chuckwagon

[Sunday Rider]

Can someone post or direct me to find out the chuckwagon's hours and pick-up points? Rode up on Sunday and was too tired on the downhill. Thanks.

[VPS RiDeR]

TIM-604 834 7375 JAMIE 604 834 7372

[dirty-bike]

They stop at the old buck parking lot and at superstore.

[theoriginalhardcore]

never taken it

[barry]

how much is it for a CBC shuttle :rolleyes:

no, seriously how much

[IFO]

i beleive its 5$ per trip up...

[counterpoint]

i wouldn't count on them too much. few weekends in the last little while there was no sign of them.

[Sharon]

I thought it was free since they don't have a permit to run a business in BC Parks???

[m33p]

Originally posted by Sharon
I thought it was free since they don't have a permit to run a business in BC Parks??? Give them a break Sharon, they did help out a bit at the trail days:rolleyes:

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by Sharon
I thought it was free since they don't have a permit to run a business in BC Parks???

What's up with this? Do tell.

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by Zedbra
What's up with this? Do tell.

They don't have a permit to operate a business in a provincial park, although they do have a business license (which are obviously not the same thing).

[Zedbra]

So they aren't alowed to legally run shuttles up Seymour, eh? D'oh! Twas a good idea, but not well thought out if that's the case.

[seand]

so technically...

you could get in the van, demand a ride up seymore without paying and when they throw a hissyfit, ask to see their permit to operate a business within BC parks' borders. then when they tell you to get out, insist they give you a free ride up or you will report them :lol:

:D

[Rat]

I would use thier service if it fit my schedule but they seem to be running a real half assed operation. Ill bet they fold up in the next year.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Rat
I would use thier service if it fit my schedule but they seem to be running a real half assed operation. Ill bet they fold up in the next year.

They've already paid for the truck, no turning back now!

I wish they knew what they were getting into...

[tomatoz]

i dun think they do whistler trips ne more
but i dunno if they do seymore?

[Rat]

Originally posted by tomatoz
i dun think they do whistler trips ne more
but i dunno if they do seymore?


It's easy to buy trucks it takes hard work to run a successfull buisness. not to mention some decent organization.

[wes side 7]

No need to hate on them people. Maybe they will get with the program and get their shit together and maybe give a little somethin' back to the shore.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[sprinter]

They probably never heard of something called a business plan.

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by sprinter
They probably never heard of something called a business plan.

no, they probably never heard of a SUCCESSFUL business plan. I wish them luck, seriously. Good idea, though I have my opinions about it.

[shorerat]

what are their business hours? or should I ask what tiimes and what days do they shuttle?

[VPS RiDeR]

just dont report them. they are good guys and not doing anyting bad. they will probably start putting back into the trails when the van is paid off. ATN its not paid off yet

[corey@nsmb.com]

Slagging them for offering this service is a waste of time and only makes your argument look weak. Fact is they have discovered a niche and in the capitalist society we live in (and there is by no means anything wrong with that) they have found a way to try to make a living. Lucky them, because it seems to be in an area they enjoy, and I am willing to bet the guys are pretty stoked when it is time to go to work in the morning.

That being said, there are some flaws, or "speed bumps" in what they are doing, as any small biz will face when trying to play the game.

If they don't have a permit to operate legally and morally in the parks, then that is something they need to address.

Hopefully they will see that PR is critical for any business to do well, and as time has shown, there is a demand for them to give back to that which they are making a living from. It would be advantageous for all if they did that.

And, to cast some light on their side, I think they have handled themselves well in respect to their lack of involvement in on-line bickering and the slagging they have faced.

Chuck Wagon isn't going to go away because some person dumped on them on the internet. They will only go away, or fall out of business if they don't take heed to the pressures and questions that their work environment and potential customers demand answered.

I have yet to hear a single person complain about the guys that run shuttles in Rossland in their pick ups. I understand the numbers are different (volume) but if people's real issue is with the concept of shuttling people to trails for a job, why has nobody taken public issue with these guys? Does anyone know if they put money into the trails up there?? I don't.

I have never used the 'Chuck Wagon, nor do I have plans to, simply because I don't need to. I am just trying to shed light on the other side of the fence.

Cheers!

[.glib]

Originally posted by Mulletron
I am just trying to shed light on the other side of the fence.
It IS pretty dark over there. Last time I slipped and stubbed my toe. Someone should put in some of those security lights or something. I should sue Chuckwagon.

:lol:

[Skissors]

Originally posted by wes side 7
Maybe they will get with the program and get their shit together and maybe give a little somethin' back to the shore.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Originally posted by VPS RiDeR
they will probably start putting back into the trails when the van is paid off.

Why should they have to put anything back into the shore? Unless they're out there riding the trails like you and I then they shouldn't have to do jack shit! They fact that any of you would have anything bad to say about the whole chuckwagon thing is retarded. If you don't like it then don't take it. If they stopped running it completely you'd all whine and complain about that too, and you can't expect them to run it in they're own free time with what ever little bit of money they have left after trying to pay the bills. I"ve never met the people who run it but I'm sure they're nice guys and they haven't done anything negative to you so I suggest you lay off'em.

[VPS RiDeR]

Originally posted by Mulletron
I am just trying to shed light on the other side of the fence.



lol one time i was waiting for the chucker and my friend was chasing me with a stick so i jumps the fence theere and i landing in a big mud pile thing and then my shoe fell off and i steped then my sock got pooed up then it felt bad the rest of the day

[bunny]

Originally posted by Skissors
Why should they have to put anything back into the shore? Unless they're out there riding the trails like you and I then they shouldn't have to do jack shit!

truly amazing

[Kirill]

so, do they just do random runs on weekdays???

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by Skissors
Why should they have to put anything back into the shore? Unless they're out there riding the trails like you and I then they shouldn't have to do jack shit!

Perhaps my view on this matter is skewed by the fact that all the people I ride with happen to live on the Shore, ride the Shore neary every day, and put in serious time doing trail work. (Not that living on the Shore is a prerequisite to giving time to maintaining trails on the Shore, far from it.)

Or perhaps I'm hanging out with the "wrong crowd.":D

[Sharon]

It is always better to court before you screw then to rape first and apologize later...

[corey@nsmb.com]

...I wouldn't say they are "raping" anything....Its not like the guys are set to retire after a month of operation! :lol:

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Skissors
Why should they have to put anything back into the shore? Unless they're out there riding the trails like you and I then they shouldn't have to do jack shit!

Words fail me

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Words fail me

I agree. Kinda disrespectful. I guees then Skissors, people OTHER than yourself, doing jack shit, should work twice as hard to keep trails open for your needs?

[corey@nsmb.com]

Note to self: If I ever meet Skissors, and then one day see him stuck with a flat, do not give up an inner tube for him.

:lol:

[bunny]

i will say it again... truly, utterly, unbelievably, amazing.
too bad we don't have more riders with attitudes like this. :rolleyes:
mulletron, i think skissors is a girl, and you always have to help us with flats, which is probably why she thinks she can say that kind of s***.

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Note to self: If I ever meet Skissors, and then one day see him stuck with a flat, do not give up an inner tube for him.

:lol:

Good one. :D

Just say "Guess you'll have to run twice as fast to keep up with the times, your shuttle ride leaves in ten!"

[bunny]

Originally posted by Zedbra


Just say "Guess you'll have to run twice as fast to keep up with the times, your shuttle ride leaves in ten!" [/B]


hilarious... ian. when are you coming to play on the shore?

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by bunny
hilarious... ian. when are you coming to play on the shore?

I'm waiting until you tell me the jello shooters are ready.....

[bunny]

vodka and cherry. :)

[Zedbra]

make that tequilla and lime, and you'll have a house guest for a few days - don't worry, I won't stay for months like a hippie.

wanna do Squamish on Saturday?

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Note to self: If I ever meet Skissors, and then one day see him stuck with a flat, do not give up an inner tube for him.

:lol:

Whoah, and here I thought Mulletron had no sense of humor. Nice one.:D

[Skissors]

:lol: :lol: ha ha, I should have known that would cause trouble. I was just thinking in terms of trail maintanace. I still don't understand why a couple of guys should have to work on trails that they don't ride... but only if they don't ride them. If they are up there riding like you and I, then yes they should put in the work, but I meant if they're not riding, only driving people around.

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by Skissors
:lol: :lol: ha ha, I should have known that would cause trouble. I was just thinking in terms of trail maintanace. I still don't understand why a couple of guys should have to work on trails that they don't ride... but only if they don't ride them. If they are up there riding like you and I, then yes they should put in the work, but I meant if they're not riding, only driving people around.

you don't get it do you...
if they're driving BIKERS around to BIKE on the trails, then chuckwagon - as contributors to usage of the trails - should help maintain the trails, regardless of whether or not they actually ride on them themselves.

[Skissors]

Originally posted by Lady Gravity
you don't get it do you...
if they're driving BIKERS around to BIKE on the trails, then chuckwagon - as contributors to usage of the trails - should help maintain the trails, regardless of whether or not they actually ride on them themselves.

Thank you!!! :D Finally instead of just telling me I"m wrong, someone explains their point of view to me. I never thought about it that way. It does make sense.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Skissors
Thank you!!! :D Finally instead of just telling me I"m wrong, someone explains their point of view to me. I never thought about it that way. It does make sense.

Props to you for admitting a mistake and learning from it

[manalogue]

I don't have a car of my own. This means I completely rely on others in some situations. If I'm itching for a ride after work, I usually cannot get to the bottom of a hill until 7:00 because I have to ride there from Kits. Riding there, up and coming down with enough daylight to be safe can be an issue.

I've used the Chuck shuttle and had no complaints. They're a super bunch of guys who got off to a bad start. Give them a break! They're learning from their mistakes so just get over it.

Ideally, everyone who uses the trails in the shore (or any trail for that matter) should put work back into them. For the most part, the only rocks that are tossed by the thousands of riders on the shore are their own. Why not campaign these people to put back into the trail? They are just as responsible for the need for maintenance as Chuckwagon.

I've already said Chuckwagon got off to a poor start. Why don't we give them a chance to prove themselves once more?

[corey@nsmb.com]

Once, there was an old horse that grew up in a very turmultuous area. The other residents did not all accept this horse and his old age. One day, the horse died sadly of natural causes. The issue was talked about, and then it was over.

After that, the residents still did not feel satisfied. So they gathered around, and they beat that poor dead horse. When they got tired, they walked away, and then sometimes they would return to beat it down some more. This carried on for months after the poor horse had passed.

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by manalogue
I've already said Chuckwagon got off to a poor start. Why don't we give them a chance to prove themselves once more?

i agree.
and skissors - props


HAHAHAHAHA mulletron :lol:

[Dom@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Once, there was an old horse that grew up in a very turmultuous area. The other residents did not all accept this horse and his old age. One day, the horse died sadly of natural causes. The issue was talked about, and then it was over.

After that, the residents still did not feel satisfied. So they gathered around, and they beat that poor dead horse. When they got tired, they walked away, and then sometimes they would return to beat it down some more. This carried on for months after the poor horse had passed.

Oh Dear:friend: :lol:

[synchro]

Rider A goes rides his bike up the road to the top of the mountain and then down the trail. As a trail user, rider A should be doing some maintenance or contributing monitarly to organizations that support trail maintenance.

Riders B and C drive a car up the road to the top of the mountain and then ride down the trail. Afterwards they drive back up to get the first vehicle. As trail users, riders B and C should be doing some maintenance or contributing monitarly to organizations that support trail maintenance.

Rider D gets a parent/wife/girlfriend/buddy to drive them up to the top of the mountain and then they ride down the trail. As a trail user, rider D should be doing some maintenance or contributing monitarly to organizations that support trail maintenance.

Rider(s) E pays a business for a ride up to the top of the mountain in order to ride down the trail. As a trail user, rider(s) E should be doing some maintenance or contributing monitarly to organizations that support trail maintenance.

Now the first question is, in order of least overall impact to most overall impact, rank how these riders impact the trail system. BTW, the trail system includes the road up.

1. I am sure we would all agree that Rider A has the least impact on the trail system. But how about the rest.

2. Rider(s) E would be second because they are going up as a group in one vehicle and using fewer resources such as gas and oil.

3. Rider D would be next because the shuttle vehicle is only making one trip up the mountain.

4. In last place we have riders B and C because they must make two trips up the mountain for the same ride.

Where do most riders fit in? Probably as riders B and C.

Now, in terms of maintenace it has been said that all the riders should be doing some type of maintenance. Do we also expect the driver (parent/wife/friend/etc) of rider D to do some trail maintenance? Hey mom, you drove me up to the trail yesterday so now you have to come out and help me rock in a mudhole.

So why do we expect the business operators that drove rider(s) E up to the trail to do maintenance. If these people are riding the trails then they should be doing maintenance. But if they do not ride the trails then they are not really obligated to do maintenance. It is the riders responsibility to do trail maintenance

I think skissors had a valid point and that because of the emotion involved here, some people did not consider its validity.

[Smoke]

Hey Synchro.

Rider A has the greatest impact on the trail system. He is riding up and down. That is twice the distance as everyone else (unless they are doing more runs). You are equating people driving on roads with trail erosion.

Flawed concept.

There is also a school of thought which says that XC bikes are harder on trails because the pinner tires dig in harder and becaust the more conservative riding style tends to result in more skidding (I actually think it depends on the rider more than anything, but opinions are what they are).

Bottom line: If EVERYONE put in one day of effort to make the trails a better place to ride, we would have pristine trails. If you haven't put in that day in the last year, you suck (that's a genaral you, not specifically you as Synchro. I know that you are out there regularly).

I have a business which relies on having good trails that are accessible to all, and I make sure that I put in some effort to maintaining them. If your time is so valuable that you can't find the time to do some maintenance, then you should be donating a FULL DAYS PAY to the NSMBA.

Enough ranting, I'm off to go dig.

[synchro]

Originally posted by Smoke
Hey Synchro.

Rider A has the greatest impact on the trail system. He is riding up and down. That is twice the distance as everyone else (unless they are doing more runs). You are equating people driving on roads with trail erosion.

Flawed concept.



Hey Johnny, I don't want to start an argument here but you didn't even read my post thoroughly. I said rider A rides his bike up the road, not the trail as you assumed. So my concept is not "flawed" I do agree with you thouhg that if rider A was riding up the trail he would have the greatest impact. I am just looking at this from a shuttling perspective.

As I have stated before in this thread, I do think that the Chuckwagon guys should be doing maintenance if they are making their living off the trail system. Just like you do. I found it strange that many people were going off on skissors for a valid point (whether or not we agree with it) when we should be targeting, no encouraging all riders to do maintenance. That is really the crux of the situation and I think we can agree on that. Happy digging, I unfortunately have to head off to work. But I am going to build on Tuesday. Cheers.

[Keefer]

Originally posted by synchro

Now, in terms of maintenace it has been said that all the riders should be doing some type of maintenance. Do we also expect the driver (parent/wife/friend/etc) of rider D to do some trail maintenance? Hey mom, you drove me up to the trail yesterday so now you have to come out and help me rock in a mudhole.


Mom's not making money off it. That's the main issue, I think.

The Chuckwagon guys shuttled people up Seymour today for the Trail Day, props for helping out there, totally.

What I think they should do, is maybe suggest to their customers to take a bit of time and help out the trail builders by piling rocks. I think even with the signs there, if people knew about how great it is to have a pile of rocks instead of having to search for em, more people would help out.

[Smoke]

Yeah, I don't have a prob with the Chuckwagon. They aren't making much dough, and they provide a needed service. If they actually make some $$$, count on them giving back a little more.