have to carry your bike the whole way. He says something to the effect of "that's nice, now fuck off" albeit not in those words. We try to be friendly, and the guy makes us feel like we're telling him to eat babies or something.

It got even better, because they went down the DH course, which Chad and I went down as well. We blew by 'em, and then found one of the patrol guys fixing the rope fence. Chad told him about these, and he just rolled his eyes and basically said "another one".

Whistler needs to push their blue trails more, in addition to better signage, like "B-Line THIS WAY" They should have that at any spot the tourists can get confused, to keep the beginners on the trails that they are safest on.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

so true good post kyle I was going to say that but was far to lazy to type all of that:lol:

I knew the guy was in trouble when he said he prefered long uphill riding...I sugested heart of darkness (because of the uphill)and he was like that's not long enough fuck off

[jro]

I think it is pretty wicked that you maintained your composure and maybe the people that you talked to did get the point after they cooled down and the lady will think it differently after she gets home and realizes that she was out of line.

[jro]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
these "whistler rants" are beat. what have we come to, really. If 5 years ago someone would've dreamt up a place like Whistler no one would've believed it possible.

now we have to be constantly listen to people bitch, like someone else said earlier, stay home. How can you ride at a place like that and get annoyed at the other folks that are out there????

yes I agree that people do dumb things, but we've all had our moments. I have had some pretty dangerous incidents with dumb people taking me out................but if you want the trail to yourself go put in the work.........go ride up a hill- enough of these stupid rants.......


TRUE these Whistler rants are beat but at least the guy is taking his frustration out here than looking like an idiot and arguing with the people on the hill and further creating more pissed off people with could cause a chain reaction. Although he could just yell at people in traffic on the way home.

[APT]

Originally posted by synchro
meh, you should see all the people stacked up behind you waiting to pass.

Hey Tyler, I would have given that mom the shocker. The thing is though the rider responsibility code states that it is your responsibility to pass responsibly and when it is safe to do so. If you have to slow down and wait, so be it. It sucks, I know, but that's the way it is.

When it is safe to do so?? Like when you passed me in the middle of a table top because I was giving some room for a slower kid in front of me??

What can I say to all the whiners? Whistler is a public place where people pay money to ride so they feel that they have a right to be there and check out everything. The signs will not solve any problem because it is human nature to be curious when you have a sign saying "experts only trail".

Just ride with smart and safe and remember that there's always a next run.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

true tyler and his minivan:thepimp:

[synchro]

Originally posted by PoserNewbie
When it is safe to do so?? Like when you passed me in the middle of a table top because I was giving some room for a slower kid in front of me??

What can I say to all the whiners? Whistler is a public place where people pay money to ride so they feel that they have a right to be there and check out everything. The signs will not solve any problem because it is human nature to be curious when you have a sign saying "experts only trail".

Just ride with smart and safe and remember that there's always a next run.

:eek:

I passed you because you had slowed down a lot , and as I go to pass you speed up?!? I didn't know why you were slowing down, mechanical maybe? I knew there was enough room to hit the table and then slow down to avoid the kid so I went for it and then all of a sudden you get on the gears. Oh well, time to go get a bigger bike and buy some more talent. ;)

[edit]
ps - the ankle still hurts btw, thanks for asking. :friend:

[freerider guy]

Originally posted by Niggz
Next year they will have 20 foot signs or soemthing with pictures of fully armoured people and if you don't look like them you can't ride A-line. Also, I heard talk of a "no skin showing" rule for the garbonzo chair.


I understand the no skin showing rule and I think it is a nice idea. But, that is gonna restrict quite a few people from going down runs. How will they monitor this if it is imposed? And will they carry over the must have a dullie rule for the garbonzo next year? cause I'm on a HT. I just don't have the bling for a dullie but I can still do just about everything.

[Party-Pants and Paul]

Yeah, I totally agree with you guys about people doing really stupid things, like standing at the bottom of a drop, should be frowned upon. People like that should keep to the easy does it trail, or warm up their jumping skills at the dirt jump park.

Ok, so...I ride a hardtail, and I suppose I am all right, but I am not at the point where I can trust myself to go super fast on some sections of trails like A-Line... I find that it is very hard to progress at whistler because there is a heavy intimidation factor, especially on trails like A-Line... the first few times I went to whistler I didn't even try A-line because of all the people who ride it really fast.
And this most recent time (Saturday, busy as hell), I found that I wanted to ride trails like joyride and shleyer but didn't because from the chair I saw lots of guys really ripping them up.

I also think that many riders don't maintain enough control on the faster trails. I know that they can make it through the corners and do the jumps, but if they ever came up to a disruption in the trail (downed rider or something) I doubt they could stop in time. Most of the guys who passed me would usually slow down a bit and make a safe pass, but then you always get the guys who seem to be absolutely addicted to the speed, to the point where they will lash out at anyone who treatens their 'fix'. Then when I get to a point where I can turn to the side of the trail and slow down to let them by (which is difficult because they are riding right on your tail, so if you slow down they will collide with you) they usually just yell and swear at me on the way past... and it's not like I am really slow or anything, I carry enough speed to clear most of the jumps...

Either way, I think the opening of the garbonzo chair will help a lot with the congestion, and trails like A-line will be a bit more intermediate friendly (by this I mean it is a trial with jumps and speed, but without the psycho's)...

phew, off to dinner I go....

[Bukkake]

I'm with sideshow. All you whistler addicts are a bunch of whiners.
Too lazy to ride up a hill and too impatient to have to slow down a bit because the person in front of you isn't a god on a bike like you are. You're a bunch of spoiled kids playing with your 5000 dollar toys in a really big sandbox.

Grow up.

[wilkez]

Originally posted by Barak
I'm with sideshow. All you whistler addicts are a bunch of whiners.
Too lazy to ride up a hill and too impatient to have to slow down a bit because the person in front of you isn't a god on a bike like you are. You're a bunch of spoiled kids playing with your 5000 dollar toys in a really big sandbox.

Grow up.


i agree, i play with my big expensive bike and go real fast, thats what a mountain is for. but in case you dont know me, ill destroy your ass on any uphill on my 5000 dollar toy, and i probably do more hard trail work that you will ever even think up in your head. I have no problem with people learning and riding the trails, in fact neither of the 2 people i dealt with did i tell to get off the fucking trail. no, i tried to help them ride the trail safely. im saying you shouldnt bitch me out if im nice to you. if i offer you advice on how to aviod a dangerous situation, listen to me. i may not be god but at least im helping you and another rider avoid serious injury.

and in case you dont know me, ill destroy your ass on any uphill on my 5000 dollar toy, and i probably do more hard trail work that you will ever even think up in your head. lazy - i think not.

think before you judge people.

[APT]

Originally posted by synchro
:eek:

I passed you because you had slowed down a lot , and as I go to pass you speed up?!? I didn't know why you were slowing down, mechanical maybe? I knew there was enough room to hit the table and then slow down to avoid the kid so I went for it and then all of a sudden you get on the gears. Oh well, time to go get a bigger bike and buy some more talent. ;)

[edit]
ps - the ankle still hurts btw, thanks for asking. :friend:

Yeah, whatever. I could still school you down a-line on my xc bike.

oh yeah, don't be a pussy about the ankle, just suck it up!!!:P

[synchro]

Originally posted by PoserNewbie
Yeah, whatever. I could still school you down a-line on my xc bike.

oh yeah, don't be a pussy about the ankle, just suck it up!!!:P

Bring it! You, me and m33p will race. Just as soon as my ankle is good.

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by wilkez
i agree, i play with my big expensive bike and go real fast. and in case you dont know me, ill destroy your ass on any uphill on my 5000 dollar toy, and i probably do more hard trail work that you will ever even think up in your head.

think before you judge people.


You're complaining about whistler dude how can I not judge you as immature? You have fully lift accessed bike heaven at your fingertips and you're whining about a little kid getting in your way. How about next time you think and come up with a better way to pass people.

[fr33k]

I have seen almost every kinda of rider on A-Line Tyler. I'm with you on this one. I think I was the first person ever to raise these points last yearon this bb. All you guys did was cry about how we were being assholes. Now you see the troubles Whistler has? I'm also like m33p....actualy even worse than him. If your in my way and ruining my day, Im passing , jumping or running you off the trail. Having said that. I will be the first person to pull over to the side to wave a faster rider by.

[barry]

Golden Rule: "On your left!" means noobs move to the left. They just freak out, and go left because they heard the word "left".
I just say "TRACK!" and always be sure to say "THANKS!" afterwards...

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by fr33k
If your in my way and ruining my day, Im passing , jumping or running you off the trail.


Thats all it takes to ruin your day!!!!!????? What the hell is wrong with you people? Relax. Count your blessings. Holy crap if that small of a thing can ruin your day than I dont see how can you EVER have a good day.

My bus is 5 minutes late....MY DAY IS RUINED!!
I'm stuck in traffic...............MY DAY IS RUINED!!!
The waitress took to long bringing me my beer........MY DAY IS JUST FUCKING RUINED!!! :rolleyes:

[fr33k]

Originally posted by Barak
Thats all it takes to ruin your day!!!!!????? What the hell is wrong with you people? Relax. Count your blessings. Holy crap if that small of a thing can ruin your day than I dont see how can you EVER have a good day.

My bus is 5 minutes late....MY DAY IS RUINED!!
I'm stuck in traffic...............MY DAY IS RUINED!!!
The waitress took to long bringing me my beer........MY DAY IS JUST FUCKING RUINED!!! :rolleyes: yes, yes, and yes.

[mike]

Originally posted by Count Blah
I always come across slow people on A-line; or well any trail for that matter. I just catch up to them and say like min. 5 feet back. My brakes squeek so it tells people that I am behind them. I wait till they pull over and let me pass or just pass at a wide spot. I always say "Thanx".
You gotta be patient. In all the times I have been at Whistler this year, I dont think there has been one time when I have had a full run without having someone slower in front of me.

i seem to remember coming up to one particular slow person on a bb7 a couple times and the same courtesy of slowing down was extended on him, but he wouldnt let me pass
slow ass

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by m33p
Shut up you goof.

I've had enough of your stupid rants.



me too they wear out my fingers, I think I'm gonna switch to short intelligent replies like yours.

ah the youth today filled with so much hate. I have been to Whistler alot this year when you and yer crew were up there, and funny I don't recall be "owned" by you, so maybe it's time you step up...................

I'm really just kidding, but I am tired of you mouthing me off, dude I don't even know you. Chill out.

[SIDESHOW]

actually I do agree that Whistler needs to address their traffic issues and look for ways to improve on the bottle-necks and looky-loos etc.

that is why I jumped in on this one, because what alot of more aggressive whistler riders are failing to see is that this is all a learning process for everyone involved.

We are setting the worldwide standard for lift access MTB terrain parks. We as the riders are part of it, in that we can help make it work better faster. I understand folks frustration as I can get down pretty quick too but........

it gets better every year, and I guess my point to guys that get bitter, is sit down and think of some ideas that might help and send them to Tom Prochaska, he will definately listen to your suggestions, and then maybe next year we'll have less of these rants.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

good sugestion there

[m33p]

Originally posted by Barak
I'm with sideshow. All you whistler addicts are a bunch of whiners.
Too lazy to ride up a hill and too impatient to have to slow down a bit because the person in front of you isn't a god on a bike like you are. You're a bunch of spoiled kids playing with your 5000 dollar toys in a really big sandbox.

Grow up.

Spoiled? Kid? God well, yes I am a god on whistler. I can ride up the hill too. This all related to lift access riding and how many runs vs riding up fromme for 18 times bla bla bla. Riding up's great till its 35+ degrees, and even then you won't ride up.

I payed for my bike, I payed for my truck to get me to whistler(were the drivers are worse than a-line, and there's no such thing as passing on your left). I'll ride the mountain how I feel.

[m33p]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
me too they wear out my fingers, I think I'm gonna switch to short intelligent replies like yours.

ah the youth today filled with so much hate. I have been to Whistler alot this year when you and yer crew were up there, and funny I don't recall be "owned" by you, so maybe it's time you step up...................

I'm really just kidding, but I am tired of you mouthing me off, dude I don't even know you. Chill out.

I've been up there maybe 6 times this year, and once with a few buddies. The crew has relaxed this year and will be back in full force next year.

I saw you on your nice peeler, was thinking of saying "Hi" but you didn't look to happy already, wouldn't wanna ruin your day more by schooling you...

People like you make my day, thanks.

[bunny]

Originally posted by fr33k
I have seen almost every kinda of rider on A-Line Tyler. I'm with you on this one. I think I was the first person ever to raise these points last yearon this bb. All you guys did was cry about how we were being assholes. Now you see the troubles Whistler has? I'm also like m33p....actualy even worse than him. If your in my way and ruining my day, Im passing , jumping or running you off the trail. Having said that. I will be the first person to pull over to the side to wave a faster rider by.


Very nice... you will run someone off the trail if they are slower than you? I have a few choice words for people like you. And M33P's not an ass... he wouldn't run me off the trail.

I am not saying people shouldn't let you pass, but pulling over doesn't always work. The first day at whistler the guy I was with told me I wasn't allowed to ride a line... Judy said fuck that and I had a blast.

I am not that fast, but I also don't hold people up. Actually the opposite... at every SAFE spot I used to stop to let people by thinking they must be faster than me... then I would get stuck behind these sunday drivers and I didn't have the confidence to pass because I was worried they would swerve in front of me at the last second. Whenever I hear someone come up behind me it's great... it gives me the motivation to pedal like hell til the trail is wide enough to slow down a bit and let them pass. But if someone comes up behind me and tries to run me off the trail I would be pretty pissed.

So now that I have put in my rant I have a solution. :)...

Everyone who wants to ride aline gets clocked for their first run and has to wear a HUGE sign on their back with their time... so when you come up behind them you know how lame they are and decide how you will pass accordingly. We could also have them colour coded for people who don't understand simple terms like left/right, and big letter D's for people that act drunk, swerving all over the place and can't hold a line.

Oh... and people like you freek would have to ride with a cowbell so all us lowly mortals would know to get the hell out of the way before you mowed us down. :P

[m33p]

Originally posted by bunny
Very nice... you will run someone off the trail if they are slower than you? I have a few choice words for people like you. And M33P's not an ass... he wouldn't run me off the trail.

I am not saying people shouldn't let you pass, but pulling over doesn't always work. The first day at whistler the guy I was with told me I wasn't allowed to ride a line... Judy said fuck that and I had a blast.

I am not that fast, but I also don't hold people up. Actually the opposite... at every SAFE spot I used to stop to let people by thinking they must be faster than me... then I would get stuck behind these sunday drivers and I didn't have the confidence to pass because I was worried they would swerve in front of me at the last second. Whenever I hear someone come up behind me it's great... it gives me the motivation to pedal like hell til the trail is wide enough to slow down a bit and let them pass. But if someone comes up behind me and tries to run me off the trail I would be pretty pissed.

So now that I have put in my rant I have a solution. :)...

Everyone who wants to ride aline gets clocked for their first run and has to wear a HUGE sign on their back with their time... so when you come up behind them you know how lame they are and decide how you will pass accordingly. We could also have them colour coded for people who don't understand simple terms like left/right, and big letter D's for people that act drunk, swerving all over the place and can't hold a line.

Oh... and people like you freek would have to ride with a cowbell so all us lowly mortals would know to get the hell out of the way before you mowed us down. :P

What if you are actually drunk, stoned and messed up riding the trail swerving at a faster speed than anyone else on the hill?

I never pass girls until they move over or actually hear/see me, never say a word. Just sit back and enjoy the view. Throw out a nice "thank you" as you cruise by.

[Furious]

Originally posted by freerider guy
And will they carry over the must have a dullie rule for the garbonzo next year? cause I'm on a HT. I just don't have the bling for a dullie but I can still do just about everything.

The HT rule makes NO SENSE whatsoever. Aaron Chase rides a hardtail, so does that mean he lacks skills? Any guy can go to Costco and buy a $179 full suspension bike. Does that mean he's good to go?

Being polite on the hill doesn't always work either.. I've followed wobbly riders down sections of A-line with more than 10 feet of space and I'll still hear the occasional "pass me on the next corner" from the rider ahead.. that works great. Sometimes I hear "Back off, asshole" which doesn't really put either rider in a good position.

I remember riding Whistler the first time and not being totally comfortable on A-line and I always pulled off when I could hear a bike approaching quickly or let a rider behind me know when I was pulling over.

Regardless I can understand how there will be some miscommunication on the winding sections or tabletops on A-line, but the part I DO NOT UNDERSTAND are the riders that rip down the shale section and then skid to a STOP on the flat section just after the shale section. It's like driving.. it's okay to slow down once you're on the highway off ramp, but it's not okay to stop..

[SIDESHOW]

next time M33P do say hi, with our 2 shitty attitudes combined we could rule the world, and I'm sure you could school me down Clown Shoes cuz I seem to have forgoten how to ride logs.....................but a line??? be careful what you wish for. at the end of the day we may have to call it a draw.

[free ryder]

aline is an experts only trail, like the sign says so thoes people should have not been on it

[madmotherhucker]

why not put mandatory five foot drops at all aline entrances? if you can huck that you should be fine fer speed.

[GrimJack]

Originally posted by madmotherhucker
why not put mandatory five foot drops at all aline entrances? if you can huck that you should be fine fer speed.
This is the best idea I've heard to date. The entrance to A-Line looks far too easy, and you get a lot of curious tourists because of it. Now if the entrance looked DAMN SCARY, you'd get a lot less.

Bunny's idea is good too. Just put the racer's dinner plate on the rear. :)

[parksvilleguy]

totally understanable, and good for you for keepin ur cool.

the one time i was in whistler ridin i never had a problem, even when i crashed out hard on aline and held a few ppl up, they just took it as it came and didnt make a big deal about it....at least ur just like them

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by bunny
Oh... and people like you freek would have to ride with a cowbell so all us lowly mortals would know to get the hell out of the way before you mowed us down. :P

ahahaha! nice one ;)

i agree that there's a problem with some of the riders at whistler, but .. can't we all get along? half the people that rant on here about it are actually less vituperative in person. maybe this is just our way of blowing off steam :P

[dewdle]

the problem with whistler isn't the people, it's the trails. has anyone on here ever actually ridden a blue trail up there more than a couple of times?!? they're horrible stepping stones to the black runs.

there are plenty of riders out there whose idea of mountain biking centers around whistler. put these people on the shore and they would die, they know little of single track. to them fast, wide and flowy is what it's all about. which means the only place for them to go from b-line is a-line.

especially with the trend i've seen in the past few weeks of building up the tables on a-line (damn, i could clear those last week!), where's the 'c-line' with small, intermediate tables that those looking for something a little more difficult (but not ready for the big leagues) can learn on?

that said, i noticed a new trend on a-line on saturday - more than one person riding with butt on seat the whole way down, that can't be a whole lot of fun!!

[c2skyrida]

Do what the locals do - skip the overcrowded weekends (prior to end of season) and ride mid-week. On second thought - don't. I like having it to myself. Somebody made a good point earlier. Build kick ass drops at the start of EVERY black diamond trail. Except - don't make an "easy route" around. If you can drop in, then you can ride regardless of whether you have a $6000 full-squish, or a $900 hardtail. They could even set it up like the terrain parks in winter. Have a separate pass for certain trails. You should have to pass a timed test down the trail to get a seasons pass. Of course all the damn day ticket riders would throw a wrench in my plan. F*ck.

[dewdle]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Build kick ass drops at the start of EVERY black diamond trail. Except - don't make an "easy route" around. If you can drop in, then you can ride regardless of whether you have a $6000 full-squish, or a $900 hardtail.

since when is your ability to huck yourself off a cliff a test of speed? i've seen an awful lot of unskilled riders throw themselves off drops they weren't ready for in whistler.

i think i manage to make it down a-line fairly competently, it's been quite awhile since i've had to pull over to let someone by. throw a drop at the start of it, and i'd be staying home.

a-line is about speed and jumps - not drops - which is a bonus as far as i'm concerned.

[NS imposter]

I'm always polite to people the first time, but if the continue on a tirade or are impolite back to me well they get a taste of their own and worse.

Personally I think the lady was totally irresponsible for bringing her kid down Aline. A-Line is dangerous because of the riders not the trail. Like a highway, if there were no cars it would be a safe place to walk, but when you have a tons of cars driving at 100 k its not a safe place to be. I would have chewed the lady out for being a bad mother. As they say "the best defense is a good offence".

I think whistler needs more trail patrollers to ensure people are not at risk of being liabilities. If the kid got "creamed" guess who would have been sued, not the rider.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

I used to always be passed on whistler last year and I was fine with it because I was learning and knew I would improve alot this past weekend I was passed for the first time this season while going down the shale section.. I blamed this on it being my first day riding a hardtail:lol: but I think if you just usually have a good attitude people will respect you

[cheeba rider]

Call your pass.
If the rider doesn't move over I say it's fair game.
Black Diamond trails should be ridden by Black Diamond riders....PERIOD.
If you don't even know the basics of trail ettiquette you have no business being on a bike @ Whistler or anywhere else for that matter.

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

good point cheeba

[xy9ine]

Originally posted by dewdle
the problem with whistler isn't the people, it's the trails. has anyone on here ever actually ridden a blue trail up there more than a couple of times?!? they're horrible stepping stones to the black runs.

there are plenty of riders out there whose idea of mountain biking centers around whistler. put these people on the shore and they would die, they know little of single track. to them fast, wide and flowy is what it's all about. which means the only place for them to go from b-line is a-line.

especially with the trend i've seen in the past few weeks of building up the tables on a-line (damn, i could clear those last week!), where's the 'c-line' with small, intermediate tables that those looking for something a little more difficult (but not ready for the big leagues) can learn on?

that said, i noticed a new trend on a-line on saturday - more than one person riding with butt on seat the whole way down, that can't be a whole lot of fun!!

exactly - the conflicts on a-line ocurr because there is a wide range of abilities on the trail - you can hardly blame the beginner/intermediate rider for being there, cuz there are no other jump trails on the mountain. you cant deny these people the oportunity to try out the tables - everone has to start somewhere, & until whistler develops an intermediate ("c-line"?)jump trail, we all have to chill & accomodate our fellow learning riders.

[willett]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU DUDE!!! BUT I WOULDINT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP MY COMPOSURE

[willett]

Originally posted by cheeba rider
Call your pass.
If the rider doesn't move over I say it's fair game.
Black Diamond trails should be ridden by Black Diamond riders....PERIOD.
If you don't even know the basics of trail ettiquette you have no business being on a bike @ Whistler or anywhere else for that matter.
nnnnoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! THEYRE CALLED FREERIDERS!!!! DONT YOU START SAYIN BLACK DIAMOND RIDERS!!! hahhaahhaa

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by xy9ine
exactly - the conflicts on a-line ocurr because there is a wide range of abilities on the trail - you can hardly blame the beginner/intermediate rider for being there, cuz there are no other jump trails on the mountain. you cant deny these people the oportunity to try out the tables - everone has to start somewhere, & until whistler develops an intermediate ("c-line"?)jump trail, we all have to chill & accomodate our fellow learning riders.


That is it right there. I re-read some of my earlier posts and I have to say sorry to Wilkez because it seemed like I was tageting him.

Wilkez- you had every right to be upset. Stupid behaviour is stupid behaviour and you are right on all counts.

Some others seem to think that A-line belongs to them personally and that is the kind of thinking that we don't need. If someone ahead of you is going too slow just relax and let them go at a comfortable pace. Slow down a bit and take a break at the next stop in the trail and give them a huge head start then you won't get stuck behind them again. Given a bit of time they will start going faster.

[APT]

Originally posted by xy9ine
exactly - the conflicts on a-line ocurr because there is a wide range of abilities on the trail - you can hardly blame the beginner/intermediate rider for being there, cuz there are no other jump trails on the mountain. you cant deny these people the oportunity to try out the tables - everone has to start somewhere, & until whistler develops an intermediate ("c-line"?)jump trail, we all have to chill & accomodate our fellow learning riders.


Well said!!! Unfortunately it seems like alot of people in this board forgot that everybody has to start somewhere. Does it hurt to be courteous to slower riders? Its not like you guys are racing down A-line anyway.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Barak


Some others seem to think that A-line belongs to them personally and that is the kind of thinking that we don't need. If someone ahead of you is going too slow just relax and let them go at a comfortable pace. Slow down a bit and take a break at the next stop in the trail and give them a huge head start then you won't get stuck behind them again. Given a bit of time they will start going faster.

Yeah - some of us do feel that A-Line and other trails "belong" to us. That's because we live here in Whistler, pay top $$$ to do so, and always have to deal with weekend warriors clogging the lift lines. We ride mid-week through all the wankers brake ruts waiting for the trail crew to fix 'em up - just in time for the weekend bozos to thrash the trails again. Whistler doesn't do jack for the locals and you can't blame people for getting a little pissed at the clowns from the city with their primo gear and latest in bike technology slowing down our trails. A-Line is meant for speed - relaxing and slowing down defeats the purpose. That's like me telling you to ride the Shore and walk over every skinny, bridge, around drops. etc. As for giving people a huge head start - how you gonna do that when there is an endless procession of people coming down? You'd be waiting forever on a Saturday or Sunday.

[APT]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Yeah - some of us do feel that A-Line and other trails "belong" to us. That's because we live here in Whistler, pay top $$$ to do so, and always have to deal with weekend warriors clogging the lift lines. We ride mid-week through all the wankers brake ruts waiting for the trail crew to fix 'em up - just in time for the weekend bozos to thrash the trails again. Whistler doesn't do jack for the locals and you can't blame people for getting a little pissed at the clowns from the city with their primo gear and latest in bike technology slowing down our trails. A-Line is meant for speed - relaxing and slowing down defeats the purpose. That's like me telling you to ride the Shore and walk over every skinny, bridge, around drops. etc. As for giving people a huge head start - how you gonna do that when there is an endless procession of people coming down? You'd be waiting forever on a Saturday or Sunday.

Just a reminder, without the clowns and the weekend bozos from the city, Whistler wouldn't even exist.

[bunny]

so does your rule apply to the shore as well? do those of us who live here "own" the shore and should we complain when others come down and trash "our" trails while WE maintain them all week? i guess some people do, but right now nobody owns the trails. i'm sure if you wanted to pay whistlerblackcomb a nice lump sum of all the money we spend up there you really could own those trails. :rolleyes:

[LeeLau]

c2syrida - you are an arrogant prick destined to live your little useless life in your white gold flop house.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stay the hell out of Bayshores. And stay the hell off the North Shore. We don't want your "locals only" bullshit here.

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Yeah - some of us do feel that A-Line and other trails "belong" to us. That's because we live here in Whistler, pay top $$$ to do so, and always have to deal with weekend warriors clogging the lift lines. We ride mid-week through all the wankers brake ruts waiting for the trail crew to fix 'em up - just in time for the weekend bozos to thrash the trails again. Whistler doesn't do jack for the locals and you can't blame people for getting a little pissed at the clowns from the city with their primo gear and latest in bike technology slowing down our trails. A-Line is meant for speed - relaxing and slowing down defeats the purpose. That's like me telling you to ride the Shore and walk over every skinny, bridge, around drops. etc. As for giving people a huge head start - how you gonna do that when there is an endless procession of people coming down? You'd be waiting forever on a Saturday or Sunday.

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by LeeLau
c2syrida - you are an arrogant prick destined to live your little useless life in your white gold flop house.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stay the hell out of Bayshores. And stay the hell off the North Shore. We don't want your "locals only" bullshit here.

thank you. i was trying to figure out how to respond to his bullshit and you hit the nail right on the head.

[LeeLau]

c2skyrida - Please bring me more tea for my sushi. You'll have to work harder for that tip boy. Have you shined my Porsche yet?

[ReCkLeSs RiDeR]

:cuffs: nice lee nice

[bzerk]

what a bonehead - the 'weekend warriors' subsidize his Whistler lifestyle. I love WhistlerMtn but hate the morons who populate the place. This is why our sport has a bad name.

[bruiser d]

Originally posted by LeeLau
c2syrida - you are an arrogant prick destined to live your little useless life in your white gold flop house.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stay the hell out of Bayshores. And stay the hell off the North Shore. We don't want your "locals only" bullshit here.

lee, i love your style man:D keep telling it like it is. was c2skyrider born in whistler.........i don't think so. lee do you have a place in bayshores?;) some people are really fuct:rolleyes:

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by LeeLau
c2syrida - you are an arrogant prick destined to live your little useless life in your white gold flop house.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stay the hell out of Bayshores. And stay the hell off the North Shore. We don't want your "locals only" bullshit here.

Aw, cry me a river you pathetic little waste of flesh. I'd rather live in a snow cave then live in your smoggy, crime-ridden, pathetic excuse for a city. Bayshores sucks, and I'll bring my locals only attitude on the trails and run your weak ass over.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by bzerk
what a bonehead - the 'weekend warriors' subsidize his Whistler lifestyle. I love WhistlerMtn but hate the morons who populate the place. This is why our sport has a bad name.

I have news for you - Vancouver business isn't the key factor for Whistler anymore. It's the Vancouver biz in the summer that trashes hotels, starts fights, and generally makes the place suck every weekend. Whistler wants your $$$, but the locals don't have to respect your arrogant, urbanite, f*ck the environent, attitudes. Sure, the park may not exist without the weekend warriors, but I'd trade it just to keep the ignorant city folk in their yuppie concrete enclaves.

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Aw, cry me a river you pathetic little waste of flesh. I'd rather live in a snow cave then live in your smoggy, crime-ridden, pathetic excuse for a city. Bayshores sucks, and I'll bring my locals only attitude on the trails and run your weak ass over.
I grew up in Whistler, and it was idiots like you who started moving there in the late 90's that caused me to leave, and to rarely return. you and your kind have killed the scene up there with your "local" attitudes and lack of style.

[LeeLau]

c2skyrida

Did you shine my shoes yet? My coffee is getting cold and need to be warmed up.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by bunny
so does your rule apply to the shore as well? do those of us who live here "own" the shore and should we complain when others come down and trash "our" trails while WE maintain them all week? i guess some people do, but right now nobody owns the trails. i'm sure if you wanted to pay whistlerblackcomb a nice lump sum of all the money we spend up there you really could own those trails. :rolleyes:

You have every right to complain about people riding your trails - if they don't respect the trails, throw garbage around, wreck shit, and act like idiots. That's what I'm talking about. Whistler is all about $$$, but that doesn't mean locals have to accept being treated like 2nd class citizens by wealthy urban morons who can't ride worth shit.

[LeeLau]

You are indeed a good example for why birth control should be practised more rigorously.

Let's see, you love the environment but won't ride anything other than bikepark because you well "uphill sucks". Or am I paraphrasing your incoherent rantings properly?

And the bikepark is good for the environment?

Next you will tell me that the ski hill is good for the environment?

Please make sure my Porsche Cayenne is safely waxed before you knuckle drag over to a keyboard.

Originally posted by c2skyrida
I have news for you - Vancouver business isn't the key factor for Whistler anymore. It's the Vancouver biz in the summer that trashes hotels, starts fights, and generally makes the place suck every weekend. Whistler wants your $$$, but the locals don't have to respect your arrogant, urbanite, f*ck the environent, attitudes. Sure, the park may not exist without the weekend warriors, but I'd trade it just to keep the ignorant city folk in their yuppie concrete enclaves.

[LeeLau]

c2kskyrida.

How can "you run my ass over" when they are my trails in my little neck of the woods? I thought you said that locals should stick to their own trails? Perhaps you should stick to curb dropping St Antons Way?

You can answer my question after you serve more fries to the Hong Kong tourists. Chop chop! Must earn your tip so you can afford to pay rent.

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Aw, cry me a river you pathetic little waste of flesh. I'd rather live in a snow cave then live in your smoggy, crime-ridden, pathetic excuse for a city. Bayshores sucks, and I'll bring my locals only attitude on the trails and run your weak ass over.

[Bukkake]

The people you are calling disrespecting, non-caring, fight -starting, urbanites aren't at this site dude.

I know the type you are speaking of but unfortunately you aren't speaking to any of them right now so would you cool it please?

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Derek Diggler
I grew up in Whistler, and it was idiots like you who started moving there in the late 90's that caused me to leave, and to rarely return. you and your kind have killed the scene up there with your "local" attitudes and lack of style.

Good riddance then. I'd agree that there are some real idiots here, but if you really thought about it, you'd know that the "scene" was killed by wealthy developers and real estate magnates who turned this place in into an over-priced getaway for the mega-rich and pathetic. I have no problem with respectful users of any trails, mountains, etc. But I have had enough of seeing complete idiots roll up in tricked out sports cars, unloading top-o-the-line bikes and then rolling every table on A-line all day. They sport their overpriced Deep Cove jerseys and spend $$$ at the longhorn - if that's the style you're talking about, then you need a head check man. There's more idiots in the city than anywhere else in the province. Check the crime stats....

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Good riddance then. I'd agree that there are some real idiots here, but if you really thought about it, you'd know that the "scene" was killed by wealthy developers and real estate magnates who turned this place in into an over-priced getaway for the mega-rich and pathetic. I have no problem with respectful users of any trails, mountains, etc. But I have had enough of seeing complete idiots roll up in tricked out sports cars, unloading top-o-the-line bikes and then rolling every table on A-line all day. They sport their overpriced Deep Cove jerseys and spend $$$ at the longhorn - if that's the style you're talking about, then you need a head check man. There's more idiots in the city than anywhere else in the province. Check the crime stats....


You're right man! I agree with you. Unfortunately you have been generalizing and coming off as ignorant.

[white ri0t]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Good riddance then.
I don't miss it either.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Barak
The people you are calling disrespecting, non-caring, fight -starting, urbanites aren't at this site dude.

I know the type you are speaking of but unfortunately you aren't speaking to any of them right now so would you cool it please?

The first sane reply. No problemo. If everyone here didn't assume that I was referring to them maybe it wouldn't have gotten so heated. However, people like little LeeLau can't seek clarification - they rant. If the riders here don't see the problem I'm talking about then they are blind. Case in point - Lee Lau's Hong Kong and Porsche comments. That's the type of corporate schmo who doesn't understand why people hate him - he's too caught up with his image. Anyway, I'm always cool with decent riders with a good attitude, it's those who are about image that make me laugh - like lil' Lee Lau - go back to Hong Kong.

[white ri0t]

Racist comments have no place on this board, dude. Lee is a cool guy and speedy biker to boot.

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by LeeLau
c2skyrida

Did you shine my shoes yet? My coffee is getting cold and need to be warmed up.

Is this some kind of "I'm successful and rich and you work a menial service job, and live in a dump in whistler and probably enjoy life more than I do " kinda dig?

If it is I just lost all respect for you Lee. What kind of point are you trying to make?

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
The first sane reply. No problemo. If everyone here didn't assume that I was referring to them maybe it wouldn't have gotten so heated. However, people like little LeeLau can't seek clarification - they rant. If the riders here don't see the problem I'm talking about then they are blind. Case in point - Lee Lau's Hong Kong and Porsche comments. That's the type of corporate schmo who doesn't understand why people hate him - he's too caught up with his image. Anyway, I'm always cool with decent riders with a good attitude, it's those who are about image that make me laugh - like lil' Lee Lau - go back to Hong Kong.

This is not about me. This is about you and your inferiority complex in your own little world.

Perhaps you can expand on why you feel so insecure and threathened.

Also add something about how you identify your self-worth through biking.

While you're doing that you still haven't warmed up my coffee yet.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Barak
Is this some kind of "I'm successful and rich and you work a menial service job, and live in a dump in whistler and probably enjoy life more than I do " kinda dig?

If it is I just lost all respect for you Lee. What kind of point are you trying to make?

See PM

[bunny]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
You have every right to complain about people riding your trails - if they don't respect the trails, throw garbage around, wreck shit, and act like idiots. That's what I'm talking about. Whistler is all about $$$, but that doesn't mean locals have to accept being treated like 2nd class citizens by wealthy urban morons who can't ride worth shit.

But that's my point... whistler IS about money. And until you manage to put more into whistler's economy than the collective group you are complaining about i don't understand how you think you own the trails. The shore trails aren't about money... not to those who maintain them. And while some people may complain I don't... and don't think that because I do some work on a trail that it belongs to me and nobody else.

I don't know about being treated like a second class citizen... but I don't think that's relevant to wether people other than yourself should be allowed to ride aline. While it probably sucks sometimes we need to accept that what drives the economy of the place we live does allow us the lifestyle we want. If you don't like it move. Or do something to change it that is more productive than ranting here. :P

[clay@nsmb.com]

Well this argument was amusing until you dudes started getting hostile.

**Ding Ding** Round 2, keep it clean.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by LeeLau
This is not about me. This is about you and your inferiority complex in your own little world.

Perhaps you can expand on why you feel so insecure and threathened.

Also add something about how you identify your self-worth through biking.

While you're doing that you still haven't warmed up my coffee yet.

The asian market in Whistler is dead. So no, I don't serve people from Hong Kong (nothing racist here ). And, how do you know that I have more or less $$$ than you? You assume I serve you, maybe you and your family serve my business? Food for thought mr.-I'm-rich-and-want-the-world-to-know-it. I'll tell you one thing - I'll be thinking about washing, no sorry, scratching the next Cayenne I see in the lot! You clearly can afford to buy a new one, can't you?

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
Well this argument was amusing until you dudes started getting hostile.

**Ding Ding** Round 2, keep it clean.

thx clay. Sorry.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by bunny
While it probably sucks sometimes we need to accept that what drives the economy of the place we live does allow us the lifestyle we want. If you don't like it move. Or do something to change it that is more productive than ranting here. :P

I agree. I work behind the scenes here to protect what is left of Whistler's local flavour as most people, big biz included, don't want another Aspen. As for visitors, all I ask for is respect. Know where you belong and where you don't. Technology allows for total newbies to go where they simply should not be. Skiing or riding - skills are not as importan as they used to be. The rich dudes with 9" travel ride trails that they couldn't contemplate on a hard tail. That is the essence of the problem here and everywhere. If you look at the good 'ol USA, these are the people that turn to lawyers when their duelies don't save 'em on a drop! Bingo - closed trails etc.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by LeeLau
thx clay. Sorry.

LeeLau - how's about a truce? I generalized at the start and you reacted. All's fair in war but I think a good point was made that this forum contains serious riders and not the clowns of which I spoke.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
The asian market in Whistler is dead. So no, I don't serve people from Hong Kong (nothing racist here ). And, how do you know that I have more or less $$$ than you? You assume I serve you, maybe you and your family serve my business? Food for thought mr.-I'm-rich-and-want-the-world-to-know-it. I'll tell you one thing - I'll be thinking about washing, no sorry, scratching the next Cayenne I see in the lot! You clearly can afford to buy a new one, can't you?

Out of respect to Clay and the site I am going to try to be halfway serious.

Most of what I said was to get a rise out of you. I don't even own a Cayenne; they look ridiculous.

You've got this pathetic; I'm a poor downtrodden Whistler local schtick who has to put up with this invasion of wealthy Vancouverites who can't ride so please stay away attitude.

You've got tons and tons of trails in the area you can ride on the weekend. Even if you want to shuttle there's Pemby, there's some trails in Whistler. So why do you subject yourself to the bikepark?

Do you realize what a stereotype you are?

Do you realize how contradictory you are?

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
I agree. I work behind the scenes here to protect what is left of Whistler's local flavour as most people, big biz included, don't want another Aspen. As for visitors, all I ask for is respect. Know where you belong and where you don't. Technology allows for total newbies to go where they simply should not be. Skiing or riding - skills are not as importan as they used to be. The rich dudes with 9" travel ride trails that they couldn't contemplate on a hard tail. That is the essence of the problem here and everywhere. If you look at the good 'ol USA, these are the people that turn to lawyers when their duelies don't save 'em on a drop! Bingo - closed trails etc.

OK I agree.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
LeeLau - how's about a truce? I generalized at the start and you reacted. All's fair in war but I think a good point was made that this forum contains serious riders and not the clowns of which I spoke.

Truce. You can even ride Babylon or BC. I give you permission

[clay@nsmb.com]

aww, howse about a big man-train hug?

http://gay.ru/wolfy/cinema/x-files/hug2_small.jpg

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
But I have had enough of seeing complete idiots roll up in tricked out sports cars, unloading top-o-the-line bikes and then rolling every table on A-line all day

i agree that some of those are idiots...but why does owning an expensive large travel bike mean that you have to ride super fast, drop huge drops and generally ride like schley, vanderham, simmons etc. why do some people have such a problem with what other people ride?

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
aww, howse about a big man-train hug?

http://gay.ru/wolfy/cinema/x-files/hug2_small.jpg

Quite a self-portrait clay

[Biking Fiend]

wow if your spouting off now i hate to see what you'll be like when the olypics come.

[clay@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Quite a self-portrait clay

Notice who I am hugging? the X-Files star himself.

I was wondering when you brought up the porsche -- I thought to myself, "Didn't lee say he drove a volvo?" :lol:

[c2skyrida]

A little spouting off on company time never hurt anyone - did it?

I have no problem with big bikes, little bikes, red bikes, green bikes. And I don't have a problem with people going slightly slower than Vanderham et al. However, please keep in mind that A-Line was clearly designed for a certain, fairly fast, level of speed. Slow riders do have B-Line (and fast riders should stay off it too!) and/or Fantastic. And I'll be the first to apologize if the guy slowing me down is injured, or going slow to pull a phat no-hander landing off a smaller table! But let's just ride the trails like they were meant to be ridden. The Bike Park has the added advantage of ratings (green, blue, black, double black) so that takes the mystery out of what run to ride - doesn't it?

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Quite a self-portrait clay

Clay is the photographer - he just photo-editor'd the mirror that shows him frothing at the mouth! lol. Easy Clay...it's only humour.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Won't THIS (http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?threadid=25791) make you an evil, long travel, overpaid, hack riding, spoiled rotten bad attitude who is wrecking the "scene" tourist like us?

:lol: :lol:

[clay@nsmb.com]

eww, somebody got :cuffs: by tron.

[corey@nsmb.com]

...yeah a bit, but I am really not as passionate about this issue like some of the others.. I just had to include that minor detail as it does uncover a pretty serious contradiction.

[TylerDurden]

Hey, doesn't Schley own a Porsche?! He's been there many years and has trails and camps in BikePark named after him, and is on the WB freeride squad. Gee, I hope it doesn't get scratched when a "true local" like c2sky walks by.

On the environment note, I have to say that keeping masses of riders in the confines of the resort's maintained trails makes a lot of sense - kinda like keeping hikers on the grind. If all those bikes sprawled out into Kyber Pass, Pemberton, Brother Creek etc their enviro footprint would be a lot larger. Reminds me of an interview with Eric Pehota about what he thought of the new freestyle movement in skiing to which he replied to the effect: "Its great for me. It's population control. The more of them in the (terrain) park, the less I see in the backcountry". Maybe food for thought for Lee and his derision for bikepark whores.....

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Mulletron
...yeah a bit, but I am really not as passionate about this issue like some of the others.. I just had to include that minor detail as it does uncover a pretty serious contradiction.

Yes...and no. Basically Squamton and Pemby are bedrooms for Whistler. With real estate the price it is, no "locals" will live right in Whistler soon anyway. It's called the "Sea to Sky Corridor" and the newspapers cover all three towns as if they were one. So...if you wanna get technical, living in Pemby or Squampton is living in Whistler. The houses in Whistler are virtually all property of absentee owners and statistically there isn't enough beds for the employees that are required to maintain Whistler. F*ck it all anyway. I wanna move back to Van Isle where the riding is sweet and the prices are decent. No city smog, and no part-time, super-rich, obnoxious Whistler visit-once-a-year property owners . Dodge City rules.

[APT]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Won't THIS (http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?threadid=25791) make you an evil, long travel, overpaid, hack riding, spoiled rotten bad attitude who is wrecking the "scene" tourist like us?

:lol: :lol:

:D That's a good one. So much for being a patriotic local.

[drezy]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
I agree. I work behind the scenes here to protect what is left of Whistler's local flavour as most people, big biz included, don't want another Aspen. As for visitors, all I ask for is respect. Know where you belong and where you don't. Give your head a shake dude. Remember hearing about this thing called the 2010 Olympics? Forget Aspen, Whistler will be worse when our government gets done dumping all kinds of cash into the highway, Vancouver airport, etc. Maybe big biz should've thought of that before they went after the Olympics if they didn't want another Aspen.:rolleyes:

And as for your comment about visitors, "Know where you belong and where you don't". WTF is that? Who are you to judge where people "belong"?

If it bothers you that much to see a newbie rolling everything on A-Line, think about when you first started. I went up to Sun Peaks with a group of guys that had a couple new riders in it. Sure they were slower and crashed an aweful lot :), but seeing new riders out having a blast and enjoying the sport that has meant so much to me makes riding more enjoyable. Ease up a bit, it's just bike riding.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by TylerDurden
Hey, doesn't Schley own a Porsche?! He's been there many years and has trails and camps in BikePark named after him, and is on the WB freeride squad. Gee, I hope it doesn't get scratched when a "true local" like c2sky walks by.


Schley....hmmnn. So they named a trail after him. When he lived in Spruce Grove, all his neighbours (long-time Whistler locals - longer than him, most of them) hated him 'cause he rode his sled up and down the neighbourhood all hours of the night and didn't give a sh*t about the workign people (or their kids). I obviously ain't gonna scratch up a damn thing, however I don't care about Schley. he is a deadly rider - one of the best. But that alone doesn't make him any more "local" than anyone else up here.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by drezy

If it bothers you that much to see a newbie rolling everything on A-Line, think about when you first started. I went up to Sun Peaks with a group of guys that had a couple new riders in it. Sure they were slower and crashed an aweful lot :), but seeing new riders out having a blast and enjoying the sport that has meant so much to me makes riding more enjoyable. Ease up a bit, it's just bike riding.

I remember being a newbie - a newbie who moved out of the way when other riders wanted by. It seems that they don't teach/learn that these days.

[corey@nsmb.com]

You should do a clinic then C2Sky.

Have weekend clinics for all of us assholes.

You can teach us trail etiquette, economics, property management and how to be "local" all in one weekend, eventually solving all the problems with Whistler.

Of course it will require effort on your part, but it might lead to you being less bitter.

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by Mulletron
You should do a clinic then C2Sky.

Have weekend clinics for all of us assholes.

You can teach us trail etiquette, economics, property management and how to be "local" all in one weekend, eventually solving all the problems with Whistler.

Of course it will require effort on your part, but it might lead to you being less bitter.

mulletron for mod!

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by TylerDurden
Hey, doesn't Schley own a Porsche?! He's been there many years and has trails and camps in BikePark named after him, and is on the WB freeride squad. Gee, I hope it doesn't get scratched when a "true local" like c2sky walks by.

On the environment note, I have to say that keeping masses of riders in the confines of the resort's maintained trails makes a lot of sense - kinda like keeping hikers on the grind. If all those bikes sprawled out into Kyber Pass, Pemberton, Brother Creek etc their enviro footprint would be a lot larger. Reminds me of an interview with Eric Pehota about what he thought of the new freestyle movement in skiing to which he replied to the effect: "Its great for me. It's population control. The more of them in the (terrain) park, the less I see in the backcountry". Maybe food for thought for Lee and his derision for bikepark whores.....

No - you're absolutely right. I was just trying to push c2sky's button. Now that I'm done yelling and actually listening a bit I do think I see his point.

According to some of the WORCA guys I know, absolutely, the bike park has helped. A lot of the illegal crappy trails in Whistler are now abandoned and left to go back to nature. Not as many people in the bc is indeed better for the environment.

That's why I think a bike park in the Lower Mainland would be awesome for the local trails

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Mulletron
You should do a clinic then C2Sky.

Have weekend clinics for all of us assholes.

You can teach us trail etiquette, economics, property management and how to be "local" all in one weekend, eventually solving all the problems with Whistler.

Of course it will require effort on your part, but it might lead to you being less bitter.

Sweet idea 'tron...send me a cheque and you can be first on the list :D

[m33p]

Originally posted by LeeLau


That's why I think a bike park in the Lower Mainland would be awesome for the local trails

problem is none of the mountains have enough vertical for a good dh run without using 2 chairs, which would suck.

[c2skyrida]

My point..again...I started riding ages ago in cross country (no duelies back then). If you were going slow due to roots, hills, etc., it was considered proper etiquette to let faster riders past. You see it in auto races for example. Lapped racers pull over a bit to let the leaders by. Sure, a ride is not a race, but what's wrong with some etiquette? Sh*it 'tron, even you can see that makes a bit 'o sense?

[Duncan]

I wanna learn to be a Whistler local. I picked up a few words of Whistlerese last time was there and actually was able to order a beer. I *STILL* can't read street signs, however. The "funny money" and the local traditional costumes were also really cool.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by m33p
problem is none of the mountains have enough vertical for a good dh run without using 2 chairs, which would suck.

m33p: I don't know Grouse (for skiiing) but is there tram/gondola not a decent length (serious question - I haven't a clue about what it would access).

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Duncan
I wanna learn to be a Whistler local. I picked up a few words of Whistlerese last time was there and actually was able to order a beer. I *STILL* can't read street signs, however. The "funny money" and the local traditional costumes were also really cool.

I guess you stumbled into the Pimp 'n Ho party with your riding concussion and thought that was Whistler....

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
m33p: I don't know Grouse (for skiiing) but is there tram/gondola not a decent length (serious question - I haven't a clue about what it would access).

its not nearly long enough. That's the problem.

I think Cypress would be the only one that's long enough but even that would be pretty short.

[c2skyrida]

Too bad. Lift accessed biking in Van would be deadly for you urban dwellers. And, I know, I'm not invited...:rolleyes:

[gooch]

All I have to add is:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc10.jpg

[c2skyrida]

:stupid: No understand sarcasm goochy? lol

[m33p]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
m33p: I don't know Grouse (for skiiing) but is there tram/gondola not a decent length (serious question - I haven't a clue about what it would access).

problem is there is only 2 trams and they would hold 15 bikers and bikes. No room for other site seeres and all that jazz, plus that would be one hell of a lineup for a days worth of riding. takes 15 mins one way to get to the top.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by m33p
problem is there is only 2 trams and they would hold 15 bikers and bikes. No room for other site seeres and all that jazz, plus that would be one hell of a lineup for a days worth of riding. takes 15 mins one way to get to the top.

Sh*tty. I see the problem.

[gooch]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
:stupid: No understand sarcasm goochy? lol

I don't understand how come I see so many guys riding, and I see so many bitches posting.

[drezy]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Too bad. Lift accessed biking in Van would be deadly for you urban dwellers. And, I know, I'm not invited...:rolleyes: And Whistler is not urban? :rolleyes: You should really see the rest of the province. Yes, there are towns out there that don't actually have Starbucks and 7-11. :rolleyes: Whistler may be in the mountains, look like a provincial park and have wildlife roaming around, but it's a city. If your sick of fighting with the tourists, go do some Whistler urban.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by drezy
And Whistler is not urban? :rolleyes: You should really see the rest of the province. Yes, there are towns out there that don't actually have Starbucks and 7-11. :rolleyes: Whistler may be in the mountains, look like a provincial park and have wildlife roaming around, but it's a city. If your sick of fighting with the tourists, go do some Whistler urban.

We agree on something:couple: I don't particularly like the corporations like sev and 'bucks. It's the local stores that make (made?) Whistler great. Now saying that it's a city is a bit of a stretch. It ain't your typical small town for sure, however the highest high-rise is the Chateau. No smog problem anytime soon. And yeah, when I'm sick of tourists I go to more out of the way places - avoiding the village like 90% of the locals do. Weekdays and offseasons are the only safe Village days.

[m33p]

Originally posted by gooch
I don't understand how come I see so many guys riding, and I see so many bitches posting.

You seem to be quite the bitch, why don't you tell us.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by gooch
I don't understand how come I see so many guys riding, and I see so many bitches posting.

Stop watching guys ride and try it for yourself - you might like it!

[drezy]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Now saying that it's a city is a bit of a stretch. Resident population in 2000 was 10,000. That's as much as Nelson without the tourists. And yes, Nelson is a city. It even has it's own CITY police.:)

[Duncan]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
I guess you stumbled into the Pimp 'n Ho party with your riding concussion and thought that was Whistler....

c2skyrida - I am impressed that you have taught yourself Canuck, the language of my people. With that kind of go-go, you may some day become a great leader of your people.

Unwashed, toothless and married to your sister may have been good enough for your parent's generation, but look at all the benefits that my people have brought to your country. Deodorant, flush toilets and modern techniques of handwashing - to name a few. The modern ways of my people have given your people dignity, wealth and the high culture of ski n'snow, and now freeriding. This cultural transition may be painful for your people, but it is the way of the future, and for the better.

[fr33k]

Whistler sucks. If it wasnt for the mountain bike park I wouldnt go there. All it has become is "Robson Street" transported into a damn great location. I can see were the dude may get his attitude. But hey, you live there. If you dont like the tourist's move. I cant believe thousands of people drive there every weekend to go shopping. Wow what interesting lives people in our city live.

[wilkez]

my god i didnt know my little thread about bitchy moms could turn into something like this!

i dont see how you "locals" can like whistler at all, in fact i probably wouldnt live up there even if i had the chance, for the simple reason is that it is a toursist town. not much there caters to permanent residents as far as i can see. the stores arent even half decent, its just a bunch of t-shirt stores and expensive restaurants.

[wickedmcdougle]

they've got such cool t shirts tho....

[FlipFantasia]

Originally posted by wilkez
my god i didnt know my little thread about bitchy moms could turn into something like this!

i dont see how you "locals" can like whistler at all, in fact i probably wouldnt live up there even if i had the chance, for the simple reason is that it is a toursist town. not much there caters to permanent residents as far as i can see. the stores arent even half decent, its just a bunch of t-shirt stores and expensive restaurants.
I didn't move here for the shopping.......it can get frustrating, but then you just go for a hike/ride/ski and forget about that shit....

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by Duncan
c2skyrida - I am impressed that you have taught yourself Canuck, the language of my people. With that kind of go-go, you may some day become a great leader of your people.

Unwashed, toothless and married to your sister may have been good enough for your parent's generation, but look at all the benefits that my people have brought to your country. Deodorant, flush toilets and modern techniques of handwashing - to name a few. The modern ways of my people have given your people dignity, wealth and the high culture of ski n'snow, and now freeriding. This cultural transition may be painful for your people, but it is the way of the future, and for the better.

Nicely written - in fact I admire your style, however we left the pointless drivel behind a few pages back.

[c2skyrida]

Originally posted by FlipFantasia
I didn't move here for the shopping.......it can get frustrating, but then you just go for a hike/ride/ski and forget about that shit....

'Nuff said. This thread has been twisted and hung out to dry.

[gooch]

Originally posted by c2skyrida
Stop watching guys ride and try it for yourself - you might like it!

Naw. I might get dirty if I got on one of those big mountainbike thingys, and took it down that big fast tough mountain. I'll stick to posing.

[corey@nsmb.com]

This is ridiculous..Take it to your pm's ladies.