ARG what is this SSVP TCP whatever stuff

[Rosscofat]

what is all the damping the slider has like tcp? or somthing marz has ssvp hvcp or whatever someone explane all of em for me PLEASE!!

[Broken Fusion!]

http://www.answerproducts.com/tcp.htm

http://www.answerproducts.com/tpcplus.htm

[Rosscofat]

ok thats 1 kind of damping

[Rosscofat]

whats the best damping?? I thought it was Motocross like in the 04 Monster

[Burnwood]

From Marzocchi...

"HSCV CARTRIDGE
We’ve completely retuned the High Speed Compression Valve settings for 2003 increasing damping control under big bump situations. In today’s fast and furious extreme riding revolution, going big is the common place and damping technology needs to be on the forefront of design. That’s why every cartridge style fork we make utilizes our sophisticated motocross derived shim stack style "HSCV" technology.
The HSCV regulates the oil flowing through the bottom of the cartridge via wafer thin shims and a uniquely designed valve. As the fork
compresses and oil starts flowing through the valve, according
to impact, speed, force, rider weight, etc; compression damping is instantly and automatically adjusted. This means when you whack a sharp-edge bump or land a drop nose down, the HSCV works to eliminate harsh bottoming and loss of control. HSCV system is used in all of our cartridge style forks providing the perfect damping balance that results from the HSCV cartridge being submerged in a total oil environment completely separating rebound, low speed compression, and of course high-speed compression damping. This is another example of Marzocchi’s technological might and a 53 year heritage in suspension design. Why would you accept any other design?

SSVF
SSVF is our "Speed Sensitive Valve Floating" with a specially designed Floating Valve that further enhances the SSV concept. The floating valve instantly lets oil start flowing through the first valve circuit with no resistance providing greater initial bump sensitivity. As oil flow becomes greater and faster the floating valve provides more oil flow resistance and hence more damping performance.
The SSVF system uses an external knob to control the rebound speed.

SSV
SSV stands for Speed Sensitive Valving and it’s the easiest most sophisticated way to provide consistent fade free damping performance. Our SSV system uses 5 damping circuits per leg to instantly deliver unsurpassed damping comfort and control. These valves operate in the compression and rebound phase allowing varying amounts of oil to flow through the system according to force and speed. SSV technology derives itself from our motorcycle division providing years of durability under extreme conditions.
SSV is configured in two ways, first the non-adjustable SSV system and secondly, the SSV system with internal rebound adjustment. The internal rebound adjustment is accomplished by removing the top caps and inserting the hex key into the valve and either opening or closing for greater or lesser rebound damping."


The SSV(F) systems aren't an ideal damping system. They can experience hydraulic lock at high speeds and leave you with basically no suspension...

[Rosscofat]

so whats better tcp or marz .. and the Mon T has some messed up 26mm open bath shizat

[Burnwood]

The Manitou fans will say TCP+ is the best while the Marzocchi fans will say HSCV is the best...

Personally, I think the 2003 Monster's Shiver catridges are the best. I like how you can rearrange the shims in the catridges to make your fork more progessive and how you can seperately adjust the compression in the last part of the travel...

[Rosscofat]

Hmmmm whats diff in 04 Mont?

[FuManChu]

TCP+ for sure

[Rosscofat]

HMMMM all confusing I just bonce on it if it feels good I like it :D

[243_ht]

lets face it, if you buy the slider, give it 6-8 months and you'll brake it, then when you'll be buying a monster. So might as well get the right fork for the job first thing.

i'd choose monster over slider anyways.

[Rosscofat]

u callin me a hack?

[Burnwood]

I believe Marzocchi is tweaking the catridges so that the 2004 Monster is "plusssher"...

There's a guy on Ridemonkey who rides his hardtail like you do yours...His Slider locked up on him after a couple of months...

[243_ht]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
u callin me a hack?

no but i bet you can break a slider.

[BAC5.2]

I like TPC (not TCP) better than the Marz. But then again, I have more time on a TPC fork than I have on a Marz fork.

It depends on how you want your fork to feel. The TPC and TPC+ feel very plush and bottomless. The Marz feel stiffer, and the travel is nice without rebound spiking (in my experience).

Personally, the Manitou Mars XC Race Fork was my favorite feeling fork ever built at the time, 3" that felt like 4. Plush but not power robbing. So, I got the Slider because it feels like a long travel Mars, but with more progressive compression and rebound control. Of course, that's just my opinion, and I am far from having experience on all of the forks on the market. Ride both and come to your own conclusions.

[Rosscofat]

I can break anything le toys monsters... :D im a R&D free lancer

[UFO]

i was not impressed by TPC when i had my black elite, or my manitou sx. maybe TPC+ is better, but how much better? hard to say.

im all about marz internals. i am liking my current stratos internals as well, ghetto as they are

[KOW49]

04 monsters have motocross cartridges :thepimp:

[mike]

MANITOU VALVING IS BETTER
i dont need to say more. it does

dont believe me? try my dorado out

[Keefer]

I like the adjustability of the Manitou, but I dunno, I found with my Supernova that the internals were kinda weak, they blew easily.

[snowboarder]

this is a question for ppl who owned/rode on both forks. im noticing that people who own marz saying their great and ppl who own a manitou are saying there better. i like my shiver but i never tried a dorado so.

[IFO]

well i've had both...and my Manitou chews up the Zokie's "simple damping"

a perfectly tuned TPC+ fork rides so well, its something that has to be expereienced first hand to truely appreacaite it...

Zokies HSCV def feels WAY better then their own SSV valving... but even that isnt up to teh Manitou's technonlogy...

u dont have to beleive me, but its the truth...:D

[bbike]

its true, a perfectly tuned tpc+ fork is unbelivable.