Chuckwagon and CBC

[cam@nsmb.com]

A buddy of mine saw the truck heading up there on Saturday.

To my knowledge CBC is still closed and the signs are still visible. I thought the Chuckwagon guys said they were going to honour the closure?

I have no definite confirmation of this - does anyone else? If they are still bringing riders to CBC though they should be stopped.

IMO that's not on.

[counterpoint]

agreed but were they riding CBC for sure?? The one time I used them they were well aware of Jeremy and the no-riding on CBC rule. In fact, they were laughing at poachers who got busted by Meeester Powers....

[counterpoint]

oh yeah, they also park at the TNT entrance area so if you're buddy saw them driving past the mushroom....

[T-bone]

I was up Seymour yesterday (not CBC) and the "CBC trail closed" sign that had been posted on the "Fed bear is a dead bear" sign was gone! Does anyone know who took it down and if that was excuse enough for people to go ride it?

[cam@nsmb.com]

As I said Jeremy - I have no confirmation of this. To be clear my buddy assumed they were going up to CBC and I hope they were not.

This is why I'm asking for information. This kind of PR could be very bad for our cause which is why I'm trying to head it off.

[wilkez]

IMO chuck wagon should be stopped altogether or start donating lots of money and time to the trails they shuttle. i know im gonna get flamed but im telling it as i see it. i know for sure if they started shuttling people to my trail i would be all over them for money to buy much needed supplies.

[Lady Gravity]

maybe give them a call cam? i think their numbers are posted somewhere. i sure hope it's not true :(

[Putty]

We saw Chuckwagon heading up past Mushroom on Sat. obviously they are not respecting the closure as there are no other trail access points above Corkscrew other than CBC.

As far as giving back, it should be money not time. I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't want people building on Pangor without our permission and supervision.

[gimped]

Putty, that's the best avatar I've ever seen.

Wilkez, nice to see you support a free market economy :rolleyes: Are you a socialist or what?

[Putty]

Originally posted by gimped
Putty, that's the best avatar I've ever seen.

Wilkez, nice to see you support a free market economy :rolleyes: Are you a socialist or what?

Thanks, I guess the quote should be:

There are no infidel shuttlers on CBC, never!

[Rat]

Im confused the signs have been take down, dose that not mean CBC is open? It would make sense as its been dry for a few days.

[counterpoint]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by putty
[B]We saw Chuckwagon heading up past Mushroom on Sat. obviously they are not respecting the closure as there are no other trail access points above Corkscrew other than CBC.

No it's not that obvious. They park at TNT entrance so they always drive by the parking lot. I'm not defending them because I don't know the facts but you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Nice work on Pangor by the way. That must be the hardest trail in the world to fix up.

[Ian_]

First off I dont live on the shore so Ive never see the chuck wagon anywhere.

But here is an idea (maybe its been mentioned) Why not get the chuck people to take you to CBC, If they do, your suspionsions will be answered. And shut em down.

[Putty]

Originally posted by counterpoint
[QUOTE]Originally posted by putty
[B]We saw Chuckwagon heading up past Mushroom on Sat. obviously they are not respecting the closure as there are no other trail access points above Corkscrew other than CBC.

No it's not that obvious. They park at TNT entrance so they always drive by the parking lot. I'm not defending them because I don't know the facts but you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Nice work on Pangor by the way. That must be the hardest trail in the world to fix up.

You are right. I am jumping. I will stop. Thanks for the Pangor kudos.

[seand]

ENTRAPMENT!

:D

[KenN]

Originally posted by Rat
Im confused the signs have been take down, dose that not mean CBC is open? It would make sense as its been dry for a few days.

The CBC signs haven't been taken down by anyone authorized to do so.

It takes more than a day or two to dry out that trail. A solid week, minimum and two weeks is better.

Kn.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by seand@nsmb
ENTRAPMENT!

:D

:lol: Yeah by the CBC cops. :rolleyes: :lol:

[Incorrigible]

Thread jack: Hey Putty, is the hike a bike still reality on Pangor or can it be ridden now? Just wondering. I look forward to these little things for my August pilgrimmage back to my roots, as it were.

[Rat]

Originally posted by KenN
The CBC signs haven't been taken down by anyone authorized to do so.

It takes more than a day or two to dry out that trail. A solid week, minimum and two weeks is better.

Kn.


So some bikers riped down the CBC closed signs!!!!

Unbelievable how some riders are complete shit heads, once again a small minorty ruin it for the general public.

[Putty]

Originally posted by Incorrigible
Thread jack: Hey Putty, is the hike a bike still reality on Pangor or can it be ridden now? Just wondering. I look forward to these little things for my August pilgrimmage back to my roots, as it were.

Unfortunately the hike a bike is still there, we will get rid of it though..eventually.

Maybe we can get it done in time for your haj :D

There is no hike a bike on Pangor, Never!!!

[Incorrigible]

It was the spot I almost passed out last year during the heat wave. I later actually did pass out on Neds.

You know, when you are lying there in the dust, it feels quite comfortable after a few minutes. I should have drank more water...

Back on topic: Those CBC poachers ought to have sticks put through their spokes. And then poked in the eyes as they are lying there in the PUDDLES! Edumacation ought to help though. That should start with the chuckwagon people.

[Putty]

maybe we should put in a water fountain as well?;)

[Incorrigible]

No that would be too easy, even for me. Also the back pack is useful for those accidents... But didn't somebody actually suggest this once?? I know - it was at whistler. The self sufficient mountain biker is becoming a thing of the past.

[switch]

Originally posted by putty
maybe we should put in a water fountain as well?;)

Plenty of water in the swamp. :D


The Chuckwagon parks just past the Mushroom parking lot, around the corner, on the west side of the road. It's possible that someone saw them go past the Mushroom parking lot because they were going there to turn around.

As for CBC, my neighbour often rides only Seymour road up to the top, and during the closures he's seen people going in there on more than one occasion. I've seen people drop out of there too when going up to TNT.

[gimped]

Yes guys, get actual proof before you label someone as "poaching" or vandalising. Go up to the CBC tower and wait there with a video camera. There's your proof. Thinking someone is riding it is not proof.

Although I'm sure there's people riding the CBC.

[Keefer]

That's not cool.

[IFO]

i actually used the "chuckwagon" ride for one of my trips up on Sat. and i can tell you they DID NOT take us up to CBC....

we did pass the "shroom" lot, and i was a little worried... thinking, "OMG these gusy are NOT taking us up to CBC are they?"...

but they pulled over teh TNT's lower lot, and we all unloaded there....

[manalogue]

Originally posted by gimped
Yes guys, get actual proof before you label someone as "poaching" or vandalising. Go up to the CBC tower and wait there with a video camera. There's your proof. Thinking someone is riding it is not proof.

Although I'm sure there's people riding the CBC.

Hanging out around a broadcast tower is never a good idea. Do you know how much radiation is emitted from them? There are reasons why broadcast engineers get "danger pay" when they go to transmitter sites.

[CraigH]

Originally posted by putty
there are no other trail access points above Corkscrew other than CBC.


Ummmm, TNT's entrance is above the Corkscrew/Incline entrance.

[CraigH]

Originally posted by Rat
Im confused the signs have been take down, dose that not mean CBC is open? It would make sense as its been dry for a few days.

I was on Fromme Sunday morning and it was friggin' pouring. I would be surpised if it wasn't raining on Seymour Sunday morning as well.

{edit to fix typo}

[Putty]

You're right about the TNT entrance. Forgot about that. I retracted earlier, but here it goes again...sorry.

[CraigH]

Originally posted by putty
You're right about the TNT entrance. Forgot about that. I retracted earlier, but here it goes again...sorry.

No big deal, I posted before I'd read down to the bottom of the thread. I should have read all the way before responding, but on long threads....

BTW, it was good to meet you on the NSMBA trail day on Pangor, I was one of the guys working on the section with the big log crossing just up from Dave.

[Putty]

Originally posted by CraigH
No big deal, I posted before I'd read down to the bottom of the thread. I should have read all the way before responding, but on long threads....

BTW, it was good to meet you on the NSMBA trail day on Pangor, I was one of the guys working on the section with the big log crossing just up from Dave.

That's OK. Yes, I remember.

Rode Pangor a couple of times after the trail day, and it is getting smoother.

See you at the next one.

[CraigH]

Originally posted by putty
Rode Pangor a couple of times after the trail day, and it is getting smoother.


I'll probably ride it Thurs. evening since I haven't ridden Pangor in probably a month. Mostly ride Fromme since it is quieter due to no shuttlers.

http://www.supershuttledenver.com/shuttle.jpg

[tazzmenn]

boycot chuckwagon, they are making profit off everyones free labour. If they can't stop them there should be no more trail days on seymour.:P

[Smoke]

Hey, maybe they were just driving up to the next lookout to turn around. It could happen.

And if you want to ride CBC, just be prepared to carry a couple of loads of rocks for the trail crew. Think of it as your duty.

....Lie back, and think of England.

[switch]

Originally posted by putty
You're right about the TNT entrance. Forgot about that. I retracted earlier, but here it goes again...sorry.

Damn Iraqui information minister is feeding us false info again! :D

[Speed Racer]

What time was it on saturday? I know that they were at lifecycles bike shop at around 3 for the roof jump sale. They had the trailer on the back of there can. Maybe they just came from doing a run:eek: :???:

[switch]

Originally posted by CraigH
I'll probably ride it Thurs. evening since I haven't ridden Pangor in probably a month. Mostly ride Fromme since it is quieter due to no shuttlers.

http://www.supershuttledenver.com/shuttle.jpg

I rode Pangor this evening. There was still some pretty deep muck in the worse sections (from mid log ride on down to swamp). The terrain being flat in a some of the areas makes the drainage very difficult; in the areas where it is sloped, the trail is great. From the trail day, rocking proved to take a huge amount of effort because of the amount of rocks needed. I think putting ladder bridges in the worst areas would save hours and hours of work.

The bermed section and log ride at the top is still a hoot, and still very novel to me. Love that work.

[Reggaeman]

Originally posted by tweek
:lol: Yeah by the CBC cops. :rolleyes: :lol:

You mean Sharon?

[Space Ace]

Or Sheila???:eek:

[Putty]

Originally posted by switch
Damn Iraqui information minister is feeding us false info again! :D

There are no trail entrances above CBC, never.

The devil will roast the shuttlers' tires in hell for all eternity.

[Putty]

Originally posted by switch
I rode Pangor this evening. There was still some pretty deep muck in the worse sections (from mid log ride on down to swamp). The terrain being flat in a some of the areas makes the drainage very difficult; in the areas where it is sloped, the trail is great. From the trail day, rocking proved to take a huge amount of effort because of the amount of rocks needed. I think putting ladder bridges in the worst areas would save hours and hours of work.

The bermed section and log ride at the top is still a hoot, and still very novel to me. Love that work.

I agree, there were a few places where rocks got thrown into mud, and basically sunk. I don't want to pave the whole trail, but there will be sections with long bridges, as that is the fastest way to build over flat swamps. Also, once we put in the bridging, we can always go back and add optional stunts, like from the 2nd wood berm up top.

[Big Dipper]

I spoke with the manager of the LSCR (land manager for Neds, CBC, TNT, etc.)

The LSCR and BC parks are monitoring the situation regarding respect for the trail closure and the Chuumpwagon...they are not happy about the Shuttle.

FYI - the LSCR, BC Parks and DNV have been meeting behind closed doors to strategize about our riding future....sounds like a good time to get your NSMBA membership in. Things are about to change....hopefully for the better.

[CraigH]

Originally posted by Reggaeman
You mean Sharon?

I'd guess he means Jeremy.

[wilkez]

Originally posted by gimped
Putty, that's the best avatar I've ever seen.

Wilkez, nice to see you support a free market economy :rolleyes: Are you a socialist or what?

communism is so great in theory....i'd hit it.

no serously, i just dont want people making money off stuff people volunteer to do. if i was getting paid to build trails sure go ahead and ride it as much as you want. but i build trails for the cool people that pile rocks at the signs and dont take advantage of volunteer work, not the chukwagon

[gimped]

Originally posted by wilkez
communism is so great in theory....i'd hit it.

no serously, i just dont want people making money off stuff people volunteer to do. if i was getting paid to build trails sure go ahead and ride it as much as you want. but i build trails for the cool people that pile rocks at the signs and dont take advantage of volunteer work, not the chukwagon

Well all idealism aside, the reality of it is that we're all feeding off something in a way. The privately owned land has trails on it that we build and ride, bike shops and manufacturers sell/make bikes to keep us riding.

In our little consumeristic society, individual people and large corporations are feeding off of others for profit. That's just the way it is.

If Chuckwagon is not helping with trail maintenance then it may be a different issue. But they could be helping the bike industry in a very small way by allowing more people to go out riding, break more parts = spend more money (just a theory).

[wilkez]

Originally posted by gimped
Well all idealism aside, the reality of it is that we're all feeding off something in a way. The privately owned land has trails on it that we build and ride, bike shops and manufacturers sell/make bikes to keep us riding.

In our little consumeristic society, individual people and large corporations are feeding off of others for profit. That's just the way it is.

If Chuckwagon is not helping with trail maintenance then it may be a different issue. But they could be helping the bike industry in a very small way by allowing more people to go out riding, break more parts = spend more money (just a theory).

youre right about that. they do allow more people to go riding, but thast not what my arguement is about. i dont thin kthe few bucks people are gonna spend becuase of them makes up for the destruction they do.

i guess im against it for moral reasons, not economic. its not the money that really matters its that trail workers are taken advantage of. the money is sort of a secondary thing

[switch]

If you're doing trail work, you'll always be taken advantage of.

Some stats of the # of people riding the trails vs. the amount of hours they spend on trail work would be very interesting.

[Pat T.®]

Yea they should shuttle trail workers up on trail days, and stay and work. I've put in some time on Seymore, not as much as most of you, but I have put in some time. The only good thing I can see about this is it reduces (or I would hope so) the amount of cars parked at the top, of course the down side is more cars parked at the bottom.Really if they are not going to give back to the riding community then they should not be contributing to the over use of trails like Ned's and later CBC. People give Jeremy shit because he cares about that trail, but wuld anyone question Digger if it was his trail?

[gimped]

Originally posted by wilkez
youre right about that. they do allow more people to go riding, but thast not what my arguement is about. i dont thin kthe few bucks people are gonna spend becuase of them makes up for the destruction they do.

i guess im against it for moral reasons, not economic. its not the money that really matters its that trail workers are taken advantage of. the money is sort of a secondary thing

I can understand that.

[Pat T.®]

Originally posted by switch
If you're doing trail work, you'll always be taken advantage of.

Some stats of the # of people riding the trails vs. the amount of hours they spend on trail work would be very interesting.

If they even do trail work, the amount of riders that actually do trail work is very very small. I know some riders were pissed because we were in their way on a CBC trail day. I just stood there with my trusty Pulaski at the ready...LOL

[wilkez]

perhaps there should be a chuckwagon trail day instead of JH or ontop. and make them bring lots of beer/good food

[Smoke]

Man I can't belive I didn't get slammed for that comment about how to poach. What's a guy got to do to provoke a response these days?

You all used to be so reactionary.

[switch]

Originally posted by wilkez
perhaps there should be a chuckwagon trail day instead of JH or ontop. and make them bring lots of beer/good food

Yeah, none of that hot dog stuff.

[switch]

Originally posted by Smoke
Man I can't belive I didn't get slammed for that comment about how to poach. What's a guy got to do to provoke a response these days?

You all used to be so reactionary.

Ah-Choo seems to have no problems getting a rise out of people. ;)

[polytics]

how does Chuckwagon allow more people to go riding? maybe the lazy ones can do a few more runs (more trail wear) by getting driven up but the reality is that Mountain biking is intended (at least it WAS) to have an excercise component... people who want to ride should ride UP first... that would limit erosion (less runs) particularily on seymour... I'm a big proponent of gated fire roads (for emergency crews) that allow only riders willing to hike/climb to use easily eroded trails... you want to shuttle then go to whistler were they have paid trail crews

[wilkez]

Originally posted by Smoke
Man I can't belive I didn't get slammed for that comment about how to poach. What's a guy got to do to provoke a response these days?

You all used to be so reactionary.

cuz if we say anything "attacking" anybody these days we get banned

[Niggz]

yah not to piss anyone off, but hotdogs just dont seem to cut it anymore. all the hard work and what do i get some kinda tube shaped piece of "meat" with probably more sawdust than sphincter. :lol: but i have heard very good thing about the ontop lunches...:D

[switch]

On-Top rules. BBQ salmon. :)

And a keg of beer. Oh, how good beer tastes at the end of a trail day. :drool:

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by wilkez
cuz if we say anything "attacking" anybody these days we get banned

:werd:

[Reggaeman]

Originally posted by Smoke
Man I can't belive I didn't get slammed for that comment about how to poach. What's a guy got to do to provoke a response these days?

You all used to be so reactionary.

...Quiet you...:P

[Pat T.®]

Originally posted by polytics
how does Chuckwagon allow more people to go riding? maybe the lazy ones can do a few more runs (more trail wear) by getting driven up but the reality is that Mountain biking is intended (at least it WAS) to have an excercise component... people who want to ride should ride UP first... that would limit erosion (less runs) particularily on seymour... I'm a big proponent of gated fire roads (for emergency crews) that allow only riders willing to hike/climb to use easily eroded trails... you want to shuttle then go to whistler were they have paid trail crews


Thats what I meant, more trail wear..... I'll push my bike up before contributing to those guys, only because I know how much work it is to fix the trails.