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ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 10:05 AM
I'm in the process of trying to sell my bike.

I have a guy who is very interested in Indonesia.

Does anyone have experience with selling stuff to strangers like this...ebay etc?

What is the best way to handle the payment?

I also need to find an economical international shipping company. Any ideas?



element
04-25-2003, 10:09 AM
damn, indonesia?

i dont think i would sell to someone that far away. its near impossible to track them down
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 10:12 AM
That's what I'm afraid of. But there must be some way to do it safely?
clay@nsmb.com
04-25-2003, 10:55 AM
Shipping to Indonesia would be brutal would it not?

Why not use PayPal?
FamilyJewels
04-25-2003, 10:58 AM
I have a bank account in Nigeria with $30,000,000 in it. Send me $50,000 to cover the transfer fees and your bank account and credit card information and I will transfer 10% into your account for your help.
clay@nsmb.com
04-25-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by FamilyJewels
I have a bank account in Nigeria with $30,000,000 in it. Send me $50,000 to cover the transfer fees and your bank account and credit card information and I will transfer 10% into your account for your help.

I had a feeling you were that Dr. Mambatatuu dude that has been emailing me for the last 6 months.
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by FamilyJewels
I have a bank account in Nigeria with $30,000,000 in it. Send me $50,000 to cover the transfer fees and your bank account and credit card information and I will transfer 10% into your account for your help.

Whatever buddy!
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
Shipping to Indonesia would be brutal would it not?

Why not use PayPal?

It's $522 using Purolator

$2100 using TNT.
Diligent_Nose
04-25-2003, 11:04 AM
make sure he understands he is paying shipping, and send it COD.
corey@nsmb.com
04-25-2003, 11:11 AM
Don't bother with the hassle. Too far away and too amny risks.

Somebody closer will buy it, be patient. I would only ship abroad is I was pre-paid. When I sold my bike to Nova Scotia, I insisted I was paid first. I was and it all worked out.
FlipSide
04-25-2003, 11:19 AM
There's a well know used-bike scam going on in Indonesia.

You have probably 99% of chances to get ripped off. Don't do it!
APT
04-25-2003, 11:34 AM
Dont do it bro! If you had to sell it, make sure you get the money before sending it.

PS. The last time I heard, Paypal is not doing business in Indonesia because there are just too many scams.
sprinter
04-25-2003, 11:42 AM
If anyone from Asia, Africa, or Eastern Europe want to buy something off the Internet from you run far, far, away. It's not worth the chance. There are to many scams going on.
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:42 AM
[i]

PS. The last time I heard, Paypal is not doing business in Indonesia because there are just too many scams. [/B]

Seriously.
The Unibiker
04-25-2003, 11:43 AM
I was wondering how people handle sales like this. Whether it's Indonesia or Calgary, what's the process? As a seller I wouldn't feel comfortable shipping anything worth $100 or more without receiving payment first, and as buyer I wouldn't feel comfortable sending a cheque to some guy without a guarantee that I will receive the item. Are people just supposed to trust each other or are there third party companies that handle things like this?

Mulletron waited for payment, my buddy just shipped his frame and trusted that the check was in the mail. Both deals worked out...
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:43 AM
Thanks for all the advice. I don't think I'll sell it to this guy.

The only way I will is if I have the money in my hand before I ship it.
APT
04-25-2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by ScreamRider
Seriously.

This was then, check their website to get the latest update.
APT
04-25-2003, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by PoserNewbie
This was then, check their website to get the latest update.

Paypal is available in the following countries:

Anguilla
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Costa Rica
Denmark
Dominican Republic
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Iceland
India
Ireland
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Luxembourg
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Singapore
South Korea
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
United Kingdom
Rat
04-25-2003, 11:49 AM
Pay pal does not even secure you if its a Canada / US transaction. look into the details
APT
04-25-2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Rat
Pay pal does not even secure you if its a Canada / US transaction. look into the details

But at least you can still dispute the charges with your credit card company. If you send a cashiers/certified check, you can't really do anything.
pete@nsmb.com
04-25-2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by ScreamRider
I'm in the process of trying to sell my bike.

I have a guy who is very interested in Indonesia.

Does anyone have experience with selling stuff to strangers like this...ebay etc?

What is the best way to handle the payment?

I also need to find an economical international shipping company. Any ideas?

Run away from that one - Indonesia leads the world in credit card theft - we often get orders for the store from Indonesia and less than 10% of them are legit.
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by The Unibiker
I was wondering how people handle sales like this. Whether it's Indonesia or Calgary, what's the process? As a seller I wouldn't feel comfortable shipping anything worth $100 or more without receiving payment first, and as buyer I wouldn't feel comfortable sending a cheque to some guy without a guarantee that I will receive the item. Are people just supposed to trust each other or are there third party companies that handle things like this?

Mulletron waited for payment, my buddy just shipped his frame and trusted that the check was in the mail. Both deals worked out...

My thoughts exactly! It seems like plenty of these deals take place through various buy/sell sites and online auctions, however, one party simply has to trust the other by making the first move. I too would never send something without having the money first nor would I send money before receiving an item first. It just seems like one big vicious circle. Is this simply the way it is?
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Rat
Pay pal does not even secure you if its a Canada / US transaction. look into the details

What do you mean exactly? I've never used paypal so I'm new to this.

If someone pays me through paypal from Canada or another country, once the funds are in my account, how can the deal go bad?
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Pete@nsmb.com
Run away from that one - Indonesia leads the world in credit card theft - we often get orders for the store from Indonesia and less than 10% of them are legit.

Thanks for the tip. I'll take your advice!
Rat
04-25-2003, 12:11 PM
you must give pay pal your credit card info
money is recieved in trust
you ship the bike
Buyer claims he did no receive what he paid for and has his credit card reverse the transaction
Paypal charges you.

Seller asumes all risk in international transactions
grashopa
04-25-2003, 12:16 PM
Money order before bike.. period. Shipped COD, or cost built into the sell price and added to the MO. I wouldn't bother dealing with them anyway, to much hassle.
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Rat
you must give pay pal your credit card info
money is recieved in trust
you ship the bike
Buyer claims he did no receive what he paid for and has his credit card reverse the transaction
Paypal charges you.

Seller asumes all risk in international transactions

Oh! That really sucks.

Thanks a lot for the info man. I will definitele stay away from this guy.

So are there any ways to safely do international transactions?
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by grashopa
Money order before bike.. period. Shipped COD, or cost built into the sell price and added to the MO. I wouldn't bother dealing with them anyway, to much hassle.

Is there any way to get ripped off with a MO?

If I receive the MO and get the money in my bank account before I ship the bike, can the guy later lie and say he didn't receive the bike and then get the money back some how?
Loopie
04-25-2003, 01:02 PM
Sell it to anyone who pays you for it.
It's really quite simple.
COD can be done within Canada......so the buyer doesn't get what you sent unless he pays the postal guy the amount you specified...in cash. Post office sends you a moneyorder.
No COD across the border to the US. What I did was have my buyer send a certified cheque to my bike shop, in the bike shops name, first. It made them feel more secure:) Then I sent the bike.
Overseas? Same. He's got to have payment secured first before you send. Simple. Tell him to pay your shop and talk to your shop, they can tell him that you are legit about your bike sale and such. If he doesn't want to do something like that....too bad I guess.
Loopie
04-25-2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by ScreamRider
Is there any way to get ripped off with a MO?

If I receive the MO and get the money in my bank account before I ship the bike, can the guy later lie and say he didn't receive the bike and then get the money back some how?
MO is as good as cash.
Don't deal with credit cards IMO...they can be stopped, reversed, stolen, etc....

If you find a buyer in Canada....just use the Post Office COD program.....works great. Just make sure they check off the little box that says "cash only".
:)
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 02:07 PM
Those both sound like good options.

BTW- when I suggested Paypal to the guy from Indonesia he suddenly wasn't interested anymore. Smells like a scam to me. That bastard!
grashopa
04-25-2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by ScreamRider
Is there any way to get ripped off with a MO?

If I receive the MO and get the money in my bank account before I ship the bike, can the guy later lie and say he didn't receive the bike and then get the money back some how?

Money orders are bank certified, you can deposit it and have it right away. Don't send the bike until you have deposited it though. Once he's sent you the money order and its deposited he can't get the cash back. What are you selling anyway?
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by grashopa
What are you selling anyway?

A 2003 Banshee Scream
cameron
04-25-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by ScreamRider
A 2003 Banshee Scream

Um.....WHY?


:nono:
ScreamRider
04-25-2003, 03:39 PM
Forced to move to Ontario and I think I would get better use out of a specific DH race bike
.glib
04-28-2003, 02:06 PM
Ahh!

Go here now!!:
http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13474
barry
04-28-2003, 07:45 PM
I was just gonna post that link.


Doesn't matter though, you won't have trouble selling the bike anyway....
oldschl81
04-28-2003, 07:59 PM
you guys need to start using

www.westernunion.com

use their money orders or the bid pay system.

you can track the progress of the money order online and find out when they cashed it.

always have the cash in hand and wait for it to clear in your bank account first.

never send them the bike or parts first.unless you use cod.

if they want the bike badly then they can shell out the extra $$ for cod.

josh:)