Disappointing....

[corey@nsmb.com]

Last night on our ride (Pangor) we ran into a guy that suprised me, and really disappointed me at the same time. I don't know his name, but I'll describe his bike, so if he reads this he'll get an idea of how his attitude makes other riders perceive him (good intentions or not, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt :) ).

Champagne Bullit. Sombrio Jersey (yellow, grey and white).

We stop after a short little climb to catch our breath and discuss how much fun we are having, and this guy is there breaking up little branches filling in a line between two trees off to the side of the trail, not saying hello, or even casting a smile our way. Fair enough.

Then, as we chat, he turns to us and says something to the effect of (with a scowl on his face) "People need to stay on the original line and stop making new routes. This trail is hard enough to maintain as it is". Looking right at us, then turns and rides away.

The implication (or impression he left us with) was that he felt this trail was a) his property b) being ruined by people like us, because we didn't know him, as indicated by his condescending accusational stance and that c) somehow we were responsible for his having to get off his bike and fill in this two foot wide route b/w two trees.

That kind of approach and attitude just plain sucks. We stood there shaking our heads as the "Lone Ranger" pedalled away, after doing his duty of giving complete stangers shit for something we never did. It was my 2nd time on the trail. EVER.

I hope you are reading this. The impression you left was not reflective of the soul of mountain biking. It did not carry any sign of you actually enjoying your ride, nor did it show you had any interest in sharing a laugh with a small group of guys who share the same love for a good ride (though I now question if you ever do).

There was a day when out for a ride bumping into new people was a chance to say Hi, ask about their unique bikes, and to ask if they need to borrow a tool or water. Now, "Mr.Trail Police" is more concerned about giving strangers shit for things he feels have nothing to do with him. It would be scary if this guy had a badge.

Anyway, YOU should know about the impression you make on other riders. I would be embarrassed for North Shore riders as a whole if you do the same to every group you see. I would feel awful if you do the same to tourists, who come from all over the world to ride the legendary trails of the North Shore.

If you cared that much about "your" trail, you'd take the time to be friendly and make people want to help out. Bullying people and being a grouch only makes people resent you, and not want to spend ANY day working side by side to repair a worn piece of trail.

Ride for fun. Maybe you just had a bad day, but being unfriendly only makes it worse! :)

[Rosscofat]

once again brain hurts gunna go lay down... but from I read... his so so far out of his league lol

[Zedbra]

The Shore is just so sensitive.

Original lines would be logging roads. As the sport grows, so should trails. Might not be easy to please all people - who would be more than happy to level trees to put pavement and houses in.

Hopefully the city boy lightens up.

[Putty]

what trail was this on?

[corey@nsmb.com]

Ooops. Pangor.

This same guy has also been seen riding around in the lower parking lot blowing a whistle asking everyone who did maintenance? Who stopped and piled rocks?

Brutal.

[Putty]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Ooops. Pangor.

This same guy has also been seen riding around in the lower parking lot blowing a whistle asking everyone who did maintenance? Who stopped and piled rocks?

Brutal.

:rolleyes:

[m33p]

Originally posted by Mulletron
[B

There was a day when out for a ride bumping into new people was a chance to say Hi, ask about their unique bikes, and to ask if they need to borrow a tool or water. Now, "Mr.Trail Police" is more concerned about giving strangers shit for things he feels have nothing to do with him. It would be scary if this guy had a badge.

Anyway, YOU should know about the impression you make on other riders. I would be embarrassed for North Shore riders as a whole if you do the same to every group you see. I would feel awful if you do the same to tourists, who come from all over the world to ride the legendary trails of the North Shore.

If you cared that much about "your" trail, you'd take the time to be friendly and make people want to help out. Bullying people and being a grouch only makes people resent you, and not want to spend ANY day working side by side to repair a worn piece of trail.

Ride for fun. Maybe you just had a bad day, but being unfriendly only makes it worse! :) [/B]

News flash, Wake up Mulletman, Times have changed, our trails are in danger and you can see why.

I could see why he is mad, I probley wouldn't have given you that cheap shot of a remark but he has a point, even if you didn't braid the line. A lot of builders are bitter now a days, I can relate dealing with many of the retards that ride the shore trails often. No respect for the builder, more "get out of the way, were trying to ride".

The last statement I can agree with.

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by Mulletron
Ooops. Pangor.

This same guy has also been seen riding around in the lower parking lot blowing a whistle asking everyone who did maintenance? Who stopped and piled rocks?

Brutal.

This guy goes off on people who pile rocks?

He seems to enjoy built trails.

[Putty]

Originally posted by m33p
News flash, Wake up Mulletman, Times have changed, our trails are in danger and you can see why.

I could see why he is mad, I probley wouldn't have given you that cheap shot of a remark but he has a point, even if you didn't braid the line. A lot of builders are bitter now a days, I can relate dealing with many of the retards that ride the shore trails often. No respect for the builder, more "get out of the way, were trying to ride".

The last statement I can agree with.

that's interesting, because i have put in about 250 hours on pangor and have not dealt with one asshole yet.

most, if not all, people thank me and are quite polite and offer to help. so i don't really agree there. at least it has not been my experience.

why are builders bitter? i don't understand. i build because it makes me happy and i like watching people enjoying my trail and my trail getting better.

if i was bitter about building, i would stop building. i also don't think that builders should have a "Holier than thou" attitude because they build. i consider myself lucky to be able to build 5 minutes from my home..legally. i have read enough horror stories from our buddies down south about landowners and such that i fully appreciate what we have here in our backyard.

i think riders and builders (nor referring to anyone in particular) should remember how fortunate we are here.

fact is not ever rider will build and that is probably good, but my rock piles always seem to get bigger.

[Ned]

That dude sounds like he fed up with everyone and I can relate sometimes- that's when you pick up and ride elsewhere to avoid the masses/asses.

Unfortunately it ain't all a big game of bum slapping and patty-cake, shit, try hopping in on a high end road crew and you'll hear/see some pretty interesting words/actions if you fart, sweat or even reach for your brake. Makes even the worst day of trail interaction seem like a breath of clean air.

Point being, don't let it bum you out like it has some of us. I'll be as PC as I can but I'll keep my eye out for Sgt Stadanko whistle boy next time I'm onShore and show him some unforgettable derby.

And m33p, you did look pretty aggro when I quietly slipped past one day when you were working the fingers to the bloody stumps ;).

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by m33p
News flash, Wake up Mulletman, Times have changed, our trails are in danger and you can see why.

I could see why he is mad, I probley wouldn't have given you that cheap shot of a remark but he has a point, even if you didn't braid the line. A lot of builders are bitter now a days, I can relate dealing with many of the retards that ride the shore trails often. No respect for the builder, more "get out of the way, were trying to ride".

The last statement I can agree with.

Easy there John. You are missing my points. I am well aware times have changed, I've been riding bikes since before you went to high school.

Bitter builders are only hurting themselves and their cause. NOBODY wants to help a bitter person. NOBODY is going to be convinced to spend a day in the bush helping out because some guy who brought his social and emotional problems into the forest bullied him into it. It just doesn't work that way.

I understand our trails are facing new levels of traffic and risk. This is a time where new workers should be encouraged to come and help out. I can tell you this right from personal experience, there is no way in hell I will ever be convinced to work with people who carry bad attitude like that. Volunteering should be fun, not an obligation enforced by bitter, disgruntled trail builders who actually feel they hold some authority to blast fellow riders for things they have never done.

Like their are bad apple riders, there are bad apple builders (as we encountered last night). If builders and advocates can't cope with the bad apples, then they are in the wrong line of volunteer work John. If building and maintaining trails make people that bitter and unhappy, such that they feel entitled to verbally accost other riders, I sincerely feel bad for them and suggest they find another hobby before this one takes away their inner peace. If anyone needs to wake up, its people like that because their mental health is at stake.

[corey@nsmb.com]

I guess what I am getting at is that people like this dude can handle things a lot better.

He could have easily said hello and smiled. He could have easily asked how we liked the trail and if we had seen it before. I would have loved to ask him how he was liking his bike and how long he had it for. He could have told us that he helped build the trail, and that (example) every Wednesday they do a bit of work on it, and if we ever wanted to lend a hand we'd be more than welcome.

Being freindly would have had me on here piping about how cool the trail was and how rad one of the builders is (if he is a builder), and how we can help to make the trail last. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

[m33p]

Originally posted by putty
that's interesting, because i have put in about 250 hours on pangor and have not dealt with one asshole yet.

most, if not all, people thank me and are quite polite and offer to help. so i don't really agree there. at least it has not been my experience.

why are builders bitter? i don't understand. i build because it makes me happy and i like watching people enjoying my trail and my trail getting better.

if i was bitter about building, i would stop building. i also don't think that builders should have a "Holier than thou" attitude because they build. i consider myself lucky to be able to build 5 minutes from my home..legally. i have read enough horror stories from our buddies down south about landowners and such that i fully appreciate what we have here in our backyard.

i think riders and builders (nor referring to anyone in particular) should remember how fortunate we are here.

fact is not ever rider will build and that is probably good, but my rock piles always seem to get bigger.

Most of the hardcore Dh freaks and super fast speed demons:rolleyes: like to ride ned's for some reason:( .

I hear ya, I build to see something be put into the future, not to have it be destroyed and unrideable.



I see what mullet's saying attitude wise, I don't doubt the guy was mad at all. Builders vs how many people ride the trail you work on just might make you bitter, and I know people making new lines if one of the most frustrating things.

Maybe the builders are fed up, maybe the riders are assholes, maybe just no one wants to do and work and just have all the fun. You tell me. Maybe everyone needs to calm down?


P.S. Ned, was it a weekend? Then I probley was pretty annoyed at the same group I encounter every weekend, bunch of hardcore dh boys who seem to just wip by or braid the line to avoid me instead of slowing down, even sometimes mumbling "Get out of the way".

[Putty]

I think working on neds is a little more difficult to deal with than pangor for the reasons you describe, and I can see that.

I agree with you that everyone should just chill out. Peole are forgetting that we all share a love for this sport, and squabling and fighting is only going to make things worse for everyone.

As far as I am concerned if i come home with all my limbs I had a good day.



Originally posted by m33p
Most of the hardcore Dh freaks and super fast speed demons:rolleyes: like to ride ned's for some reason:( .

I hear ya, I build to see something be put into the future, not to have it be destroyed and unrideable.



I see what mullet's saying attitude wise, I don't doubt the guy was mad at all. Builders vs how many people ride the trail you work on just might make you bitter, and I know people making new lines if one of the most frustrating things.

Maybe the builders are fed up, maybe the riders are assholes, maybe just no one wants to do and work and just have all the fun. You tell me. Maybe everyone needs to calm down?


P.S. Ned, was it a weekend? Then I probley was pretty annoyed at the same group I encounter every weekend, bunch of hardcore dh boys who seem to just wip by or braid the line to avoid me instead of slowing down, even sometimes mumbling "Get out of the way".

[Ned]

Rage comes in cycles. Some of us screwed in the first light bulbs up there, flicked on the switch and eventually the moths came. I could name some trail stalkers and a couple other industry coat-tailers who blew the lid off the Fault Line :(. Regardless, now that you guys have come in and changed the light bulb with something even brighter, there's many more moths, some of whom are both very annoying and totally clueless. And unfortunately, for some of us, our memories are very good for all things good and perhaps not. I'm still trying to ditch the'not' portion from my cranial file cabinet.

M33P-> It was mountain #1 on a late November Triple Crown ride last year where it's a 99% business activity. I said something low key about banging rungs, smiled and was on my way to keep skedjule. And, I tend not to get mixed up with anyone on those sort of rides and very rarely will get into the history thing (or name exchange for that matter). I've had experiences where I was bleeding severely and close to passing out and someone was 'so in my face' in the Sgt Stadako sense that they're risking having their teeth jammed up their @$$ by my ride brothers. If you saw me on the trail you wouldn't know it was me... just the way I like it... invisible :D

[LeeLau]

Ha! Builders have always been bitchy. Usually pretty happy but there's always a bitchy day.

You ever catch Jody on a bad day when he was hammering rungs on Upper Brew? Or Todd after some lamo cut switchbacks on Big I? Or Danger after dwv chainsawed Reaper and I called him a "renegade"? or myself after I just put a nail through my pinkie on Pipeline?

There were just less people around to catch us on days when we didn't get our morning coffee.

The good old days. Back in those days ......

[trout]

Maybe buddy was having a bad day, it doesn't mean you have to too. He's concerned about riders widening the trail and you weren't so there really is no conflict right? Let it go. As far as the good ole' days, I'm still having them!

[corey@nsmb.com]

I see what you are saying Lee. We all have shat days.

I think people are more inclined to cut a corner, zip by or be unfriendly towards a builder that is unfriendly and grouchy. Nobody wants to stop and talk to a dark cloud!

I know that my "ideal" here is far fetched, but I think the theory around it has a lot of merrit. People like nice, friendly people, and it is human nature to avoid mean people.

Friendly people capture the attention of others. They can make tough work look like fun, and they can motivate almost anyone.

:)

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by trout
Maybe buddy was having a bad day, it doesn't mean you have to too. He's concerned about riders widening the trail and you weren't so there really is no conflict right? Let it go. As far as the good ole' days, I'm still having them!

Originally posted by MulletronRide for fun. Maybe you just had a bad day, but being unfriendly only makes it worse!

I know he may have been (as indicated in my original post). It certainly didn't ruin my day, I just felt that it was an example of a poor attitude that may be beginning to fuel an "us (trail builders) vs. "them" (trail riders) conflict that nobody wants to see!



Good times!:)

[Smoke]

I think I see the real danger here. See, if you let people ride their bikes in the forest, a lot of bad things happen. By breathing hard, we use up all the oxygen in the air. We also deplete our iron stores in our blood, causing serious cravings for red meat. Then everyone gets Mad Cow Disease and costs all the hard working government emloyees their pensions so that we can get that traditional first rate medical care.

Of course, the logging and tourism industries are toasted too, so our tax base is long gone. Once we deforest the mountains, the heavy rains caused buy global warming (double whammy. We cut down all the trees to make bridges and our farts contribute methane) wash the mountains into the sea turning us into another poor Prairie Province.

We should just turn the North Shore into one big golf course/condo development. That would be much better.

[fFire]

Sounds like the guy needs to hear the riders around him to appreciate his efforts. It should be etiquette that riders riding should take 2 secs and go up n say Hi and keep up the good work if they see workers working.

[switch]

Originally posted by Mulletron
The implication (or impression he left us with) was that he felt this trail was a) his property b) being ruined by people like us, because we didn't know him, as indicated by his condescending accusational stance and that c) somehow we were responsible for his having to get off his bike and fill in this two foot wide route b/w two trees.

That kind of approach and attitude just plain sucks. We stood there shaking our heads as the "Lone Ranger" pedalled away, after doing his duty of giving complete stangers shit for something we never did. It was my 2nd time on the trail. EVER.


:crybaby:

Sorry, but after reading that I'd have to say: here's your straw

[m33p]

Originally posted by switch
:crybaby:

Sorry, but after reading that I'd have to say: here's your straw



BAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAH AHHA:lol::lol:lol::lol::lol:

[mike]

maybe he just quit smoking :lol:

[ouch!!]

Originally posted by putty
that's interesting, because i have put in about 250 hours on pangor and have not dealt with one asshole yet.

most, if not all, people thank me and are quite polite and offer to help. so i don't really agree there. at least it has not been my experience.

why are builders bitter? i don't understand. i build because it makes me happy and i like watching people enjoying my trail and my trail getting better.

if i was bitter about building, i would stop building. i also don't think that builders should have a "Holier than thou" attitude because they build. i consider myself lucky to be able to build 5 minutes from my home..legally. i have read enough horror stories from our buddies down south about landowners and such that i fully appreciate what we have here in our backyard.

i think riders and builders (nor referring to anyone in particular) should remember how fortunate we are here.

fact is not ever rider will build and that is probably good, but my rock piles always seem to get bigger.


are you the guy that was with that girl building , and we came buy as we were filming? And we were telling you what good work you've been doing? There was three of us.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by switch
:crybaby:

Sorry, but after reading that I'd have to say: here's your straw


Who needs the straw?? Me and my group who saw a guy be a complete ass and were concerned about how this kind of attitude could affect the mtb scene here and people's desire to help out?

Or the guy who lacks the ability to "suck it up" in regards to his lack of ability to control his emotions and heartfelt attachment to a dirt trail.

I'd go with option two Switch. Suck it up, you don't need to treat fellow mtb riders like shit because you had a bad day or because you are too bitter to share the fun in riding. (and I mean "you" in terms of the guy we met up with, not YOU)

I thought you would see things a bit different. When we ran into you and John on Neds way back, you two guys were fricken role models of happy, friendly trail builders whose passion for their efforts beamed from you smiles and hello's. Seeing you guys stop and watch, and take the time to chat and acknowledge our praise of the beautiful work you had done was as motivating to help out as I have ever seen. Surely as a builder (both you and John) you understand that if you want to get more help that having guys who maintain trails acting like power tripping mall security being hosers to good people, that any involvement will be discouraged. Like I said before, nobody wants to help a jerk, no matter how much they love to ride trails. The thought of spending a day working anywhere near people with attitude like that makes me ill.

The dude in question (who as i said, may just have had a bad day) should spend some time with you guys, to see how it is possible to be both enthusiastic and friendly.


:) Cheers.

[m33p]

That man you ran into, happens to be one of the foremost workers on Seymour believe it or not.

I can't speak for him but I understand his anger and haste towards your group(not saying you did anything). Having YOUR trail been fucked to shit is like being slapped in the face by other riders.

Attitude or no attitude I have respect for that man and Every single thing he has done on Seymour, Solid work all around. Attitude is one thing, backing it up with solid work is another.

Involvement or not... There is still way to few builders on the shore. What can we say, I know the particular guy that laid it on you has been working for years and will to come. Dedication.

[bullit_kid]

with the amount of work "so and so" puts into seymour i think he has a right to be angry with people screwing around and going 2 feet off the trail to not get wet

cory, let me ask u a question
did u or any of your riding buddies stop at all to collect rocks?
at any of the place rocks here signs .. is not picking rocks up going to help the mtb scence

face it, the shore is so far behind in maintenance

we need people to help
full time trail crews would be awesome

but in reality that wont happen
so we need those riders who are concerned about the mtb scene to do the right thing

not complain on an internet forum about "so and so" having a bad day

if u knew who it was u would be a little stunned btw

[Putty]

Originally posted by ouch!!
are you the guy that was with that girl building , and we came buy as we were filming? And we were telling you what good work you've been doing? There was three of us.

Yeah, that was us. We were nice, you were nice. There wasn't a problem.
<rant>
Let's all get along people, we got the shit out there...let's not ruin it with squables over who builds and who doesn't, who piles rocks and who just rides.

Trails are getting maintained, people are having some kick ass rides, and its a good scene.

I've seen more excellent work on trails in the last year than ever, both on and off trail days. So not everyone is doing it but do we really want EVERY rider out there building, I for one don't.

So some people braid new lines for whatever reasons. Its not an easy place to ride, lets remember that, if someone cuts a little wide for comfort or what have you, than let them. It' not the end of the world.

Respect the people around the trail ends, be nice to other riders, revel in the scene, and if you want to bitch, go join a knitting circle. Trails aren't about that!

That goes for everybody. Now go ride.
</rant>

Thank you.

[switch]

Originally posted by Mulletron
The dude in question (who as i said, may just have had a bad day) should spend some time with you guys, to see how it is possible to be both enthusiastic and friendly.
:) Cheers.

You're a good guy Corey. I was being a little cheeky, and I really shouldn't have been (or couldn't resist:p ). Anyway, for that, I apologize.

I'm pretty sure I know who the person is, and if it is who I think it is, I know him well. I'll talk to him. I'm sure he meant no disrespect to you and your group. The amount of crap he's had to deal with in regards to the trails has been more than most anyone would put up with, and he was probably just venting.

The situation with regards to the treatment of trails and trail builders is actually worse than most people recognize.

[synchro]

Hey Mulletron, I have to kinda agree with you on this. The easiest way to put this is the phrase...... It is easier to catch bees with a jar of honey than a glass of vinnegar. That's all he's trying to say guys. If we want to get more people involved in the trails, a friendly upbeat attitude will work better.

I also know who we are talking about here. The man has put in a huge amount of work into the greatest backyard playground in the world. I can understand why he feels the way he does. In the last 2-3 yrs, the level of trail degradation has been pretty high. I've only been riding one year and can notice a difference in the conditions on all the local mountains.

That being said, I have also been privy to one of these rants. It happened just past the gate on Fromme as everybody was getting ready to ride up. Although he was talking to the other members in my group (he knew I was building/maintaining) I still felt some of the heat. My friends all kinda just shook their heads and I stepped in to explain that some of the builders feel this way because of the amount of people they see riding the trails nad never working on them. It still left the group with a bitter taste in its mouth though.

Sometimes we need to bite our tounges Being pleasant to people (even when they do not deserve it) will produce a better outcome than lashing out.

PS Bro, we all appreciate the work you do. Many of us owe our enthusiasm for the sport we love to the work that you and people like Chris, Todd, Dan, John and others have put into the trails. I have only been building for a short time but I feel your pain. I hope in 5, 10, even 20 or 30 years from now that I have not been discouraged and chased away from the mountain by the inconsiderate riders out there and am still building and playing in the sport I love.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
cory, let me ask u a question
did u or any of your riding buddies stop at all to collect rocks?
at any of the place rocks here signs .. is not picking rocks up going to help the mtb scence

we need people to help
full time trail crews would be awesome

not complain on an internet forum about "so and so" having a bad day

if u knew who it was u would be a little stunned btw

Ross, our stopping to pile rocks is irrelevant. He would not have known if we had, and had he perhaps been a little more human towards us we may have volunteered that information.

If you want 'full time trail crews' and people to help, you would be much better off having friendly advocates and workers, not grumpy unfriendly ones making uninformed assumptions about people.

As per my complaining on an internet forum...Ross, you completely missed the point of my posting, and have used it as a chance to make me out to be the bad guy. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt too, and assume you were having a bad day and could not be bothered to read everything thoroughly and grasp an understanding of the main point I am trying to make. Check out Synchro's post...he has hit the nail on the head.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by synchro
Hey Mulletron, I have to kinda agree with you on this. The easiest way to put this is the phrase...... It is easier to catch bees with a jar of honey than a glass of vinnegar. That's all he's trying to say guys. If we want to get more people involved in the trails, a friendly upbeat attitude will work better.

I also know who we are talking about here. The man has put in a huge amount of work into the greatest backyard playground in the world. I can understand why he feels the way he does. In the last 2-3 yrs, the level of trail degradation has been pretty high. I've only been riding one year and can notice a difference in the conditions on all the local mountains.

That being said, I have also been privy to one of these rants. It happened just past the gate on Fromme as everybody was getting ready to ride up. Although he was talking to the other members in my group (he knew I was building/maintaining) I still felt some of the heat. My friends all kinda just shook their heads and I stepped in to explain that some of the builders feel this way because of the amount of people they see riding the trails nad never working on them. It still left the group with a bitter taste in its mouth though.

Sometimes we need to bite our tounges Being pleasant to people (even when they do not deserve it) will produce a better outcome than lashing out.

PS Bro, we all appreciate the work you do. Many of us owe our enthusiasm for the sport we love to the work that you and people like Chris, Todd, Dan, John and others have put into the trails. I have only been building for a short time but I feel your pain. I hope in 5, 10, even 20 or 30 years from now that I have not been discouraged and chased away from the mountain by the inconsiderate riders out there and am still building and playing in the sport I love.


BINGO. That is exactly my point. I am using the example of this one incident to shed some light on a potential problem.

It goes without saying that I am infinitely grateful for the amount of time and dedication these people put into trails. I'd love to take the time to express that (as I did when I saw Switch and John on Neds, and I really enjoyed yappig with them and praising them for their hard work, and it was even more enjoyable for me to see their faces smile and light up after being congtratulated for so much work...). However, it is pretty damn hard to want to shake somebody's hand or just say "thanks" when the attitude towards you is that YOU are the asshole wrecking the trails.

I remember being younger and of course, when you are young society tends to point the finger your way more because you are a teenager and of course responsible for all wrong doing. I am 25, and was riding with two guys in their early 30's. We don't need to be taught any lessons.

Anyway, props to all who have contributed in this thread. There are some great replies reflecting some good insight and critical thinking. That was what I wanted out of this thread...riders and builders to see it and put some thought into it. Working together to understand all corners of the arena and make things better.

You guys all rock!

[LeeLau]

That might have me and my wife. We were filling in holes about two weeks ago? Originally posted by ouch!!
are you the guy that was with that girl building , and we came buy as we were filming? And we were telling you what good work you've been doing? There was three of us.

[LeeLau]

Mulletman.

I spoke to the guy - he doesn't get on the comp much - and he confirmed it was him. He asked me to apologize on his behalf - he was having a tough day and was just generally bitching - but not at you guys.Originally posted by Mulletron




The dude in question (who as i said, may just have had a bad day) should spend some time with you guys, to see how it is possible to be both enthusiastic and friendly.


:) Cheers.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Lee, that is great that you checked it out. I cast much respect his way for stepping up and acknowledging his mistake.

Bad days are bad days and of course he is forgiven, and appreciated for all his work.

Cheers.

[Putty]

Originally posted by LeeLau
That might have me and my wife. We were filling in holes about two weeks ago?

No,I think it was my GF and I. I remember you guys filming going of the end CaLOGula.

I also know who we are talking about, and I have to say the person is a totally stand up guy that works hard and loves doing what he does.

Glad to hear we got this straightened out. Everyone can have a bad day, and it is hard to fake a smile when you feel like shit.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by putty
No,I think it was my GF and I. I remember you guys filming going of the end CaLOGula.


Ah - sorry to take credit. I rode Pangor mid-afternoon and it was mint; woodwork up top is yours right? Mid-section PD and bottom is Dave?

Maybe get a branding iron to mark your sections. haha

[Putty]

Originally posted by LeeLau
Ah - sorry to take credit. I rode Pangor mid-afternoon and it was mint; woodwork up top is yours right? Mid-section PD and bottom is Dave?

Maybe get a branding iron to mark your sections. haha

Correct. We rode it last night. It was awesome. Few more spots and the trail will flow beutifully. I am excited.