getting a little jealous?

[spookymilk]

While I was flippin through some somewhat old MBA's I found an interesting and kind of funny letter that someone wrote, it goes as follows:

Your comments on the OnePointFive (What's New From Manitou,"MBA June 2002) don't address the proper issues, especially concerning a company that has no credibility in the freeride market. I remember a time when Manitou said that producing a four-inch-travel single crown wasn't possible. Now they want to define a new standard in freeriding with the so-called OnePointFive standard? Marzocchi's long travel single-crown Bombers defined freeriding as it's known today; Manitou has focused on light-weight cross-county parts. Go figure. it all comes down to costs relative to benefits, not specifically consumer demand. I would certainly feel that the cost of making a manufacturing shift to OnePointFive would cost more relative to the benefits. Since we designed are so-called Freeride steer-tube, we have had no issues with breakage. Since Marzocchi owns the market in extreme freeride areas like BC, Canada, we have credibility to deliver preformace-oriented designs. First Manitou should make a fork that will handle the the extremes of freeriding, then they can try to introduce a new standard. I'm surprised by the fact that you guys hand a company with absolutely no market credibility in freeriding the option to define it. You guys need to spend more time riding in BC than Southern California
Bryson Martin
Marzocchi

[bullit_kid]

no issue with steer tube breakage HA!

[Shmoe]

Ill go with that guy when marzocchi makes a DJ fork you can actually dirt jump on.

[.glib]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
no issue with steer tube breakage HA!
Have many people actually broken the steel ones that have been pressed in? I only ever hear about the aluminum ones...

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by Gandalf
Have many people actually broken the steel ones that have been pressed in? I only ever hear about the aluminum ones...

what do they come stock with ?

[243_ht]

yeah i had a marz steer tube snap under the bikes weight off a 2 foot log.

[spookymilk]

Originally Posted by bullit_kid
no issue with steer tube breakage HA!

Exactly my point

[freeeeeerider]

Haha i love how Mr. Martin says" marzocchi owns the market in extreme freeride areas such as Bc". More like his single crown POS forks are getting owned left, right and center. Obviously he hasnt checked on his warranty department lately....

[the ridiculator]

what a fucking moron
manitou owns them

[DangerousDean]

people have broken steel tubnes too... just not SNAPPED .. my friend broke 2 steel ones... bent them one outward and one inward... and he doesnt even huck.

[Kevan]

I dont get it. I had a friend who beat the SHIT out of his Z5's.....they never broke. No one I even know has had problems with Marzs forks, but I hear about them breaking for basically no real reasons all the time. Guess everyone i know just got lucky....

[wilkez]

rockshox for life

[Corrupt Rodent]

Originally posted by wilkez
rockshox for life
:werd:

[the ridiculator]

manitou for life

[scab12]

my dirt jummper 1 has lasted me a long time

[Cheese]

maybe if people stoped casing jumps they woulnd't break...thats a lota strees that goes onto the steer tube there ya know. I'm not saying I dont case, but if your going to be casing maybe you should be investing in a triple clamp or a steel steer tube. I admit everyone cases, but its the people that do it ofton where the forks break.

[MaxPowers]

Originally posted by Kevan
I dont get it. I had a friend who beat the SHIT out of his Z5's.....they never broke. No one I even know has had problems with Marzs forks, but I hear about them breaking for basically no real reasons all the time. Guess everyone i know just got lucky....
me too, the only broken ones ive seen are mine (due to a nose case :lol:) and even that was a 4 year old 98 z5, and my friends (also in the video). everyone around here seems happy with their marz forks, and ive only ever seen 2 shermans.
Originally posted by Cheese
maybe if people stoped casing jumps they woulnd't break...thats a lota strees that goes onto the steer tube there ya know. I'm not saying I dont case, but if your going to be casing maybe you should be investing in a triple clamp or a steel steer tube. I admit everyone cases, but its the people that do it ofton where the forks break.
exactly, forks dont just break for no reason, or 2 foot drops. with the amount of punishment some forks are put through, im surprised that they still live.

[FreeWheeler]

I remember that letter.
I think Manitou maybe gained a little market credebility since then. Or Marz has lost a lot.

[Broken Fusion!]

Cheese and MAx Powers nailed it.

Let me call the waaah-mbulance. And not for the guy who wrote the letter.

[switch]

Originally posted by Broken Fusion!
Cheese and MAx Powers nailed it.

Let me call the waaah-mbulance. And not for the guy who wrote the letter.

:lol:

:werd:

[synchro]

Originally posted by Broken Fusion!
Cheese and MAx Powers nailed it.

Let me call the waaah-mbulance. And not for the guy who wrote the letter.

One thing you guys are forgetting to think about is the reason you hear about more Marz forks snapping. It's not necessarily because they are a pos, but because they come stock on almost any decent bike sold here. If there are 10 Marz forks for evey 1 Manitou/RockShox then the chances are pretty good that you'll hear about the Marz breaking first. It's just the law of averages.

[switch]

Originally posted by synchro
One thing you guys are forgetting to think about is the reason you hear about more Marz forks snapping. It's not necessarily because they are a pos, but because they come stock on almost any decent bike sold here. If there are 10 Marz forks for evey 1 Manitou/RockShox then the chances are pretty good that you'll hear about the Marz breaking first. It's just the law of averages.

That's too obvious, so most people won't get it. ;)

[sir HUCK-A-LOT]

haha maybe that guy didn't get the box of broken forks i had last year.

i will say i haven't had any problem with the new '03 forks yet. but i haven't been doing aything really that would destory them. grouse took a toll on the forks lat year cause of how hard the dirt was and coming up short. same with whistler riding down the mtn.

so far so good. but im still going to manitou

[Dom@nsmb.com]

Geezz, and you still wonder why the bike bizz peeps don't come here:rolleyes:

[Bukkake]

That kind of mudslinging shoudn't be neccesary to sell a product.
It's disgusting.

BTW on another note I haven't had a problem with my 2000 Z-1. I am aware that a failure can be dangerous so I maintain my fork. I got a steel steer tube pressed in and I inspect my fork constantly. I even replaced the stanchions when I noticed a stress crack right under the crown on one of them. I dont give a shit if I have to get new steel steerers pressed in if they bend. A bent fork is worlds better than a snapped face-killing catastrophic failure. You just have to be aware that sc forks aren't meant to take ton's of abuse and be careful with them.

I am still gonna get a Flick when I have the bling. I just don't want to break my z-1. I'd rather keep it around as a spare.

[inshane]

hacks= broken steer tubes

[just ride]

ive only had my (2000 z1) for 6 months and i havent ridden it really hard (yet heh) but i have no problems with it, i love it and it feels excellent, im the 3rd owner and its still goin strong... i dont think i will ever ride anything but marzocchi...

[ES-OH-ES]

Originally posted by "inshane"
hacks= broken steer tubes

Ha! If only hacks break steerer tubes, then how many ave you broken?

[Jaysin]

Originally posted by wilkez
rockshox for life

:duh: NOT!! bahahaha sorry Ty, not with you on this one, I'm BACK:D

[blinded]

Originally posted by Dom@nsmb.com
Geezz, and you still wonder why the bike bizz peeps don't come here:rolleyes:

because they will cry when they see the piles of broken forks at the Mt. Fork dump, thats why.

[David]

RST is the way to go

[scab12]

rst are piece of shit and so are rock shocks dam cross country people and the old school monster tripple is the way to go

[switch]

Originally posted by Barak
...I got a steel steer tube pressed in...

That's what I did too. I ordered the beefiest steel steer tube that Norco supplies.

[that person]

ive never once had a problem with marzocchi forks for the two and a hlaf years ive had them. first i had a z-4 flylight air fom 2000 with a aluminum steer tube and rode it for for about 2 years. every thing eventually wears out so the seals on it went and the stanchions gold stuff turned silver so i got a 2002 mxc. was around that time i started hearing mass stories of marzocchis breaking and it scared me a little. ridin that one with a steel steer tube for about 6 months now and not a single problem. Ive found the best marzocchi dj forks for the money are the low end xc single crowns with low travel if you cant afford a top of the line sc or even more expensive dc. i think the more stanchion sticking out makes it more easy to break them. As long as my marzocchi doesent break ill always ride there brand but only with a steel steer tube and no more then 4" travel on a single crown.

[Big_Air_Smite]

I've had problems with marz, so I am moving to shermans, hoping for better. Simple.

[Neo]

freeriding is hard on bikes.

[synchro]

Originally posted by Dante Alighieri
freeriding is hard on bikes.

Gee Blaine, if you get any smarter we're going to have to lock you up.

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by Dante Alighieri
freeriding is hard on bikes.

master of the obvious?? :lol:

[white ri0t]

I never really had any problems with marz, but back in 95 I used to crack the crown bolts alot on my XC 600.

But my Super T is fine :P

[Bukkake]

I lowered my z-1 to 4" 's of travel and it feels way better now.
The travel is stiffer and there is less flex.
No dirt jumping fork/urban sc fork should have more than 4" 's
travel. IMO

You just don't 5 inches for that kind of stuff and it produces extra leverage to break the fork faster. If your bombing down gnarly trails then 5inches is good but then you are also submitting the fork to the type of stress it is designed to take and it will last much longer.

I think the problem with the dirt jumper forks is they are fine provided you land every jump. Casing is bad news for the fork and everybody does it once in a while so it's a problem for sure.

[davet]

Originally posted by Barak
I think the problem with the dirt jumper forks is they are fine provided you land every jump. Casing is bad news for the fork and everybody does it once in a while so it's a problem for sure.

And after the rider cases and does the initial damage, two rides later it breaks and we get the post

"Shitty Marzocchi fork breaks going off a 6" curb"

If they made a bombproof fork that would withstand any abuse, then all would complain that it's too heavy and too expensive. It's come to be expected that you can buy the cheapest component and subject it to more abuse than it was designed for, and have the manufacturer be responsible for supplying you with warranty forks for life. And when they refuse, we get the post

"Shitty Marzocchi warranty"