- Street Riding -

[-rigid man-]

So........I'm curious, and not trying to start a debate, here goes.

What do you guys think of the progression of Street riding on mountain bikes?

Do you think it gets the recognition it deserves?

Are you interested to see what kind of stuff will be getting thrown down in new videos???

Are you tired of seeing street in the videos these days? And why?
(don't bag on it just cuz you can't do it)

Do you want to see more street in the vids?

What do you think about Red Bull doing a Street event?
(then our local Street guys (vancouver) can get the (U.S.) coverage they deserve)


How far is too far, even when watching guys huck silly gaps?


Thanks.

[VPS RiDeR]

i think watching street at night looks really cool in videos but i do not like watching skatepark stuff.

[brett]

-it's cool-

[Cheese]

I'm tired of the same tricks being done in every movie...thats where the new film makers on the block come in with their new ideas.

[blinded]

I buy mountain bike movies to watch people mountain bike.

:)

[VPS RiDeR]

:werd: they should have all "mountain" bike vids or all street vids. or a mix vid called "from top to bottom" ......get it, from the top of the mountain to the bottom of the mountain where there is street.

me and my ideas:)

[counterpoint]

there's only a select few that can ride street well on a mtb. And in the next year you will see some huge leaps in that area. it is getting so technical it is rad to see. On the non tech side, wait till you see the new ads where Porter and Chase put a 6 ft high quarterpipe against a brick wall in Toronto. Sickest "street" I have seen. It's good to mix in as far as videos go but in my opinion straight mtb street vids are pretty weak so far.

[blinded]

Actually, I take back what I said about buying MTB vids to watch mountain biking only... It is nice to see some street sections thrown in, like the ones in NWD series.
I don't think I could sit thru a full movie of pure mtb street extreme jibbe master extreme, when I could choose from a huge selection of bmx movies that probably are alot better.

[Steve]

Most people I know ride more than one style of bikesss.

[** Immature **]

im sick of seeing the same person doing the same line in EVERY movie ...HONESTLY nsx6 , idun monkey styles .. EVERYTHING

[M.W.]

I ride street/park on my "mountain bike" (It's not really a mountain bike anymore. Whatever, it's comfy and it doesn't break.).

I couldn't care less about the "progression" of the sport or whatever. I swear, if I hear one more person talking about progressing the sport, I might just have to throw one of my G.I. Joes out the window. Who cares, just do your own shit.

If people are riding for recognition, they should die.

The only MTB video I've seen in the last year was No Recess, and it was badass. Otherwise I mostly just watch BMX videos because they tend to not suck ass.

What I'm tired of seeing in videos these days is stupid skits. It's a bike video, not a drama or comedy.

I think the video makers should put in whatever type of riding they want.

RedBull does a street event called the Bike Battle. In Boston.

How far is too far? What do you mean by that? I guess 52.39ft is too big, but 52.38 is perfectly alright.

You're welcome.

[Millstone]

I like street trials. That's where it ends for me.

After seeing BMX vids... any of the street MTB stuff is just too boring to watch. Don't get me wrong, there's tons of skill involved I'm sure. It's just after seeing some of the stuff I've seen in vids like Forward (to name an easy to relate to example) - everything done in MTB vids seems mediocre at best.

[ak_powder_monkey]

I would like to see more street riding in movies

some of the street riding is getting old though with the same trick over and over again, I love watching trials like super balence stuff, like the riding in fat tire fury

The biggest thing that would ever happen for our sport would be getting it in the x games, dh, street, and style trials, dirtjumps need more progression and speed trials gets boring. Hmmm maybey I'll make a thread about this.

[M.W.]

Originally posted by phlegm
I like street trials. That's where it ends for me.

After seeing BMX vids... any of the street MTB stuff is just too boring to watch. Don't get me wrong, there's tons of skill involved I'm sure. It's just after seeing some of the stuff I've seen in vids like Forward (to name an easy to relate to example) - everything done in MTB vids seems mediocre at best.

Style is style, regardless of what bike it is. I've seen people do things on MTBs that were super wicked, and people do things on BMX that were super ugly. It's like saying "oh, New Jersey watched the stanley cup, so no other team is capable of making a nice play." I own Forward, and I still watch No Recess, and other BMX videos. By your logic, since I own what many people see as the best BMX video, I should find all my other videos boring, and not watch them anymore.

[M.W.]

Originally posted by ak_powder_monkey
The biggest thing that would ever happen for our sport would be getting it in the x games, dh, street, and style trials, dirtjumps need more progression and speed trials gets boring. Hmmm maybey I'll make a thread about this.

They'd never put it in the X-Games, at least not for a loong time. ESPN doesn't give 2 shits about actual riding, they just want to be able to show lots of backflips, and spins and people throwing flailey ugly variations to backwheel landing and then pedalling in between jumps on the 6 pack.

[Surreyrider]

i just started to ride street now i do booth mountain and street i can pull some nice 180's at eh skate park

[Sam B]

The endless debate. Bikes is bikes. Yes watching people huck off stuff gets old, but so does watching people do the same old sketchy pedalgrind or plain old abubaca, or big balls out attempted tailwhip that never gets landed. Street on MTBs in videos has been pretty repetative. Creativity and style are key on any terrain. Thats my opinion.

--Sam B

[sir HUCK-A-LOT]

my theory on videos:

the best video to date i believe that was made has got to be Ride to the Hills.
Why might you ask. First off kick ass soundtrack. i know it was all done without consent but songs make people want to watch sections over and over. if it has a good song people will watch it again and again...but if it dont they wont.
then it had HUGE lines and stuff being thrown down. Cinematography was amazing and a nice blend of scenic and riding was thrown in.
THe editing was then amazingly done....the opening shot for watson is so sweet...with the blood on the deck floor and then the strat of the song and we see the truck 4x4ing its way up from a helicopter into the hills. looks so dope. i was blown away when i frist saw it.
jorli is an amazing filmmaker mainly cause he has done snowboard vids and knows what people want to see. we dont want dark cramped tight shots of people slowly going through the woods....no helmet cams....or at least no more than 4 or 5 shots in th whole video.

i could go on for hours.

now i know i haven't made a video and i have no idea how hard it is to do it.
BUT i know what i want to see in a video.

i dont want to see john cowen do another superman seat grab
i dont want to see timo pritzel do another backflip
i dont want to see bender toss himself off another cliff
i dont want to see a video where the helmet cam shakes around and cuts out on big hits
i dont want to see the same shot 50 times
i dont want fruity crappy music
i dont want to see slow sections in videos


thats what i want to see in videos....and if i dont i wont buy it.

my rant....

discuss :lol:



as far as street goes it is cool and funt o do. now to capture that on film is somewhat hard to do though. some stuff is just to tech for people to understand. its like skatebaord park. why do you think the halfpipe is so crowded but the street stuff is less attended. cause people want to see big sttuff...and explosions.
in the words of bam margera "whos dick do i have to suck to get osme explosions around here"
street skate is just to tech for the average watcher. the hardcores of the sport get it but plain janes dont.
same goes for bike street. yeah when i see aaron chase andplant a 9 foot spine i am amazed but some dont get it.

there ya go

[243_ht]

whatever floats your boat, i only ride street on my mountian bike now cause its funny doing sprocket grinds on a .243 with super t's.

and in reply to the handplant, those things are crazy.

[theoriginalhardcore]

i think if people want to do street they should just get a bmx

[243_ht]

Originally posted by theoriginalhardcore
i think if people want to do street they should just get a bmx

that is a really good point, finally an answer that hasn't been said before, something original and thought out. :rolleyes:

[.243racer]

Originally posted by 243_ht
whatever floats your boat, i only ride street on my mountian bike now cause its funny doing sprocket grinds on a .243 with super t's.

and in reply to the handplant, those things are crazy.

dude you :cuffs:ed that ledge and that wooden bench didn't know what hit it:thepimp:

[Millstone]

Originally posted by M.W.
Style is style, regardless of what bike it is. I've seen people do things on MTBs that were super wicked, and people do things on BMX that were super ugly. It's like saying "oh, New Jersey watched the stanley cup, so no other team is capable of making a nice play." I own Forward, and I still watch No Recess, and other BMX videos. By your logic, since I own what many people see as the best BMX video, I should find all my other videos boring, and not watch them anymore.

I re-read my post and couldn't find where I was forcing anything on you. Mind pointing that out?

[Terrible One]

uhh....yeah, thats why people ride, just to show other people, thats what im doing wrong, now i get it!

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by sir HUCK-A-LOT

i dont want to see john cowen do another superman seat grab
i dont want to see timo pritzel do another backflip
i dont want to see bender toss himself off another cliff
i dont want to see a video where the helmet cam shakes around and cuts out on big hits
i dont want to see the same shot 50 times
i dont want fruity crappy music
i dont want to see slow sections in videos




:clap: Thank you sir!!! That helltrack section in NWD 3 was a nightmare. The riding was amazing and I am by no means knocking it, but the mind numbing repetitivness was brutal.


Furthermore,
I like riding street on my bike. I think other people do too.....um yah thats all I have to say.

[Schaefdog]

Meh, I got a BMX. its not just easier to do a lot of tricks, it expands what I can do. There are soo many more variations in street riding. Ill keep my Mountain bike for the mountains.

[243_ht]

Originally posted by Schaefdog
Meh, I got a BMX. its not just easier to do a lot of tricks, it expands what I can do. There are soo many more variations in street riding. Ill keep my Mountain bike for the mountains.

yeah thats exactly it.

[M.W.]

Originally posted by phlegm
I re-read my post and couldn't find where I was forcing anything on you. Mind pointing that out?

I never said you were. You made a point, I'm arguing that point. I'm saying that by your logic, every time a new "better" video came out, everyone would throw their old one in the garbage because had become obscelete.

[badfish]

street is sweet.

there's always new moves done by all riders in each vid.

keep the good times comin'!

I like seeing tech tricks done on a big bike, i think it shows mad skill to toss tech tricks on a big bike rather than a little bmx.

i'll buy da vids with street in it, all you haters can stick to watching ride to the hills.

[Millstone]

Originally posted by M.W.
I never said you were. You made a point, I'm arguing that point. I'm saying that by your logic, every time a new "better" video came out, everyone would throw their old one in the garbage because had become obscelete.

Not obsolete. Just fast-forward worthy. I still like to see MOUNTAIN BIKING in mtb vids.

[Savona]

why do people care what people ride and what they ride it on. mountain bikes on the "street" will never be able to throw down stuff as crazy a bmx can but who cares its fun and is DIFFERENT. Progression in street riding eventually trickles down into the shore and trail riding sectors and helps mtbing evolve. Plus, the stuff being done on bmx's is getting so fast its becoming unstylish (in my opinion). I spend at least half of my total riding time screwing around in my yard. This allows me to see lines and throw down weird shit that none of the people i ride with can do. Also, when i have no one to shuttle my sorry as up the mountain instead of calling it a day and going for icecream i can fuck around on a curb for hours. there is always so much to learn and so much riding to be done! Although its not " real mountain biking" and bmxers think its silly "street"is fun andas long as im riding im happy.

[Br0\/\/dy]

I think that #1 this is dumb, and #2 too many of you are closed minded. The beauty of a Mountain bike is, that in the morning you can do a wicked north shore trail, then ride to Mcdonalds pulling street shit the whole way, then after 'you eat, you can go to the DJ's and hit MX style dirt ramps that are fucking huge. With a mountain bike you can do huge drops, street, and dirt jump you hace the best, most versitale tool for fun. All you are doing is limiting the sport and yourself. BMX style street riding and BMX style tricks have only been a part of mountain biking for like 3 or 4 years. BMX has been doing this stuff for like 15 at least. Of course when the sport is just beginning to expand its not going to be as good it needs time to progress.
I also can't stand videos with the same crap over and over again. Thats why I like to ride street, but in the vids alot of it is just repetative. I watch vids so I can gain confidence to try things, and get ideas. If you don't enjoy watching mountain biking over BMX, and you like BMX so much more, then get a BMX bike. Ten years from now the mountain bikers will be able to kick your ass.

[hags]

Originally posted by Br0\/\/dy
Ten years from now the mountain bikers will be able to kick your ass.


hahah how?
its not like bmx is just going to stop progressing for 10 years so that mtbs can catch up. as mountain biking, or street riding porgresses, so will bmx, they (bmx) will still be like 10 years ahead of us 10 years from now.

[Savona]

Originally posted by Br0\/\/dy
I think that #1 this is dumb, and #2 too many of you are closed minded. The beauty of a Mountain bike is, that in the morning you can do a wicked north shore trail, then ride to Mcdonalds pulling street shit the whole way, then after 'you eat, you can go to the DJ's and hit MX style dirt ramps that are fucking huge. With a mountain bike you can do huge drops, street, and dirt jump you hace the best, most versitale tool for fun. All you are doing is limiting the sport and yourself. BMX style street riding and BMX style tricks have only been a part of mountain biking for like 3 or 4 years. BMX has been doing this stuff for like 15 at least. Of course when the sport is just beginning to expand its not going to be as good it needs time to progress.
I also can't stand videos with the same crap over and over again. Thats why I like to ride street, but in the vids alot of it is just repetative. I watch vids so I can gain confidence to try things, and get ideas. If you don't enjoy watching mountain biking over BMX, and you like BMX so much more, then get a BMX bike. Ten years from now the mountain bikers will be able to kick your ass.

werd

the reason i own a mtb is because it can adapt to what i want to do today. Wether thats drops, dirtjumps, downhill, street, or even xc. The possibility for progression on my mtb is endless and keeps me busy.

[Broken Fusion!]

here it comes:

http://freehost02.websamba.com:8888/brokenfusion/repeat.gif

[Savona]

Originally posted by Broken Fusion!
here it comes:

http://freehost02.websamba.com:8888/brokenfusion/repeat.gif

?

[Br0\/\/dy]

Originally posted by rydogg
hahah how?
its not like bmx is just going to stop progressing for 10 years so that mtbs can catch up. as mountain biking, or street riding porgresses, so will bmx, they (bmx) will still be like 10 years ahead of us 10 years from now.

But we can a BMX ryder so a tailwhip over 50 foot gaps? Can they do20 foot drops to sloped repeatedly? Its just a matter of time before mountain bikers are going to start to mix it up, watch Berrecloth and Voreis in the near future, I think you will be surprised.

[Millstone]

Originally posted by Br0\/\/dy
But we can a BMX ryder so a tailwhip over 50 foot gaps? Can they do20 foot drops to sloped repeatedly? Its just a matter of time before mountain bikers are going to start to mix it up, watch Berrecloth and Voreis in the near future, I think you will be surprised.

Yes. Yes.

[hags]

wasnt there a dude who did a 54 foot backflip?

[Broken Fusion!]

Originally posted by Savona
?

I wasn't aiming the horse at you, Lynden. (or maybe Tylor?)


It's cause there's so many posts about street riding on here the topic has been done to death.
Like a dead horse, it should be left alone for nature to take its course.
However, it gets not the rest it deserves, but is still beaten even after death. Repeatedly.

[243_ht]

Originally posted by Broken Fusion!
I wasn't aiming the horse at you, Lynden. (or maybe Tylor?)


It's cause there's so many posts about street riding on here the topic has been done to death.
Like a dead horse, it should be left alone for nature to take its course.
However, it gets not the rest it deserves, but is still beaten even after death. Repeatedly.

yeah but some people like being repetitive.

[Broken Fusion!]

Originally posted by 243_ht
yeah but some people like being repetitive.

That was the stupidest thing I've heard all night.


I gotta get off the computer :|

[blinded]

Originally posted by Br0\/\/dy
But we can a BMX ryder so a tailwhip over 50 foot gaps? Can they do20 foot drops to sloped repeatedly?

errr... yes and yes. I've seen a roof gap TO drop on a pretty old bmx video. and it was butter smooth. Still haven't seen anything as cool as that.

[m33p]

Originally posted by -rigid man-
So........I'm curious, and not trying to start a debate, here goes.

What do you guys think of the progression of Street riding on mountain bikes?

Do you think it gets the recognition it deserves?

Are you interested to see what kind of stuff will be getting thrown down in new videos???

Are you tired of seeing street in the videos these days? And why?
(don't bag on it just cuz you can't do it)

Do you want to see more street in the vids?

What do you think about Red Bull doing a Street event?
(then our local Street guys (vancouver) can get the (U.S.) coverage they deserve)


How far is too far, even when watching guys huck silly gaps?


Thanks.
Not interested in the new stuff because no matter what it is, it's been done by bmx'ers, and when we do it, it looks super lame(aside frrom a few moves)

Street in video's nowadays licks the cack, I'd like to see more 24 guys in video's because they can actually ride real street, not this tech lamer shit. Local street is at an alltime boringness.

Redbull street would be good, because it would be a bigger event, and get some coverage, although street isn't all that demanding, and I don't think it need's coverage because it's an embarrassment(imo guys) comapared to riding the hills and other things that are truly ours. Not to mention bmx street makes us look like pathetic riders. I'd much rather watch silly gaps a la NWD3 because theres risk involved, like killing yourself or breaking bones, most of the movies with street in them now you'd be hard pressed to break an ankle doing anything they do.

[Mr. Charles]

i kind of forgot the question, but...

pretty much i find all MTB videos boring as fuck. In fact, i only get excited by good street, and BMX.

also, MTB vids a pretty damn... oh... dorky(?)... way too many efforts to be funny and hip. first, i don't want to see that, and second, the efforts just fail.

that said, i love the first 10 minutes of Animal so much... I find that I watch it once a month.




as for my riding, i do both (however, now it's mostly street becasue of where i live).

Street at night, trail by day.

yes, i set up my bike for the respective job. it's not hard to swap out a set of wheels and re-tweek the fork.

[jack]

yeh chuking street in mtb is fine i think but i say it should be hard core street none of this miling about shit. sure mtb will never be as good as bmx for street but i think the big street drops and stair gaps are great but can become repetative. and as sumone said earlier in the thread cut out this stupid drama crap as it is an embarasment to mtb. an example of this is search for the holy trail. full of mindnumbing random crap! nwd3 i would have to say is one of the best mtb vids ive seen along with the down series. also as sumone else has said the soundtrack also has a huge effect of the veiwer. i have found myself rewatching sections with really good soundtracks. so get out there ride what makes u happy. as to what makes a good film is huge insane stunts as sumone said "huge and explosions" i thibnk that is pretty dam ride so make us a film that is unrepetative,big,insane and with a nice mix of riding!!

[Big_Air_Smite]

It's all about the music, a local video 'Natural Selection' (www.quackproductions.tk) has a couple of sequences that just watch over and over and over again because the footage is awsome but also because the songs get me psyched. Also, in the final episode of Drop In, the 'best of' episode the sequence that starts with Dylan dropping off the skinny and goes on to show some of the big gaps and drops kinrade pulls of in Loops is the best movie footage I've seen. Taj's etnies vid teaser has me hooked, I watch it over and over again.

I think the messing around parts of riding are funny, and should be caught on camera, what's the point in riding if you can't arse around and fall about while doing it.

There are aspects of MOUNTAIN biking that I think would be very hard to capture, like an early morning ride where you ride to the top of a huge mountain in the early morning light, and reach the top and look out over the mountains, above the clouds, with the red light covering everything. That feeling just cannot be captured.

[Savona]

Originally posted by 243_ht
yeah but some people like being repetitive.

repetion sells Canadian Legal Will Kits

[-rigid man-]

So tha majority of you guys don't want to see Street or Urban in vids anymore, at all?

What about the magazines? Who wants all the new school mags to stop printing any kind of Urban or Street footage?

[preston]

Ride more, and bitch less, mountain bikers are fucking loosers.

[Tha Niggla]

it's not even called street anymore...it's called URBAN STUNTING.

[deaf]

Just ride what you want to ride, and dont flame if someone doesn't meat your standards.
nuff said



Mc

[Schaefdog]

Originally posted by preston
Ride more, and bitch less, mountain bikers are fucking loosers. Ding Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.....mountain bikers (urban stunting) Just dont get it. no offense....

[FOX]

I thought it was called jibb'n now??? Bahahhahaha....

Just ride your bloody bikes on what ever you like.

Film it or not.

I like to see a full mix of riding on vids, but the main thing is how well the vid is put together.

Personally though, I find trail riding and hucking boring to watch, because I can do it fairly proficiantly. I suck on street, so I love to watch it to help me learn.

FOX

[Bukkake]

I like my street bike because if I wanted to I could ride it to the shore in the morning, go do some dirtjumps, hit some street on the way home and have tons of fun the whole time.

My bike may not excel at any one thing, but it allows me to do a little bit of everything and since I don't really know where I want to go with my riding at this point it is perfect for me.

BTW I dont think riders have to "risk death" to be impressive.

[pedalfile]

do you guys mean "street" as in droping loading docks to flat?

if so, i love that kind of stuff.

[Bukkake]

Originally posted by pedalfile
do you guys mean "street" as in droping loading docks to flat?

if so, i love that kind of stuff.

I prefer building little jumps on the edge so you can get lots of height off them and fall even further to flat.

[M.W.]

Originally posted by Barak
I prefer building little jumps on the edge so you can get lots of height off them and fall even further to flat.

Flat? It's all about the uphill these days...

[-rigid man-]

Originally posted by M.W.
Flat? It's all about the uphill these days...

Dansition

:lol: