Flywheel (Burke Mountain) Maintenance Day

[ATN]

I'd like to get some guys together and just rock in puddles, fix up bridges, etc. Nothing too drastic, just repairing it after a season of heavy use.

Anyone who would like to help please PM me.

I have yet to schedule a date, but I am thinking over the Christmas holidays, or maybe just one Sunday.

[ATN]

There maybe will be a ride on Friday just to determine what needs to be done.

[LostBoyScout]

The ladder over the log right at the bottom (with the really narrow down ladder) needs a few rungs, actually a few of em do..

Lemme know what day is decided upon to fix 'er up and I'm there, if I'm free :)

[ATN]

As I said, nothign has been decided yet, although I am planning to focus my efforts on my own trail. Still, if anyone wants to spend a day fixing up structures, I'm probably there. It may be better to wait for the mud to dry up, though.

[twofortythree]

yah

[LostBoyScout]

I saw someone riding up Coast with what appeared to be an axe poking out of their backpack yesterday, who was that? How'd it go? I was driving down in a tinted black Golf, headed downtown to ride trials :)

[ATN]

That would be me. The axe didn't get used much, but we got a lot of structure done for me & my friends trail. Building in the winter is not fun, I don't have any raingear and had to borrow my dad's old stuff. I msut have looked really ugly. Today was a great day for urban, tho.

[twofortythree]

yah we had a huge session.

[125]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
yah we had a huge session. we sure did8)

[barry]

where is burke anyway? sounds like alot of dedication building...good work

[KamaKazi]

Burke mountain is on the Port Coquitlam/Coquitlam border

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
yah we had a huge session.

You weren't there.

[sdubfid]

how is the bridge going over the small creek between galloway and flywheel holding up? and is there any mud up high that needs fixing?

[ATN]

Originally posted by sdubfid
how is the bridge going over the small creek between galloway and flywheel holding up? and is there any mud up high that needs fixing?

that small bridge is just fine. As for mud up high, there are sections of gallo that are creeks. I havent done any other trails lately, so i can't say about them.

[twofortythree]

we built a latter on upp galloway todo over a creek

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
we built a latter on upp galloway todo over a creek

were you with 2 other guys with backpacks full of wood riding up harper? i think i might have passed you going down.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Did you do all of the new building on Ryan's??

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
were you with 2 other guys with backpacks full of wood riding up harper? i think i might have passed you going down.

Yup, that's us. We cut the rungs at one guy's house on highland street... that way we don't need tot ake a chainsaw up the moutnain. Were u in the blue giro helmet? i was on the red giant, bb2 was on the stinky.

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Did you do all of the new building on Ryan's??

Nope but I know who did.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by burkebuilder
Were u in the blue giro helmet?

yup, that was me.

did you say you know the person who's doing that building near ryans? theres some crazy stuff in there, really well built too:)

[ATN]

The guy who is building on ryans isn't on the bb, but sent me an email one day cuz he saw my email on the board. I have never been up the mountain with him.

[sdubfid]

what is ryans? somebodys house or a trail??

[ATN]

Originally posted by sdubfid
what is ryans? somebodys house or a trail??

Ryans = red R

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I wonder why the builders of the new stuff on Ryan's are staying so quite. They seem to be the most productive builders on Burke these days. If I were them I would be on the site so I could hear of all the good comments that are starting to come in. After riding it on sunday it now pokes all the way out on to the bottom of Ryan's. I sure would like to meet them and thank them for building such a great trail. I hope that they tie it onto galloway and eliminate the climb back up the gravel road.:)

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
I wonder why the builders of the new stuff on Ryan's are staying so quite. They seem to be the most productive builders on Burke these days. If I were them I would be on the site so I could hear of all the good comments that are starting to come in. After riding it on sunday it now pokes all the way out on to the bottom of Ryan's. I sure would like to meet them and thank them for building such a great trail. I hope that they tie it onto galloway and eliminate the climb back up the gravel road.:)

Tim (builder) says he is not the best with comps. That's prob why he is not on here. I don't build as much as him, I just live at the bottom of burke and ride it lots. Burkebuidler sounds catchy. Right now my priority is just bridging the creeks on upper galloway, just to add more flow.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

That's cool, I haven't been down galloway lately. If I see you up there I will stop and help for a bit

[ATN]

The last bridge went up in 30 mins because we had pre-split the rungs down the mountain.

Flywheel was a mudpit today.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I agree it does need some work on the puddles and the actual trail. It needs cross draining and it also needs some backfilling with rock in some spots. All needed if it is to be a true year round trail

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
I agree it does need some work on the puddles and the actual trail. It needs cross draining and it also needs some backfilling with rock in some spots. All needed if it is to be a true year round trail

Yes, it's getting pretty bad. Still, it's location is prime.

[twofortythree]

yah the last bridge was really good....the really long log ride at the beggining ryans is veryvery well done and the new stuff like big ass drop.:D :D :D :D

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
yah the last bridge was really good....the really long log ride at the beggining ryans is veryvery well done and the new stuff like big ass drop.:D :D :D :D

that new trail is so sick:eek: i just rode it (well, walked half of it:rolleyes: ) today and it was awsome:D some uber quality work done on there too:)

[ATN]

just got back from doing stuff on gallwoay. we bridged a creek and built a drop... next weekend we'll build a tranny lol

it's ridable tho.

[billop]

there is something else. we could build another drop/huck ,whatever you want to call it, or we could build a teeter. what do you think? :idea:

[125]

build a coaster like the one on ladies!!!!!!!!

[ATN]

That wasn't one of the options. But you did get me thinking.

[billop]

We should go up sometime and build a coater some where. It'll be easy. :rolleyes: But really a teeter or a drop. :???:

[ATN]

It's a little harder to build a true coaster instead of the POS on the connector....

You need to curve everything by bending some pinner cedar trees or use plywood cutouts. Remember what joe schwartz was riding in nwd3?

[billop]

I know it won't be easy. Thus the :rolleyes: . But I read somewhere that you don't bend the wood, you run around the woods till you find 2 peices of wood that are already bent and are identical. But i don't have the time or the energy....actually i do but i don't want to run around the woods like an idiot. Instead id rather ride the trails like a maniac, always being aware of my suroundings of course. :angel:

[ATN]

Originally posted by BurkeBuilder3
I know it won't be easy. Thus the :rolleyes: . But I read somewhere that you don't bend the wood, you run around the woods till you find 2 peices of wood that are already bent and are identical. But i don't have the time or the energy....actually i do but i don't want to run around the woods like an idiot. Instead id rather ride the trails like a maniac, always being aware of my suroundings of course. :angel:

You will have a lot of time to build trails once you blow your fork up for good. That should happen in under a month.

[billop]

Yea. But than again I will get a new one...but if i don't than I will try to work on the trail everyday. But you guys better keep them supplies of wood a comin. And I will need your advice on what to build so you better come up once in a while too.

[billop]

Since I'm waitin for a new fork, id like to do some work on flywheel and upper Galloway.

I want to clear some mud pits and build a few drainages. I will need help so i suggest we oragnize a some sort of Maintanence day.

If you check the weather you will find it will be raining a lot for the next week :cry: so we wont go anytime soon unless it clears up. =/ Let me know when you're free and we can do a little fix up.

[Pioter]

We could go on saturday, hopefully the weather will be better. All we need is a shovel to build a canal going off to the side from the water pits. Doesn't need to be a big maintanence day, but the water pits add to the scenery. Or we could drain it and rebuild it adding drops and other things.

[Pioter]

Originally posted by BurkeBuilder3
Since I'm waitin for a new fork
When do u expect your new fork? or will u go for discs?

[billop]

Sure...the mud pits are beautiful:rolleyes: but they are not good for the trail and the riders. They gotta be drained.

BTW i am gettin the forks.....disk brakes will only :lol:STOP:lol:....me from trying bigger drops.

[KamaKazi]

what time will you guys be going up if you go to do some work on sat?

[Pioter]

I'm not gonna go, cuz im goin yo the motorcycle show, but I'm guessin they will leave around 11.

[billop]

We were gonna go sat. but burkebuilder is busy sat. so we gonna go wed. Hope you can make it. We may need a few extra hands to carry some rungs. :thepimp:

[KamaKazi]

Originally posted by BurkeBuilder3
We were gonna go sat. but burkebuilder is busy sat. so we gonna go wed. Hope you can make it. We may need a few extra hands to carry some rungs. :thepimp:

when and where are we going to meet?

[billop]

We planned to go at around 10:30. Where we meet, I don't quite know.:???: Me or burkebuilder will PM you when the plans are finalized (tommorow at school).:thepimp:

[Trail Rider 1.0]

check your pm box bb3:)

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
check your pm box bb3:)

bb3 doesn't have email notification because he used one of my email addresses to sign up.

[billop]

Yea but i do check my PM box every 10 miutes. And no i do not ride a launch. I wish i did...:drool: i ride a piece of :censored:. But its not the ride, its the rider....well its kinda the ride. Still I love riding and who knows what I could do with a better bike??

[Trail Rider 1.0]

alright... does anyone here ride a launch and was up doing galloway on saturday the 18th?

[LostBoyScout]

Interesting fact. I have (well, my dad owns) a 'Kawasaki Mule', which is basically a cross between an ATV and a pickup truck. More on the ATV side, but it has about a 4x4' bed which can hold plenty of building supplies. All it needs to get full access to the mountain is a trail to bypass the gate with. Kind of dangerous I spose legally, but a neat thought nonetheless.

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Interesting fact. I have (well, my dad owns) a 'Kawasaki Mule', which is basically a cross between an ATV and a pickup truck. More on the ATV side, but it has about a 4x4' bed which can hold plenty of building supplies. All it needs to get full access to the mountain is a trail to bypass the gate with. Kind of dangerous I spose legally, but a neat thought nonetheless.

I know people with keys to the gate.

[LostBoyScout]

That could be a winning combination.

[billop]

Yea...If i had money:( I'd pay for the gas to take us up there. Anyways I was at Galloway today and it still needs alot of work. One more maintanence day just won't do it. It needs drainages because the mud is absolutely everywhere. There's no getting on the ladders if it has rained 2 days ago. Any tips on building drainages....other than from nsmba.com?

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
alright... does anyone here ride a launch and was up doing galloway on saturday the 18th?

i was on a stinkee but dont know if that was the day

[twofortythree]

im gonna come up too on sunday c yah there and pm me too

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by BurkeBuilder3
Yea...If i had money:( I'd pay for the gas to take us up there. Anyways I was at Galloway today and it still needs alot of work. One more maintanence day just won't do it. It needs drainages because the mud is absolutely everywhere. There's no getting on the ladders if it has rained 2 days ago. Any tips on building drainages....other than from nsmba.com?

The 'Mule' runs on deisel and really doesn't use much at all, so that's a non-issue. As for the drainages.. that's tough on the low trails since it's so flat.. probably the only way to successfully do it, is to dig waterbars at 45 degrees across the trail every 20-30 feet in the bad areas, and put in wooden U-shaped things for the water to run out on, shore style :)

[billop]

i saw something like that, but the wooden ^u^ shape thing soon turned into a /U\ kinda thing. But i guess with enough of them and some maint. this trail could actually last...:>

[Pioter]

Oh. So its a short canal goin across the path? I dont get the concept. How would gutters like in bowling alley work on a trail??

[billop]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Interesting fact. I have (well, my dad owns) a 'Kawasaki Mule', which is basically a cross between an ATV and a pickup truck. More on the ATV side, but it has about a 4x4' bed which can hold plenty of building supplies. All it needs to get full access to the mountain is a trail to bypass the gate with. Kind of dangerous I spose legally, but a neat thought nonetheless.

how many bikes could it fit?
http://www.alliancekawasaki.com/images/KAF620-E2-r.jpg

[billop]

And where would we go?? Still I'd rather walk alone than with a bike. Some drives the bikes up with someone else. One person stay while another comes down and with the mule. And the rest walk up.:>:>:> What do you think?

[Pioter]

I think 4 people could fit on it, bike on roof or 2, 2 in back, 2 people in back also, and 2 people in the seat.

[LostBoyScout]

4 people and bikes is possible.. it would be tight but doable! Three isn't a problem.

The wooden irrigation canals would only really work well on hardpack situations. Maintenance is key to having them last too. They only have to be about 2" wide so you won't even feel em on a bike :)

And Saturday actually doesn't work for me anymore but Sunday still does. I live on Argyle, right down from harper :)

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
4 people and bikes is possible.. it would be tight but doable! Three isn't a problem.

The wooden irrigation canals would only really work well on hardpack situations. Maintenance is key to having them last too. They only have to be about 2" wide so you won't even feel em on a bike :)

And Saturday actually doesn't work for me anymore but Sunday still does. I live on Argyle, right down from harper :)

Argyle eh? I have ridden past your house so many times and not known it. Are you the first house (anvil auto glass) or the second?

It would be cool to hookup sunday... either flywheel maintenence or ride vics.

[Pioter]

How many houses are on that street? I can only picture 2. The anvil auto glass with the honda hybrid and the house with the Ford 550. I can only tell by the cars :( . I think there was one more with a camaro body in front of the garage, but that might be from one of the 2 houses i said.

[twofortythree]

ill be there

[billop]

I'll be there:D Unless it rains :( Ahh I'll probably be there doin some maint. on flywheel if it rains.:rolleyes: :thepimp:

[Pioter]

If it rains then its a perfect time to see what needs fixing and draining

[billop]

Yes:) :( :o :D ;) :P :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :thepimp: :???: :eek: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:

[Pioter]

Originally posted by Szymon
Yes:) :( :o :D ;) :P :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :thepimp: :???: :eek: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
Getting hooked on the smilies, eh?:duh: :high:

[billop]

So the next time it rains WE could go up there and check it out. That will be tons o' fun:rolleyes: My favourite one is this guy :fro: But enough talk, lets do it.:thepimp:

[billop]

Alright we're gonna head up to Flywheel with some shovels and attempt to drain some of the lakes beside the ladders.:thepimp:

[billop]

Ahh!! Theres too many puddles to fill and not enough rocks! I suggest we take up a lot of chopped cedar and build some ladders over top of the puddles.:thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

hehehe, I knew that would be a problem! Any puddles on the trail where the trail is not the lowest part of the land, you can dig little waterbars to get the water flowing off the trail.. but I think Flywheel is the lowest part for a lot of it.. :/ Tough one! Bridges are a good way to fix though!! You don't even have to elevate them, the thickness of the lengthwise logs of the ladders should get ya above the water.. and just elevate parts.. that could be a lotta work though! :eek:

[billop]

Sure it could be a lot of work. Thats why we need help. This will be a new project we could work on. It'll be huge, we just need the supplies. Do you think this deserves its own Thread?:thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

I agree and count me in for next weekend to help out. My only reservation is I don't want to spend countless hours on a trail that a) will be torn down in the not too distant future (a worry about Flywheel), or b) Doesn't have the potential

In the case of Flyhweel.. I think it makes an awesome finishing trail after a ride on higher trails, and the top part is fun. The bottom has a good flow, smoother and faster which is really nice when you're dead tired from riding higher trails. I agree we need to make it rideable, but I personally am not sure that it's worth pouring a ton of time into, time that could be spend building the upper trails into works of art (which IMO have a lot more potential just because of the terrain).

But rocking and draining the puddles (or bridging over them) is a good plan :)

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
I agree and count me in for next weekend to help out. My only reservation is I don't want to spend countless hours on a trail that a) will be torn down in the not too distant future (a worry about Flywheel), or b) Doesn't have the potential

In the case of Flyhweel.. I think it makes an awesome finishing trail after a ride on higher trails, and the top part is fun. The bottom has a good flow, smoother and faster which is really nice when you're dead tired from riding higher trails. I agree we need to make it rideable, but I personally am not sure that it's worth pouring a ton of time into, time that could be spend building the upper trails into works of art (which IMO have a lot more potential just because of the terrain).

But rocking and draining the puddles (or bridging over them) is a good plan :)

Amen... I'm very startled at how much serveyign is going on on flywheel. Thing about flywheel is that it's a prime location... prime for:


me riding afterschool quickly
building, because u don't have to hike ur tools to the trailhead (much)
newbs, because it's easy (I was a newb... it was my first real ride)
houses


There's so many ppl to satisfy, so much wear and tear, and so many worries about getting paved over.

[LostBoyScout]

I agree on the location being sweet - and I'm in the same boat as having it as a trail to get a quick ride in (it's a 5 minute climb to the trailhead for me!! And just a pedal up Coast after)

But it's days are certainly numbered :(

[Pioter]

Good point about wasting time, we should just do quick fixes if the trail is gonna be torn down anytime soon.

[billop]

Never!! I suggest we make the ladders stable yet all we have to do is dig up a spike and we can move the ladder! It's a good trail and who cares if we have to move a few ladders. Someone just has to keep an eye out on whats gonna happen there and when the time comes, we move the ladders to Galloways many mud pits.:thepimp:

[billop]

All in favor say "I"

[LostBoyScout]

Removable ladders is a good idea. Just gotta hope we get to them before the city does!

[Pioter]

U or wait, I:D. But whos gonna move all the ladders up??they're probably heavy and big, plus u didnt even wanna get 3 lousy buckets.

[billop]

Well if it comes to it, I'll do it all. I love ladders.:love: :thepimp:

[Pioter]

I guess we could move the ladders by hand if it comes to that. make the nectar conecter better, cuz after it rains a river flows right throught it. I can't stand the fact of how cool the Mule is. Is it 4 wheel drive or 2 wheel drive?

[sdubfid]

i built the nector conector awhile ago, is it still standing?

[Pioter]

Yea, the nectar connecter is still standin. Some place just a broken rung and more places giant water pits:rolleyes:, a tree fell lately but a path has been cut away. we should create a drop on the remaining part:D

[LostBoyScout]

The Mule is 4 wheel drive, but it's wide so it doesn't much care for singletrack :D

If we had two people carrying the ladders, one at each end, it wouldn't be too bad. Best to try to avoid the use of ladders at the lowest areas i spose though, for work's sake!

[billop]

One day we have to put it to the test. I would really like to see it in action.

[Pioter]

not a bad idea, we can see where the nectar connector ends:D

[LostBoyScout]

so who's the fellow with the key again? :D

[Pioter]

Alex or The ATN Machine Knows someone with the keys.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

I don't know what the situation is as far as the areas that housing is planned, but in the interest of not having work torn down, might it be worthwhile to look in to building a trail that go's farther east than flywheel? Like I said, i don't know how far devellopment is planned, but if someone could find out somehow, building farther east might avoid having a trail like flywheel get torn down after alot of work is done.

[Pioter]

Good point, anyone know how to get the info out of the city??

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Alex or The ATN Machine Knows someone with the keys.

They guy wouldn't talk to the guy whose dad has the key :(

New plan: we will go up and sit by the gate at 7:30 am saturday and beg for a key. That's when everyone goes up to their cottages.

[Pioter]

Great plan, I :heart: it. I'll try and be up there :agree::agree::agree:.

[ATN]

I did some digging around and found:

http://www.coquitlam.ca/Business/Developing+Coquitlam/Strategic+Plans/_Northeast+Coquitlam+Area+Plan.htm


The Lower Hyde Creek Village Neighbourhood Plan area is bounded by Hyde Creek on the west, Soball Street on the east, Victoria Drive on the south, and David Avenue on the north.

this goes on both sides of coast, but stops at david avenue, which is below galloway. Soball is the street that Leigh Elem is on, at the intersection of apel and victoria


The boundaries of the Upper Hyde Creek Village Neighbourhood Plan are Hyde Creek on the west, Coast Meridian Road on the east, David Avenue on the south, and to the north, a tributary of Hyde Creek that crosses Coast Meridian Road near the Harper Road intersection.


This is up to harper road, but on the other side of coast.

So, unless flywheel swerves drastically west, we are fine for now. This does not include the building of the new schools (some surveying has been done on Flywheel) or building at the exit.

[LostBoyScout]

ATN, good searching!! That does sound fine. The surveying is worrysome, but then again, surveying only means they're considering it, not planning it :)

[Trail Rider 1.0]

at the same time however, think of all the empty land around flywheel. you gotta think it's going to be developped some time soon:( i you can prove me wrong though, i'd be happy:)

[sdubfid]

[i]

New plan: we will go up and sit by the gate at 7:30 am saturday and beg for a key. That's when everyone goes up to their cottages. [/B]

good luck

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
at the same time however, think of all the empty land around flywheel. you gotta think it's going to be developped some time soon:( i you can prove me wrong though, i'd be happy:)

To develop that high up on the flywheel side of Coast they will have to buy out all the current landowners. Prices for a house and lot up there run about 500,000. Some houses are more of couse!

However, they are still building schools and shit on that side of the mountain.

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine


New plan: we will go up and sit by the gate at 7:30 am saturday and beg for a key. That's when everyone goes up to their cottages.

We could convince them to let us through the gate, but um, then we'd be stuck on the other side of the gate :eek:

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
We could convince them to let us through the gate, but um, then we'd be stuck on the other side of the gate :eek:

We jsut stay up there until sunday night, then some more begging

[Pioter]

or we can create a ramp or teeter over the gate with planks of plywood or somes 2x4's, 2x6's or some other wood. That would be a site:eek::|:damn:

[LostBoyScout]

LOL.. that'd be an ugly sight quickly.. haha.. the mule is 1500lbs :eek:

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
LOL.. that'd be an ugly sight quickly.. haha.. the mule is 1500lbs :eek:

what's it's width?

[billop]

Yowzas.:eek: How much torque? Are you thinking what I'm thinking.:D A couple of ropes and we have ourselves an entrance.
That would help a lot for building and maintenence.:thepimp:

[KamaKazi]

if i am thinking what you are thinking(pulling over the gate?) i also think that that is vandalizing which can get you a big fine or worse.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

yeah, not the brightest idea:nono:

[LostBoyScout]

Yeah, the most illegal I'm willing to go is drive up Harper and pass through the gate with a borrowed key. No more than that!

It's bout a foot narrower than a Mazda pickup, I'd say :D Goes alright

[Trail Rider 1.0]

I'd laugh my ass off seeing that thing driving up coast:lol: good luck on finding a key to get in:)

[LostBoyScout]

hehe, I was out biking once on some wide trails with my bro following in the Mule, and I stopped at the bottom of this rocky hill and turned around to watch him come down.. the thing was barrelling down at full speed just bouncin' like mad, truely terrifying :D

The great thing about where I live, is the only pavement I ride to drive on to get up Burke is Argyle St!

Oh yeah, and top speed of the Mule is 40-45kmh :)

[ATN]

I'd just like to point out that I do not want to pull over the gate.

[billop]

Yeesh. I wasn't suggesting tearing down the gate. That ludacris. I was just thinking we could use it to make a path around the gate that only fits the mule. Cmon, im not that bad of a person:D :thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by Szymon
Yeesh. I wasn't suggesting tearing down the gate. That ludacris. I was just thinking we could use it to make a path around the gate that only fits the mule. Cmon, im not that bad of a person:D :thepimp:

Trust me, I've tried :D :D :D It don't work too well. There's a spot I can almost get around, but then a bunch of big rocks stop it. A trail could be made, most of it's there already.

[billop]

Thats why i asked about the torque! If there's enough we can move the rock right out of the way.:thepimp:

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

don't take this the wrong way. It seems that most of the plans spoken about here are way to complicated to actually happen. First of all, you just need to look at the community plan to figure out that flywheel will be ok for at least three more years before it is in any danger. Secondly it does need a lot of work and yes you may actually have to hike the cedar or the boards in. You could benefit by studying existing trails to see what they do for drainage. Realistically you may have to modify the trail somewhat to avoid low areas. My friends and I have been building extensively off of triple crown and Ryan's and for every hour of stuntbuilding that we complete we do two hours work to the actual trail. If the majority of you are in high school why don't you pool your money together and buy some tools (rakes, shovels, hammers, bow saw, chainsaw?) Please don't jeopardize the fragile relationship that we have with hikers by driving a four wheel vehicle illegally up the mountain. And in closing we would be glad to have help repairing the first section of Triple Crown. We put in 4 hours per weekend building. Thanks

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
don't take this the wrong way. It seems that most of the plans spoken about here are way to complicated to actually happen. First of all, you just need to look at the community plan to figure out that flywheel will be ok for at least three more years before it is in any danger. Secondly it does need a lot of work and yes you may actually have to hike the cedar or the boards in. You could benefit by studying existing trails to see what they do for drainage. Realistically you may have to modify the trail somewhat to avoid low areas. My friends and I have been building extensively off of triple crown and Ryan's and for every hour of stuntbuilding that we complete we do two hours work to the actual trail. If the majority of you are in high school why don't you pool your money together and buy some tools (rakes, shovels, hammers, bow saw, chainsaw?) Please don't jeopardize the fragile relationship that we have with hikers by driving a four wheel vehicle illegally up the mountain. And in closing we would be glad to have help repairing the first section of Triple Crown. We put in 4 hours per weekend building. Thanks

Please do not use this thread (or the other burke threads)anymore. We have consolidated all threads into 1 burke thread, titled burke thread, in the treail news forum.

BTW we rode triple (taking abyss) this weekend and the new stuff is awesome. Love the new bridge over the creek on upper ryans.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Yeah, the most illegal I'm willing to go is drive up Harper and pass through the gate with a borrowed key. No more than that!

It's bout a foot narrower than a Mazda pickup, I'd say :D Goes alright

HOOK ME UP WIT A RIDE UP:D

[billop]

Yeesh. Read what Alex posted right before you. I even sent you a PM. Don't use this-ahh whatever. Do what you want it's a free country.

[Pioter]

Stop bumping this topic up, with info and flaming of using this thread. And i know im posting in this too, but its only because its already at the top. How bout we get a moderator or admin to just lock this thread?