Indonesian bike buying scam

[cam@nsmb.com]

Cam, my name is Geoff P.

I would like to make you and your site's users aware of a bike buying scam. A friend of mine lost his bike to it and they've tried to get mine. They contact you by email announcing that they are from Indonesia and are interested in your bike. They ask if they can pay with a credit card. This card is stolen. The transaction will go through and you will send your bike around the world. A week or two later the credit card company will call and explain to you that you were conned. Please post a warning on your site. Thanks, Geoff

[bullit_kid]

cam

a few weeks ago someone was wondering about shipping there bike to indonseia

i dont remember the thread tho

[bullit_kid]

here cam!

http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13247&highlight=indonesia

[parksvilleguy]

hopefully that guy didnt end up shipping his bike off for his own good.

that sounds like a good scam on their end but not on ours

[scott@nsmb.com]

The same scam has been running on E-Bay with bikes and frames. If your bike is listed there you will probably get an email from a Indonesian Buyer. STAY CLEAR. The M.O. is exactly the same, credit card fraud.

[Loopie]

I wouldn't care if the guy was next door to me......I wouldn't be takin' no stinkin' credit card:)
Too much chance for it being turned down/cancelled/whatever later.
Cash:thepimp:

[Flow]

Cove_kid on this BB got his Cove G Spot with Boxxers ripped off by that guy in Indonesia :(

[Reggaeman]

Hopefully, a car or large vehicle will strike them down as they cross the street for scamming people. :)

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by Flow
Cove_kid on this BB got his Cove G Spot with Boxxers ripped off by that guy in Indonesia :(

matt must feel bad :(

[ronald55555]

what a horrible thing to do.

i personally only do everything by cash and no shipping even if it's in BC. i have to meet the guy face to face to sell anything.

[feelmybrainwaves]

Somebody in Africa tried to pull the same scam off on my roommate. Who'd be dumb enough to send anything worth cash overseas with out the cash in hand?

[NooNer]

i wont do any deals without actually meeting the person. if they are buying something and they have money im happy. if i am buying something and they seem scuzzy i walk off. ill never ship for fear of being ripped off

[Smoke]

If you are selling to anyone without seeing them, make sure you get a secure method of payment. These guys tried the same scam with the Cove a month or two ago. We asked them to do a wire transfer at their local bank and never heard from them again. Wire transfers are a little complicated, but money orders are dead simple. If you are considering a deal with them, get them to send you a registered money order. That way both parties are covered.

[free ryder]

there is a reason for cash and this is it

[ScreamRider]

Those bastards tried to get me but luckily advice from the BB saved me before I got taken.

[UFO]

Originally posted by free ryder
there is a reason for cash and this is it

:rolleyes:

the next time i decide to buy a $3000 bike, i'll make sure i go to the bank and pull out 30 $100's, or 150 $20's. and pray to dear God that i don't get mugged the second i walk out the bank

money order/wire transfer is nice and safe for international transactions. for credit card, doesnt paypal have fraud protection insurance?

[drezy]

I sold my forks to a guy in Regina and I used a return cheque from Loomis. The forks were shipped but the delivery couldn't be made until the guy on the other end handed over a money order or a certified cheque made out to me. Then the cheque was couriered to me. The cheque was here a day later and the dude had his forks. Super easy and safe.

[Phaedrus]

What's your take on international money orders? Are they safe???

[freeeeeerider]

that sucks tho if everyone wants to meet the person.... then i would never be able to buy anything off anyone:(
i can see why you would want to meet the person tho

[Coquitlam_Launch]

Cash=yes yes,

Credit cards=mostly NO,NO

Shipping more than 600km, definately no,no

shippings are the pain in the arse, i like local deals only.

i hope something good happens to the ripped off guy.

+L-

[ATN]

I have only bought one part used, and sold another part used.

Both were face to face cash.

If you can, mail the stuff to a friend that lives near the seller. The loomis COD sounds good too. I wold not ship outside of canada.

[sir HUCK-A-LOT]

i do canada post COD thing.....cause that way they are responsible if their cheque bounces

[Tony G]

this guy could prob be caught...just some simple hacking and a phone call to the police...

but we r all too lazy to do that :zzz:

[inshane]

Send your bike to Indonesia ????
Thats just to far...
Im to lazy to even send my stuff out of BC...

[WIND]

Just sold my bike on ebay, i did get an email from indonesia about buying it, say no, it sold for $1600 US which was way more than I thought it would. About shipping just say buyer pays shipping COD only then send it COD and have UPS only accept secure forms of payment. If the guy doesn't pay them with a certified check, cashiers check or money order you get your bike right back.

[Coquitlam_Launch]

THANX NSMB!!

i just got a mail when i wanted to sell my launch frame:

from:arie sarah" <arie_sarah@hotmail.com>

"Hi,
I interested about your ads. Can you ship to Indonesia and accept credit card for the payment?
Thanks "

some grammar, and nice methods to trick someone.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


are these thing reportable? like i get their actual address and get em arrested?

cheers

+L-

[RyanH]

I wonder where they get our emails... :rolleyes:

[scottvelez]

Originally posted by Loopie
I wouldn't care if the guy was next door to me......I wouldn't be takin' no stinkin' credit card:)
Too much chance for it being turned down/cancelled/whatever later.
Cash:thepimp:

It's been a while since I actually worked at a retail store, but "back in the day", we had to call Visa/MC and get a confirmation number if the purchase was over a certain amount. Once you get a confirmation number, you *will be paid* by the credit card company. It's that simple.

If there turns out to be problems with the card, Visa/MC will suck it up and smile.

scott

[scottvelez]

Originally posted by Phaedrus
What's your take on international money orders? Are they safe???

Of course. Perfectly safe.

A little fact checking will go along ways towards answering life's little questions.
(hint: http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/tools/pg/manual/e07-e.asp)

scott

[eeyun]

Just a heads up, I got an email from 'anthony ryan' wanting me to ship my Shore frame to Indonesia...

what a jerk!

[aoe]

ok i just sole my bike to a guy from indonesia with credit card. Now I did some research before i did it and i read all of these stories. once the card is approved and I get my cash theres not a thing in the world visa/mc can do about it. if the card is stolen the berson who lost there card only has to pay a $50 fee and visa/mc just takes care of the rest of the money. i dont see whats so unsafe about it if the card is approved and you get your money before you send it out? its not like the bank is gonna come after me.. anyway the bike isnt shipped yet but will be next week. im gonna make sure i have my cheque, and get it cashed before then. any thoughts?

[NV73]

am Mr. Richard Dafe The Branch Manager of EcoBank International, Idumota Branch,Lagos Nigeria. I have an urgent and very confidential business proposition for you. On December, 1997, a Taiwanese Oil consultant/contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, Mr. Boris Chen made a numbered time (Fixed) Deposit for Twenty-Four calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty- five Million Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply. After some months, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation that Mr. Boris Chen died from an airplane crash ( Singapore Airlines).

On further investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL,and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr.Boris Chen did not declare any kin or relations in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in my Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one has ever come forward to claim it.

According to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you to stand in as the next of kin to Mr.Boris Chen so that the fruits of this old man's labour will not get into the hands of some corrupt government officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide immediately your full names and address so that the Attorney will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits which will put you in place as the next of kin. We shall employ the services of two Attorney for drafting and notarization of the WILL and to obtain the necessary documents and letter of probate/administration in your favour for the transfer. A bank account in any part of the world which you will provide will then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in the ratio of 70%or me and 25%or you and 5% be used in settling taxation and all local and foreign expenses.There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done by the Attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this transaction.

If you are interested, please reply immediately via the private email address or with my alternative email above. Upon your response, I shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help you understand the transaction.

Please observe utmost confidentiality, and be rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country. I can be reached through this email address.

I do urgently await your response.

Best regards,

Mr. Richard Dafe.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Yeah....If you sold it and the guy used a credit card, how are you going to receive a cheque? Is he buying money orders with the card to give to you?

[aoe]

no no. it was approved at the shop. so they have the money. then they just make a cheque out to me for that ammount -3% for card fees. i really dont see anything wrong with it.

[manalogue]

Except the fact that you're supporting the theft of credit cards. Would you buy a stolen bike too?

[aoe]

1st of all it most likely was his card. it probably would have been denied if it wasnt. credit card companies close the account right away if it is lost or stolen, they are very picky on this. and it was his name on the card. unless he found out the persons name he stole it from.

2nd even if it was stolen and he spent all kinds of money on it the person who lost the card isnt liable for a cent. they pay a $50 insurance fee and the bank covers the rest.

[manalogue]

If the thiefs couldn't use the cards, why would they bother stealing them? Sometimes transactions will go through...sometimes they won't. By supporting this activity, you support and directly contribute to the theft of credit cards. Plus, the card-holder's name is right on the card. It wouldn't be difficult to figure out the name. Knowing that the chances are high that the card used for the transaction, you're still willing to go through with payment? Like I said before, would you buy a stolen bike too?

[aoe]

no i wouldnt buy a stolen bike. but the person who gets there bike stolen looses it. the person who gets there card stolen doesnt loose any cash. and like i said i dont think its stolen. it usually only takes a 24hour period to report and stop a card account and ive been dealing with this for more then 24hours. if i knew for a fact that the card was stolen. like the bank confirmed it i wouldnt go through with the transaction just because i feel the scam artist shouldnt get a free bike, but not because the card holder would be loosing any money

edit: most stolen cards are thrown out after the first day or 2 because they get easy to trace and the account is usually closed.

[scottvelez]

If in doubt, ask the credit card company for a transaction confirmation number. They will refuse if the card is stolen.

scott

[aoe]

hey thats a good idea. If it is stolen and it went through but they knew about it wouldnt they have done something.