is there a cure for sheer stupidity...??

[island rules]

cause right about now i wish the sooke cops would take a lifetiem supply fo that shit.

alright here's the story- dug up some dirtjumps in the sooke park and they las t for a coupel days- the seapark head director drives byt- sees them and imediatly phones the cops. not even giving us a chance to explain or even talk. cops show up IMEDIATLY (rather rare round here) and statr runig of their big mouths abotu charging us with vandalism, mischief and destrcution of property. they get sumwhat mouthy abotu this and one of our older friends steps in and tries to talk sum sence into the cops but all the lil wise crack of a piggie had to say was bring ur dad down here- then we'll talk. if my dad wasnt out of the country right now i swear the piggies would have alot of explaining to do.

so now we heard the stroy (they made us tear down the jumps) lets here sum wayts of action

my lil contribution will b seen within the next few weeks- maybe even on the news ahah:rolleyes:

[Diligent_Nose]

While I don't think that the cops/park manager are right, I do understand why they made you take down your jumps. I assume that the jumps where on government land, and where in a park that children of all ages visit. How hard would it be for a child to hit a jump, and hurt them. Becuase it is on public land, the town is liable for the injury, and can be suid by the child's parent.

[island rules]

ur talkin abotu thta sure- but dont u get the sheer hipocricy behind thta- theres a concrete sk8parlk maybe 5 feet from the jumps and i see so m,ay sk8r fall on that and so many lil kids get run over by sk8rs its nto even funny anymore- the sk8park is way more oif a liabilty then a buncha piles of dirt. suposildy the land is on a 1 dollar a yera lease to seapark from a middle school if thta helps

[KenN]

So, let me get this right.

- You dug dirt jumps in a public park without permission.

- You were caught, and required to remove the jumps.

- You have limited communications skills, and can't string three correctly spelled words together.

- You have no respect for the authority of the landowner.

I'm supposed to feel bad for you?

Kn.

[Diligent_Nose]

Originally posted by island rules
ur talkin abotu thta sure- but dont u get the sheer hipocricy behind thta- theres a concrete sk8parlk maybe 5 feet from the jumps and i see so m,ay sk8r fall on that and so many lil kids get run over by sk8rs its nto even funny anymore- the sk8park is way more oif a liabilty then a buncha piles of dirt. suposildy the land is on a 1 dollar a yera lease to seapark from a middle school if thta helps

Maby you don't under stand how it works.

They have insurace for the skate park, but not your dirt jumps.

[island rules]

haha funny wise crack. public park- yeah but suposidly its for the kids right so kids do as kids do
b) yes and we did but i still dont see why there have to b charges and cops invoilved
c) i choose not too
d)i have no respect for stupidity

no ur not- im jsut trying to vent on sumthin that is beyond stupidf

[island rules]

i do understand the insurance polocies- ive had countless talks with other land owners and schoosl over the same issue of liabilty. but the insurance covers the land- cause else it could nto operate- because what would happen if sumone were to get up from a bench and slip- hit their head and die.. sure the peopel who own the land rnt ultimatly responsible- biut with ur countrys fucked up legal system u could probably sue for wrongfull death and other bullshit. i mean comon if a robber that gets bitten by the hosueowners dog is alowed to get 12 million dollars for damages what makes u think sum other bullshti liek that couldnt b pulled.. the insurance covers the whole land- not just the sk8park or so ive been lead to believe

[Diligent_Nose]

There is special insurance for the Skate park.

I'm a lifeguard, all of our pools have insurance, However at the pool with the diving tank, your not alowed to go off the 10M board b/c we don't have insurance for that board. There is insurance for the land, but the skate park has differant insurance than the rest of the land.

[island rules]

there is a jump at our sk8park for mtb and bmx that actually leaves the sk8park and lands on the exact smae grass we built our jumps on(well we built it into a rythem section lol) befroe we built the jumps i never heard anything bad from the director of the park abotu doing that (he is there liek 1 or 2 a month maybe) technicly would that not b putting the park at the smae risk even without having the jumps there? we have a sk8t jam anualy ther5e to and many peopel in the bmx catagory use that jump as their big trick jump.. never heard any complang abotu insurance then? why now.. why argue botu a couple piles of dirt.

[KenN]

Originally posted by island rules
haha funny wise crack. public park- yeah but suposidly its for the kids right so kids do as kids do
b) yes and we did but i still dont see why there have to b charges and cops invoilved
c) i choose not too
d)i have no respect for stupidity

no ur not- im jsut trying to vent on sumthin that is beyond stupidf

a) Just because the park is built for kids doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. If that were true, then some other kid could take down your dirt jumps and build a bowling green cause that's what he wants at the time. Is that okay by you?

b) I'm betting you're not telling the full story. If you were asked to remove the jumps and cooperated I doubt there'd be any charges. Sounds like you guys got into a yelling match. That's not the way to gain the respect of an authority figure.

c) If you 'choose' not to use decent spelling and grammar in your communications, you'll never be taken seriously. You'll always be dismissed as an illiterate kid who isn't worth anyone's time.

d) I'm assuming, at this point, that anyone who disagrees with your point of view is 'stupid'. Six billion people in the world and all the ones who don't agree with you are stupid. Nice world view.

You sound like a spoiled brat who needs to grow up.

Kn.

[island rules]

a) i wouldnt mind because theres plenty of lawn to go around. and ultimatly its nto my property so no mater what i say- no one has to listen to it so if u dotn lie my opinion or disagree with what i said so b it
b) i ve yet to find out abotut he charges- im gonan ask my dad to go talk to the officers and see what goin on
c)that may b- i find people who r caught up in being proper r missing the big picture to life. spelling and grammer has nto been proven to b a messure of inteligence
d)no, it b impsoible for 6 billon peopel to all disagre and to me there r jsut 4 stupid things in this world right now- the u.s. government, sooke rcmp, alchol, ignorant and hypocritical landowners

think of me as who u want to - but in the end it doesnt matter to either one of us what the other one thinks

[fergs]

Island chill out man! You're in a tough situation here because:

1. Everything KenN said
2. The cops are only enforcing the rules. Don't shoot the messenger. It's a lot easier to criticize the police than to thank them for all of the shit that doesn't go down because of their presence.
3. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the cops know who you are. Given your track record, do you think this is an unreasonable assumption? Basically you have 0 credibility and that's not ever going to help your situation.

Now this is going to sound really really harsh and I appologize now for having to say it but I think it must be said. You made a point that you have no respect for stupidity. We've all watched your antics over the past year and I'm wondering how you can possibly respect yourself. Ouch. Harsh. Sorry. Now prove me wrong. Go through the right channels and do this the right way and see if you can't get those jumps to become a permanent fixture.

[gimped]

Ken, great burn.

Island rules... man there's no excuse for teenage stupidity, so grow up and take responsibility.

[island rules]

and spoiled- im probably as far from spoiled as u can get - ive had to work for everything btu the food and the shelter and mayeb the odd pair of shoes.

i have had to do this since i was 8- working at 4 buxs an hour and gradualy moving up.... ive had to leanr a new language- move to a new country - leave behind everythign i had known to that point at the age of 10- cam here and agaion had to work for everything that wasnt an absolute neccesety. never hear me bitch that lifes to tough though. cause u know what in the end ive already learned more abotu life then peopel my age. true smarts comes from reall life not from ur school sytem or other lil governmwent experiments. but then againt hats jsut the opinion of a "spoiled brat"

[gimped]

Originally posted by island rules
and spoiled- im probably as far from spoiled as u can get - ive had to work for everything btu the food and the shelter and mayeb the odd pair of shoes.

i have had to do this since i was 8- working at 4 buxs an hour and gradualy moving up.... ive had to leanr a new language- move to a new country - leave behind everythign i had known to that point at the age of 10- cam here and agaion had to work for everything that wasnt an absolute neccesety. never hear me bitch that lifes to tough though. cause u know what in the end ive already learned more abotu life then peopel my age. true smarts comes from reall life not from ur school sytem or other lil governmwent experiments. but then againt hats jsut the opinion of a "spoiled brat"

Huh?

Please learn how to spell.

[island rules]

fergs- thats a question ive been pondering for a long time- for longer then i have been on this board - remeber u do not know who i am in life and u know only the tad bit about me thta i choose to post here. i have respect for myself because i am a hard worker- an opertunist an enterpentur. sumone that still has alot of learnign lef tto do- well eveyrone does. i have respect for myslef because of who i am of this board- not how i portray myslef on this board

[Norman]

In some cases there aren't.

[island rules]

Originally posted by gimped
Ken, great burn.

Island rules... man there's no excuse for teenage stupidity, so grow up and take responsibility.

theres no excuse- im nto trying to make an excuse im trying to find a fuckin solution. i didn't ask for opinions if the land owner was right or wrog in what he did. i want to find a solution to my little problem. i alreayd ahd 3 palns of action in another thread that was deleted a lil whiel ago

[corey@nsmb.com]

beating up on Island RUles isn't doing anything here.

Gimped, give the kid a break, you were a teenager once too and there is no need to put him down for taking a position on something, no matter how much you disagree with his point.

It is obvious he is frustrated that he can't build jumps where a skatepark already exists. I see his point, it can be frustrating when you can't have something you would love to have, and even more when you don't fully understands the reasons behind it being impossible.

To help out, try to explain to young Mr. Island why he can't expect it to fly, and why the law intervened.

Slagging him for spelling poorly and having trouble getting his feelings into words is more immature than anything else I see in this thread.

Keep it friendly!! :)

[island rules]

im outta here- l8r nsmb its been good- mad respect to corey, blaine, fergs, cam, clay, switch, norman and lady gravity(sorry ur names has sliped my memory). i give up. i try to come on here to try to find a way to have a solution to my little problem and all i get otuta u is hwo im wrong to have bnuiolt there when i wasnt even askin abotut hat and how my spelling liks goat balls and other lil smeers here and there. what is done is doen and i wasnt here to argue abotu that or rip anyone for that. i was here to find a fuckin solution and all some of u can seem to fokus on is beside the point- im sorry i have to say this- but ive lost faith- nsmb isnt what it was before and sumhwo ti has changed. i dont know how long ill b gone for but for nbow im gonna say goodbye forever- maybe sum day u'll here form me again btu for now l8r

[Lady Gravity]

awww shit rainer don't leave...just ignore gimped and ken :rolleyes:

[island rules]

no im goin- i wasnt here to pick a fight with anone and all i get is personal attacks on my actions. im not sayiong im right on any of this im sjtu saying ive had enbought and im thankfull for whant everyoen ahs tought me here and its been great- buts its my tiem tio say l8r nsmb.

[parksvilleguy]

Originally posted by Diligent_Nose
While I don't think that the cops/park manager are right, I do understand why they made you take down your jumps. I assume that the jumps where on government land, and where in a park that children of all ages visit. How hard would it be for a child to hit a jump, and hurt them. Becuase it is on public land, the town is liable for the injury, and can be suid by the child's parent.



did you not just say all ages........so there of a certain why cant they have something to play on, obviously that little baby is gonna hurt themselves if they climb around on the playground without supervision, or say that 10 year jumps in the river or creek that runs through the little park and hurts himself, brakes a leg or something in the process

so then what tear everything down:rolleyes:

[pilgrim]

hahah rainer, you wernt even invloved in it :P I dont think u dug a shovel of dirt :???: . I aint to pissed at the cops, we never had permission to dig the jumps, we all thoguht they were gonna get plowed to begin with. But its the fact that they are gonna make us pay for the workers to work on the grass that pisses me off. When we all voluntered to fix it up for them. But what can you do, besides that isnt even final yet, who knos they might be nice to us and let us go :rolleyes:

[KenN]

Originally posted by island rules
no im goin- i wasnt here to pick a fight with anone and all i get is personal attacks on my actions. im not sayiong im right on any of this im sjtu saying ive had enbought and im thankfull for whant everyoen ahs tought me here and its been great- buts its my tiem tio say l8r nsmb.

My, my what a poor delicate flower. Is that your solution? When someone suggests that your approach is wrong, you pack up your toys and leave? And what personal attacks? I don't see any personal attacks - read carefully.

If you read what I've said, then you will find a complete plan of action on how to have your dirt jumps built legally, so they don't have to be torn down again. If you're too blinded by your misplaced youthful anger to see the point, then I suppose you could misinterpret some statements of fact as personal attacks.

I bet you'll be back, won't you?

Kn.

[pilgrim]

woah i just read the rest of the post :(
You guys made rainer leave :mad: He was the only thing keepin this board intresting besides those WTA boys :P

[fergs]

Good luck Island Mon! I hope you can get those jumps back. :thepimp:

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by pilgrim
woah i just read the rest of the post :(
You guys made rainer leave :mad: He was the only thing keepin this board intresting besides those WTA boys :P

Thnx brutha,

I once had a cop come up to me, make me destroy my dirt jump and reutrn the park to the way it originally looked. Then the cop says , "I think we might charge you for vadalism and give you a bill for the city having to come and fix this mess you made."

Excuse me? you just made me tear my jump down and fix the mess I made :???:

Gimped, Ken give it a rest you big bullies.:o

[KenN]

Bully? Get real. Here's the way I see it:

When guys like you go out and build your illegal jumps and trails or whatever, you get caught and it gets torn down. The landownders see what you do and associate that activity with ALL bikers. They assume that anyone who rides a bike is out there building illegal stuff. So, the policies that are put in place reflect the actions of a few rogue builders.

What I see is MY choices being limited because of the perceived image of bikers which is created by YOUR selfish, irresponsible actions. I put a lot of time into bike advocacy trying to level out that image and you're the kind who make more work for me.

DON'T build illegal shit and maybe we can get more of the fun stuff that's legal and you won't have to sneak shovels into the park at midnight to build it.

Who's the bully? Me, or the selfish people making more work for me?

Kn.

[synchro]

i want to find a solution [/B]

You want to find a solution? How about doing things the legitimate way from the start.

[i]Originally posted by pilgrim
we never had permission to dig the jumps, we all thoguht they were gonna get plowed to begin with. But its the fact that they are gonna make us pay for the workers to work on the grass that pisses me off.

Like pilgrim says, if you knew they we going to get torn down anyway, why build in the first place. And you're surprised they want to make you pay for the damage?

What if someone you knew took your bike for a ride without asking and damaged it. Would you not be pissed off? Would you not make them pay to fix the damage and not just patch it back together themselves?

Wake the fuck up and start asking yourself how other people would feel about your actions before blindly going ahead with them. If you close your eyes and jump off a diving board into a pool with only a couple inches of water in the bottom you can't complain when you get hurt. Instead of only thinking about your opinion consider the opinions of other people too.

[Chadillac]

Originally posted by KenN
So, let me get this right.

- You dug dirt jumps in a public park without permission.

- You were caught, and required to remove the jumps.

- You have limited communications skills, and can't string three correctly spelled words together.

- You have no respect for the authority of the landowner.

I'm supposed to feel bad for you?

Kn.

I second that. Use your head, don't dig up public park land in the first place.

[gimped]

Originally posted by island rules
no im goin- i wasnt here to pick a fight with anone and all i get is personal attacks on my actions. im not sayiong im right on any of this im sjtu saying ive had enbought and im thankfull for whant everyoen ahs tought me here and its been great- buts its my tiem tio say l8r nsmb.

HUH?