What should I get Marzocchi or Manitou? [Archive] - North Shore Mountain Biking Forums

Aircorp

07-08-2003, 12:51 PM

depends on what kind of bike you are throwing it on, is it an FS or a HT? It also depends on your riding style. If you are more into DH/FR, go with the Slider it is solid, smooth and a proven good fork. If you do DJing or some other street/freestyle stuff where you are busting out and if you feel gutsy enough to try something like the Z150, go for it, however, I don't see the need for a 6" single crown for any type of riding unless you are anal about turning radius. Manitou puts out better performing more reliable forks IMO.

OCRONPORD

07-08-2003, 01:49 PM

go for the slider . marz sc's have a terrible reputation

Spud-biker

07-08-2003, 01:59 PM

i like marz forks but between those two i've heard great things about the slider and the z150 is only new .

dhrider

07-08-2003, 02:33 PM

slider

Wildeman

07-08-2003, 02:43 PM

Ya , I am would be putting it on my hardtail. I am a little fussy about the fact of not being able turn that sharp sice I do a lot of trail riding. The thing I like about the Z1 150 is that the travel can go down to 4 inches for doing dirtjumps. I know Marzocchi has had some problems but this fork looks like it is following the new 2004 Marzocchi's in that it has newly redisigned lowers and is made of like solid steel so I would have to doubt that the steerer or stanchions would break like on the previous Marzocchi models but I don't know, I have heard good things about the Shermans.:D

Aircorp

07-08-2003, 03:18 PM

Shermans are sexy, Bombers are crap, plain and simple. If you mostly do trail riding with your HT, why not try the Flick or the Firefly? Is 6" necessary? If you really think it is go with the Slider, trust me, for trail riding, the turning doesn't take long to get used to.

Wildeman

07-08-2003, 04:07 PM

Ya, true, the only reason i want a six inch travel fork compared to a flick or something is that I want to set myself up for full squish sometime in the next year so I wanted a little bit more travel. Right now I have a Marzocchi EXR with 4 inches so would the one inch more feel that much better? I ride at whistler quite a bit so that is the reason i want to upgrade cause my 4 inch forks are not suited best for that type of riding.:)

theoriginalhardcore

07-08-2003, 04:18 PM

slider they look sweet

pike119

07-08-2003, 05:05 PM

sc marz kinda suck, a lot snap only good froks they have is there dc like supert T. ect
try out the Sherman Slider 1st

Ginsy~Dj'er

07-08-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by OCRONPORD
go for the slider . marz sc's have a terrible reputation
the only marz sc's that have a problems were the 02 dirt jumpers id go fo the marz i wouldnt ride ne thing else

IFO

07-08-2003, 06:10 PM

the new Z150 is a nice looking fork, but it'd still get a Sherman everyday of teh week over a Zokie...

jive turkey

07-08-2003, 06:15 PM

werd!!! my 03 Z1 is holding its own

ATN

07-08-2003, 06:39 PM

This is the basic SC vs DC debate. Both forks have good internals and look cool, we don't have to argue about that.

Basically, unless you need the turning, DC is the way to go. it may be more weight, but it's used intellegently, in a beef SC you have to put loads of steel everywhere.

snowboarder

07-08-2003, 07:22 PM

JESUS CHRIST!!!! stop the marzocchi hating! how can you say the z150 sucks if your comparing it to a 2002 djer amd other marzocchi forks that broke.? did you ever ride it on the trail? i dont think so. give the z150 a year or so before you go bashing it because other marzocchi forks broke that werent intended for that purpose.

barry

07-08-2003, 07:30 PM

for your bike the perfect fork is an 03 jr t2

Aircorp

07-08-2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by snowboarder
JESUS CHRIST!!!! stop the marzocchi hating! how can you say the z150 sucks if your comparing it to a 2002 djer amd other marzocchi forks that broke.? did you ever ride it on the trail? i dont think so. give the z150 a year or so before you go bashing it because other marzocchi forks broke that werent intended for that purpose.

We don't pull these assumptions of Marzocchi SC failure out of our ass you know. Ever since the m-arch and cryofit was used on forks to replace classic bolts in 2001, Marzocchi forks have been known to fail. Cracked arches and crowns, snapped stanchions, all results of use in classic Canadian freeriding conditions, of course Marz would like to call it "abuse". When you market forks towars a freeride market you have to be able to deliver the goods. As for forks breaking because they weren't used for the intended purpose? the DJ series is supposed to be Marz's strongest SC made to withstand the punishment of dirt jumping. But you better not case a jump unless you want to be impaled by a stanchion. This "marzocchi hating" is well deserved. Even more so because they don't seen to be addressing the issue, even the 2003 DJ series is flimsy and brittle. I'm not totally agains Marz though, I mean I ride a 2000 Z.3 QR20 and it performs fine, plus I have nothing wrong with their DC forks, the 888 looks wicked.

Shore Rydah

07-08-2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Wildeman
[B]newly redisigned lowers and is made of like solid steel so I would have to doubt that the steerer or stanchions would break like on the previous Marzocchi models B]

I wouldnt trust the steerer on the new z 150's there aluminum (to save weight). but there stanchions go through the same process as there motocross forks, so the are more likely to bend than snap.

Id go with the slider, mostly cause it looks good, and ull never be pulling teeth outta your front tire ;)

flizzy home dawg

07-08-2003, 09:14 PM

go with the sherman I have heard nothing but good things about it and the z150 is really heavy isn't it .... :???:

Keefer

07-08-2003, 10:05 PM

I'd hit up that slider. If you're doing trails, you'll want the extra stiffness.

And dropping the Z150 down to 4" is just for climbing. Riding it hard liek that will break it.

coryschwarzmiller

07-08-2003, 10:16 PM

Get a dual crown marzocchi like a jr or super t there the best.

mike

07-08-2003, 10:57 PM

manitou

OCRONPORD

07-08-2003, 11:00 PM

Dan

07-09-2003, 12:56 AM

a slider will shit on any other 6 or lower-end 7 inch fork.....then piss on it too, then maybe whipe its ass and then rub it in!!! (exept for dorados :))

sliders rock!!!

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Wildeman
Ya , I am would be putting it on my hardtail. I am a little fussy about the fact of not being able turn that sharp sice I do a lot of trail riding.

I ride some of the most tech single track in MD (tree gaps narrower than your bars, switch backs sharper than you could take at any kind of speed) and I have an 03 Sherman Slider. Turning radius is perfectly fine. If you can do a track stand for more than 30 seconds, then you'll be fine with the turning radius of the slider. I was taking the switch backs as fast (if not faster) with the slider than I was on the old SC.

My nod goes to slider because I have personal experience with it, and it is the tittliewinks :)

Dan

07-09-2003, 01:03 AM

oh yeh, and i have had the 02 Jr on my bike for about 5 weeks while saving for the sherman, and i dont wanna offend anyone, but its SHIT compared to a slider :)

like bac5.2 said about the turning radius, its not gonna be a problem, u dont plan to turn that much when ur flying down a track to u????? if u do i wanna know how!!??:D

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 01:15 AM

yea, at any speed more than a walking pace, if you can lock it out to one side, you'll be turning to far for either you or your bike to hold. And anytime your riding at slower than a walking pace, you can just hop the bike around.

switch

07-09-2003, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Shore Rydah
I wouldnt trust the steerer on the new z 150's there aluminum (to save weight). but there stanchions go through the same process as there motocross forks, so the are more likely to bend than snap.

Id go with the slider, mostly cause it looks good, and ull never be pulling teeth outta your front tire ;)

The air version has aluminum steerer and aluminum stanchions.

The coil spring version has a steel steerer and steel stanchions.

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 01:42 AM

so the Air version is more likely to snap than the Coil version (which is smart considering the Air version is designed as a trail bike fork and the coil version is designed as more of an all-purpose fork. just like the Z1FRSL and the Z1FR)

Dan

07-09-2003, 01:52 AM

*the word manitou echo's softly around the room* :)

switch

07-09-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by BAC5.2
so the Air version is more likely to snap than the Coil version (which is smart considering the Air version is designed as a trail bike fork and the coil version is designed as more of an all-purpose fork. just like the Z1FRSL and the Z1FR)

I would think so.

They have a Z150 air down at Cove Bikes, and it's pretty damn light.

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 02:07 AM

How light? Slider light?

switch

07-09-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by BAC5.2
How light? Slider light?

Much lighter. Felt like the weight of a 2002 Z1FR.

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 02:13 AM

so like 5.5LB's instead of 6.3?

What about the coil? I bet the coil would be closer to 6 flat. and for .3LBS, I would rather have the security of a DC and Manitou's bitchin Evil Genius seals and TPC+ damping :)

switch

07-09-2003, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by BAC5.2
so like 5.5LB's instead of 6.3?

What about the coil? I bet the coil would be closer to 6 flat. and for .3LBS, I would rather have the security of a DC and Manitou's bitchin Evil Genius seals and TPC+ damping :)

I think the 2002 Z1FR runs around 4.2lbs.

There's no way I'd use the Z150 air for free riding. Or any other SC fork.

As for internals, I believe Marzocchi is more robust. Info on people blowing the internals, or seals, on their Shermans is already starting to appear. It's a new fork that's just gaining some usage, so I would expect more reports of problems with internals. Marzocchi's open oil bath system is still the best for seals.

BAC5.2

07-09-2003, 02:37 AM

I suppose your right about the seals. If mine blow, I will be all up on Answer to fix it. Fortunately I am in a good position to get shit done, I am very persuasive working at a shop. I don't have to deal with people like me to get it fixed, I will get it fixed overnight if I see fit.

::Liam::

07-09-2003, 03:02 AM

id go with the slider personally but thats beacsse for the type of riding i do it would be more conveinent having the stiffness

id have no qualms about riding a z150 though id just have to build the right bike for it... id only ride it as light trails and shit

Eric

07-09-2003, 04:36 PM

I say Z150 all the way, the coil spring version.Its got a steel steerer & stanchions so its plenty strong.The way this fork feels on the bike is awsome to say the least.Very stiff & suspension travel is very smooth.Very pleased with this fork so far.

No way would I buy a Manispew,last few I owned did nothing but leak oil.Also felt really sticky.I will pass.

Monster Mike

07-09-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Shore Rydah
I wouldnt trust the steerer on the new z 150's there aluminum (to save weight).

WRONG. Steel, dissemenating false information is not helping your cause.

Monster Mike

07-09-2003, 05:09 PM

http://www.drownedgod.com/pjdrop.wmv

12 foot to tranny on the hardtail. headlock blew up fork didnt.

switch

07-10-2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Monster Mike
http://www.drownedgod.com/pjdrop.wmv

12 foot to tranny on the hardtail. headlock blew up fork didnt.

That headlock could have shot right into his face! :eek:

Dan

07-10-2003, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Eric

No way would I buy a Manispew,last few I owned did nothing but leak oil.Also felt really sticky.I will pass.

just coz some manitou fukd up on you, doesnt mean they all do it. probably one of their shit forks anyway. they do make some pretty crappy ones. the shermans and the dorados are the only ones i like. oh and the black range look ok. dont know much about them tho.

dont judge a fork on one incident
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Eric

07-10-2003, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by Dan
just coz some manitou fukd up on you, doesnt mean they all do it. probably one of their shit forks anyway. they do make some pretty crappy ones. the shermans and the dorados are the only ones i like. oh and the black range look ok. dont know much about them tho.

dont judge a fork on one incident
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kinda like many people are judging the Z150 already before its been out a year ah.

I had two X-VertR carbons & they were crap.Not saying there new stuff is bad just that I would not buy from that company anymore.

flizzy home dawg

07-13-2003, 10:05 PM

:fro: :pimp:

Millstone

07-13-2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Monster Mike
http://www.drownedgod.com/pjdrop.wmv

12 foot to tranny on the hardtail. headlock blew up fork didnt.

That is the shallowest tranny I've ever seen. That is worse than a dansition.

eye of the tiger

07-13-2003, 10:22 PM

team manitou pride rep.

BAC5.2

07-13-2003, 10:30 PM

:duh:

Bukkake

07-13-2003, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Eric
I say Z150 all the way, the coil spring version.Its got a steel steerer & stanchions so its plenty strong.The way this fork feels on the bike is awsome to say the least.Very stiff & suspension travel is very smooth.Very pleased with this fork so far.

No way would I buy a Manispew,last few I owned did nothing but leak oil.Also felt really sticky.I will pass.

The crown is still aluminum and the same as the 03 crowns.
I think it will crack there but faster than the '03's because it has an extra inch of travel to provide fork busting leverage.

I could be wrong but that's just my prediction.

IFO

07-14-2003, 06:41 PM

i dotn think that headlok broke it appears it simply came undone...

me thinks the bike owner didnt install it corectly...

Bukkake

07-14-2003, 07:17 PM

I was wrong the Z-150 has a steel crown too. It might just be okay then. The thing weighs a ton I was looking at it today.
I would probably get a shorter main spring spring and a longer
topout spring and bring it down to 4 or 5 inches. I just still don't like the idea of having too much travel in an sc.