DH racers and old men complaining

[Wayne P]

Nordee and I noticed something at the Sun Peaks BC Cup. It seems that many (if not all) racers don't really prepare like racers did in the past. Here's some examples of how bitter and grumpy we are: :P

- You show up at a super fast course like SP and EVERYONE leaves the tiny chainring on their bikes and they spin out well before the cattle guard. Back in the day, most of us would take 2-3 rings with us and swap 'em out given the type of course. Sam Hill doesn't have to pedal, you do. There were so many surprisingly slow people on that section. lolz

- that ties in with the amount of riders using flat pedals on a pedally course and the subsequent coasting (see above reference to Sam Hill). If you can't pedal with flats on choppy terrain, may I suggest you run clipless pedals mmmkay?

- Tires. Do people even bring multiple tire choices with them anymore? Why would you use a clapped out Comp16 on a hard pack course? Granted, there's so many better choices nowadays, but it seems most people don't swap tires for different conditions or terrain.

- On that road crossing, high speed hill before the cattle guard - pedal your ass off and get into a tuck, saving energy. Instead we see guys coasting out of the woods trying to pump, arms super wide, acting like a friggin' sail, and they're going brutally slow.

- Hardly anyone walks the course or practices sections. If you are having trouble with a section, stop and look at what's causing you grief. Example: the washed out berm before the last section of trees. There was one clear, fast line that you could take, but only a handful of riders did. Tony and I were called up because some riders complained about the berm being washed out. We get there and instantly see this awesome line but nobody rode it.

- another thing, why do so many people run their levers nearly vertical?

signed.... grumpy old man Parsons.

[Lady Gravity]

well i didn't race at SP, but very interesting points for sure. i can't afford to change out tires. i'm trying to get used to turning my brake levers down but it's tricky.

[Wayne P]

Why would you want to turn your brakes down?

[APT]

Maybe alot of people just race for fun?

[Lady Gravity]

Why would you want to turn your brakes down?

you said "levers" - i assumed you were referring to brake levers? i run mine straight out but i've seen dh racers have them turned down so that their hands are more forward on the bars, which moves their shoulders more over the handlebars ie body weight on the front end.

is that not what you meant?

Maybe alot of people just race for fun?

i used to think so, but you'd be surprised at how competitive you get when the timer starts. i race for "fun" because i'm slow, but i'd give anything to be faster. possibly a lobotomy would work.

[Dean W]

.......but i've seen dh racers have them turned down so that their hands are more forward on the bars, which moves their shoulders more over the handlebars ie body weight on the front end......

Bingo......I tried it on a ride once and almost killed myself by not being able to grab the brakes.

I suppose you could get used to it or progressively moved the brakes more vertical.

Different strokes for different folks.

Kinda like clips and flats.

[Bryon]

well i didn't race at SP, but very interesting points for sure. i can't afford to change out tires. i'm trying to get used to turning my brake levers down but it's tricky.

Tricky? Or wrong...

Get forward on your bike with your elbows up on the way down the straights but get back with your weight on the pedals under braking. All your weight goes into your arms if your levers are pointed down and that is not good for traction or control.

[Wayne P]

you said "levers" - i assumed you were referring to brake levers? i run mine straight out but i've seen dh racers have them turned down so that their hands are more forward on the bars, which moves their shoulders more over the handlebars ie body weight on the front end.

is that not what you meant?

Yes.

You can achieve the same results without running your levers straight down. You're not always riding over the front of your bike too. Mine are at about 45 degrees or so.

One thing to note, most MX racers run their levers completely flat (horizontal) or close to it.


^ Bryon's been racing MX and MTB longer than some of us have been alive, listen to him.

[DaveM]

You are grumpy Parsons and you're not even old yet!

Grab a bike and come out and show them how it's done.

[DUDEONABIKE]

I did my first 2 laps clipped in, then switched to flats. I felt way more confident on the course on flats (my brother said i was riding noticably faster)especially because of all the loose/dusty parts.
I can only use up to a 36 tooth ring in my guide (thinking about getting another guide and bigger ring)
A few different pairs of tires can cost quite a bit, I didn't feel like i needed a different tire set up though
Where your brake levers are positioned is personal preferance i think, if you ride elbows tucked in then flatter levers are key but when your elbows are out it's more comfortable to have steeper levers.
I only had troubles on one part of the course, where there was the log across the trail that you could jump or pump over then into the tight s turns. I stopped and scoped the section, watched a few people ride the section, then rode it fine.

[Sharon]

If your brake levers are more horizontal won't that make your wrists bend more?

Isn't this a bad thing since it strains your wrist and increases the chance of your hands slipping off.

I have my brake levers positioned such that I don't have to bend my wrists, ~45o.

[Wayne P]

If your brake levers are more horizontal won't that make your wrists bend more?

Isn't this a bad thing since it strains your wrist and increases the chance of your hands slipping off.

I have my brake levers positioned such that I don't have to bend my wrists, ~45o.

More horizontal than vertical - then yes.

~45 is good because its pretty much neutral for every course, as in, it doesn't matter where your body position is. I see some of these guys struggling to reach their levers because they're pointing down towards the floor. Who started this trend anyway?:high:

[gary j]

you are pretty much in the same location on your bike every time you hit the brakes so set them from that body position.

brake levers should be in a direct line with your skeletal arm. this way there is no bend at the wrist which can reduce blood flow and cause arm pump.

but what do i know, i can't even tail whip?!?

[jzogaris]

i would say the steeper the course the more horizontal your levers should be but changing it up would just be hard to get used to so im gonna go and flatten my levers seeing as how i pretty much only ride whistler and cypress and ill see if it makes any difference

[enduramil]

Nordee and I noticed something at the Sun Peaks BC Cup. It seems that many (if not all) racers don't really prepare like racers did in the past. Here's some examples of how bitter and grumpy we are: :P

- You show up at a super fast course like SP and EVERYONE leaves the tiny chainring on their bikes and they spin out well before the cattle guard. Back in the day, most of us would take 2-3 rings with us and swap 'em out given the type of course. Sam Hill doesn't have to pedal, you do. There were so many surprisingly slow people on that section. lolz

- that ties in with the amount of riders using flat pedals on a pedally course and the subsequent coasting (see above reference to Sam Hill). If you can't pedal with flats on choppy terrain, may I suggest you run clipless pedals mmmkay?

- Tires. Do people even bring multiple tire choices with them anymore? Why would you use a clapped out Comp16 on a hard pack course? Granted, there's so many better choices nowadays, but it seems most people don't swap tires for different conditions or terrain.

- On that road crossing, high speed hill before the cattle guard - pedal your ass off and get into a tuck, saving energy. Instead we see guys coasting out of the woods trying to pump, arms super wide, acting like a friggin' sail, and they're going brutally slow.

- Hardly anyone walks the course or practices sections. If you are having trouble with a section, stop and look at what's causing you grief. Example: the washed out berm before the last section of trees. There was one clear, fast line that you could take, but only a handful of riders did. Tony and I were called up because some riders complained about the berm being washed out. We get there and instantly see this awesome line but nobody rode it.

- another thing, why do so many people run their levers nearly vertical?

signed.... grumpy old man Parsons.

No surprise there. No one has to work to get good anymore. They all think it comes included with their Norco A Line.

[DaveM]

You are grumpy Parsons and you're not even old yet!

Grab a bike and come out and show them how it's done.

or perhaps some of you old retired grumpy ex-racers should start putting on race clinics.

Amateur racing appears to be on the upswing, with most BC races easily getting 200+ racers signing up. Racing clinics or coaching seem to be almost non-existant. Shaums March is about the only seasoned pro racer that is doing any kind of local clinics or coaching. Most new riders interested in racing usually just head out and see how fast they can go and hope for the best.

If you've got knowledge to share, why not share it in a constructive way?

I heard Johnie2P was asking about the Enns Racing clinic.

but while old men are complaining. You fast kids getting on the podium at races that insist on wearing those baller hats that are 2 sizes too big for your head.....take them off when someone is trying to put a medal around your neck! Heck, take your hat off when Nancy Greene is congratulating you! It's Nancy Greene for crying out loud, have some respect! Here's a list of her acheivements:

Honours & Awards:
> 1968 - Officer of the Order of Canada
> 1968 - Order of the Dogwood, (BC's highest award)
> 1967 & 1968 - Canadian 'Athlete of the Year'
> 1967 - Amateur Athletic Union 'Female Athlete of the Year'
> 1968 - B'nai B'rith 'Woman of the Year'
> 1988 - B.C. 'Ambassador of Tourism'
> 1991 - Whistler's 'Citizen of the Year' (with husband Al)
> 1999 - Hon. Doctorate of Laws, University College of the Cariboo
> 1999 - Canadian Female Athlete of the Century
> 1999 - HALVA International Skiing Award
> 2002 - Hon. Doctorate of Laws, Royal Roads University

You should be honored that she is giving you a medal.

[FlipFantasia]

but while old men are complaining. You fast kids getting on the podium at races that insist on wearing those baller hats that are 2 sizes too big for your head.....take them off when someone is trying to put a medal around your neck! Heck, take your hat off when Nancy Greene is congratulating you! It's Nancy Greene for crying out loud, have some respect!

that's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing as she struggled a few times to try and get medals over hats....and it was girls too that weren't removing them.....

[Wayne P]

I'd rather just complain on the sidelines without having to back anything up.

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

I think it's okay for people to show up unprepared. As long as they are just there for a good time and not looking to win. I am sure it's only the people that are completely unprepared but then complain about the course that would bother the organizers? Like having poor tires and complaining about how loose the course is.

[DaveM]

I'd rather just complain on the sidelines without having to back anything up.


Just think, start a little business coaching, get some sponsors and pretty soon you've got that free bike you've been yearning for, build up a race team and the next thing you know you've got Sam Hill sending you a resume.

[enduramil]

Just think, start a little business coaching, get some sponsors and pretty soon you've got that free bike you've been yearning for, build up a race team and the next thing you know you've got Sam Hill sending you a resume.

The only thing WayneP is building up is a World Championship case of Hemmroids.

[DaveM]

The only thing WayneP is building up is a World Championship case of Hemmroids.


and dishpan hands

[Wayne P]

Sam could use a lesson on how to keep your hands milky white and supple.

[Bryon]

I heard Johnie2P was asking about the Enns Racing clinic.


I have a special lesson planned for Johnie at Mt Washington!

[Lady Gravity]

Tricky? Or wrong...

Get forward on your bike with your elbows up on the way down the straights but get back with your weight on the pedals under braking. All your weight goes into your arms if your levers are pointed down and that is not good for traction or control.

good to know, thanks.
i turned my levers from 30deg to 45 on my ride last night and it felt pretty good. i'd had an ex-racer guy i used to ride with tell me to point them straight down before, and that felt like crap, but this is ok.

oh and if someone decides to teach a clinic on racing..sign me up!

[Wayne P]

Talk to Shaums.

If not, old man Enns could give you some advice he picked up from me, or even Jackson if you want to be taught by the slowest coach ever. lol Seriously, talk to Bryon.

[Lady Gravity]

Talk to Shaums.

shaums is awesome. i've taken a clinic from him before - cornering - and it was great. i found him a little disorganized though, but this was a couple of years ago so maybe he's better now :P

[Timmigrant]

Talk to Shaums.

If not, old man Enns could give you some advice he picked up from me, or even Jackson if you want to be taught by the slowest coach ever. lol Seriously, talk to Bryon.

Bryon could teach you how to get beaten by a never-was, fat African kid.

And funny you mention those points Wayne. I've noticed the tire thing lately. Most amatuers tend to buy some tires and use them at every race regardless of the course. That being said I did the same thing when I started racing. I was using a Comp32 up front and a 2.5" Comp24 on the rear for an entire season, the same two tires. The rear tire was so bald I think canvas was showing down the middle. I couldn't afford multiple sets of tires, and I felt I got down the course ok. Now I bring 5 spare tires to the race and ensure that the tires I race in are fresh. I've come to realize tires are important and needed for a competitive time.

Shaum's is a fantastic coach. But I think Wayne's point about a race coach teaching as much about bike setup and race preparation as about riding skills is valid. I personally do a lot of race preparation stuff that I've learnt the hard way.

[Bryon]

Talk to Shaums.

If not, old man Enns could give you some advice he picked up from me, or even Jackson if you want to be taught by the slowest coach ever. lol Seriously, talk to Bryon.

Ya, the best advice I got from Wayne was not to lead the BC Cup going into the finals at Mt Washington. How did that go again Wayne?

[Wayne P]

Ya, the best advice I got from Wayne was not to lead the BC Cup going into the finals at Mt Washington. How did that go again Wayne?

I had a win damn it!!!!!! :cry:

Hey, aren't you leading right now?

[Wayne P]

...and its worthwhile to pick up an MX magazine once in while to see race prep taken to the extreme. Rebuilding engines every race, replacing the frames every race, tires every moto, wheels every race, etc etc.... although it helps having a mechanic and factory backed sponsorship. LOL

Regardless of the money involved, there's still a lot to be learned from what those guys are doing.

[Bryon]

I had a win damn it!!!!!! :cry:

Hey, aren't you leading right now?

Johnie is leading and I just won my 1st race at Sun Peaks.

Could this be a repeat of 2005? I had just won my 1st race at Sun Peaks when we went to Mt. Washington...

Back in 2005 it looked like this when the Mt Washington mud settled:
1 - Bryon @ 4:25
2- Al Box @ 4:39
3- Wayne @ 4:44
4- Jamie Blogg @ 4:51
5- Johnie P @ 4:51 (26 seconds back) :cry:

And Wayne placed 2nd Overall. Johnie should be nervous!

[Wayne P]

I was cheated by the system! Al and I were tied in points but that second place of his meant he got the decision, even though I won at Pano and he didn't even show up for Bear.

...but I'm not bitter.

[Timmigrant]

I was cheated by the system! Al and I were tied in points but that second place of his meant he got the decision, even though I won at Pano and he didn't even show up for Bear.

...but I'm not bitter.

All could have been avoided if you had just manned up and beaten Box and Enns at that Mt. Washington race.

Coming back to your point about chain rings. I personally used a 36th ring at Sun Peaks this past week-end. I've come to find that if I'm spinning out a 36th ring, I'm usually better off tucking and resting. Out of the top steep section I put in 4 or 5 pedal strokes until I hopped on and off the road and from there on was in as small a tuck as possible. Sorry Parsons but the days of spinning out your 44 ring are long gone.

[gary j]

I was cheated by the system! Al and I were tied in points but that second place of his meant he got the decision, even though I won at Pano and he didn't even show up for Bear.

...but I'm not bitter.

for tomac's sake, i'm soooo sick of hearing about how parsons got robbed out of a bc cup overall. you should have won more races and then there wouldn't have been a problem.

cough..like i did the year before...cough. call me slow ya jerk.

but really, multiple sets of chainrings and tires is a little excessive for most recreational racing
imho a quality set of rubber minions/comp 24/nevegals will work just fine for most bc courses. and a 36 tooth ring is plenty of fire power for all the reasons tim stated above.

[Wayne P]

A 36/11 is too small for the Peaks Tim. You would have been in the top 10 if you brought something bigger. Yea, not a 44 you dork, a 38 would have been enough to get in a few more strokes and carry more speed into the descent. I watched a few categories of riders going through that high speed section and the guys who were going the fastest pedaled before they hit the road crossing. Nordee was yelling at everybody, "Shift! Shift!" :lol:

[DaveM]

A 36/11 is too small for the Peaks Tim. You would have been in the top 10 if you brought something bigger. Yea, not a 44 you dork, a 38 would have been enough to get in a few more strokes and carry more speed into the descent. I watched a few categories of riders going through that high speed section and the guys who were going the fastest pedaled before they hit the road crossing. Nordee was yelling at everybody, "Shift! Shift!" :lol:

you're about to hear a story about Nico that will dispute your theory :D

[SkunkworkS]

We need less discussion of old people racing back in the old days and more discussion of them leading some race clinics.

[Aeropusher]

We need less discussion of old people racing back in the old days and more discussion of them leading some race clinics.

ya!...what he said!

(can old guys come to these race clinics, too??)

[Aeropusher]

Nordee and I noticed something at the Sun Peaks BC Cup. It seems that many (if not all) racers don't really prepare like racers did in the past. Here's some examples of how bitter and grumpy we are: :P

- You show up at a super fast course like SP and EVERYONE leaves the tiny chainring on their bikes

- that ties in with the amount of riders using flat pedals on a pedally course

- Tires. Do people even bring multiple tire choices with them anymore?

- On that road crossing, high speed hill before the cattle guard - pedal your ass off and get into a tuck, saving energy.

- Hardly anyone walks the course or practices sections.

- another thing, why do so many people run their levers nearly vertical?

signed.... grumpy old man Parsons.

you raise some good points....I know that coming to whistler for a month I packed more spare/tires/rings than I took to any of the local races I managed to make it to but that next year I'll go out of my way to take some "tuning" pieces. I actually find it odd, after being around auto racing for so long where we brought spares of almost everything, to see people show up at races with hardly anything in a tool box, or any spares especially things that always tend to break.

Does anyone actually go to the trouble of carrying a spare set of built up wheels (maybe even mounted with a different tire compound)??

as for walking...I walked part of the Port Alice DH and that part I could handle fairly well. The piece I didnt walk was the one that kicked my ass and left catching the shuttle down while I tried to remember my own name. I'll be walking all the courses this year for sure.

[Bryon]

All could have been avoided if you had just manned up and beaten Box and Enns at that Mt. Washington race.

Yeah exactly, I'm not racing in the same category as Bryon Enns but it sure feels awesome to beat him all the time.

Hmm, Let's see at that Mt Washington race:

Enns - 4:25
Parsons - 4:44
Coleman - 5:54 (down 1:29):damn:

A lesser man would have just quit racing after that eh Tim.

[Timmigrant]

you're about to here a story about Nico that will dispute your theory :D

Awesome! I wish I could rep you for that post Dave.

I was reading an article from Nicolas Vouilloz that was talking about tucking vs. pedalling. I believe it was on the Les Gets course and there was a long straight piece of trail before a wooded section. Nico and crew timed a couple practice runs and they found that Nico was 3 seconds faster when sprinting the long straight section than if he pedalled. However Nico was 9 seconds quicker in the next wooded section if he tucked than if he pedalled, because he had more energy. In the end Nico tucked where everyone else was pedalling like mad ... and won the race. I personally pedalled to the road, and then tucked to bring the heart rate down and relax before the upcoming long sweeping turns and hard pedal section into Arm Pump. The 36 was more than enough at Sun Peaks, I didn't spin out the 36 so a 38 would have been useless.

[Timmigrant]

Hmm, Let's see at that Mt Washington race:

Enns - 4:25
Parsons - 4:44
Coleman - 5:54 (down 1:29):damn:

A lesser man would have just quit racing after that eh Tim.

LOL ... that race was awesome. That was the year I crashed so badly that I couldn't find my big red V10. The course marshal had to point me in the right direction to find my bike. The cassette turned out to be jammed with tape, so I couldn't pedal either. I'm hoping to do better this coming week-end.

[Darryl]

This Being my third season racing I figure I finnaly got my race prep down after reading to what Wayne was listing off.

Full tool box
Spare bike build kit in a box
Light race wheels with new rubber
Spare forks
Repair stand
spare helmet
spare goggles
Flat pedals/ 5-10 shoes (clipless all the way!)
More than enough shorts, jerseys, and gloves

Im almost considering a digital camera for next years course walks

As for the multiple tire choices, I have found the Minion to be the ultimate do it all tire.A new 3C Minion sticks to most everything. I wish I had the funds to Import those Fancy wet-screams from Europe.

[SIDESHOW]

We need less discussion of old people racing back in the old days and more discussion of them leading some race clinics.


Ive been doing a lot of teaching this year. I actually prefer to teach "adults". I might run a program thru Whistler next summer.

Flame me if you want folks, but I can make you faster, and yes teaching you makes me faster.

My main issue is that I cant offer race training per say, as I haven't raced enough in the last 5yrs.

c

[Johnie P]

Who is going to be the 30-39 chumpion?

[Wayne P]

Awesome! I wish I could rep you for that post Dave.

I was reading an article from Nicolas Vouilloz that was talking about tucking vs. pedalling. I believe it was on the Les Gets course and there was a long straight piece of trail before a wooded section. Nico and crew timed a couple practice runs and they found that Nico was 3 seconds faster when sprinting the long straight section than if he pedalled. However Nico was 9 seconds quicker in the next wooded section if he tucked than if he pedalled, because he had more energy. In the end Nico tucked where everyone else was pedalling like mad ... and won the race. I personally pedalled to the road, and then tucked to bring the heart rate down and relax before the upcoming long sweeping turns and hard pedal section into Arm Pump. The 36 was more than enough at Sun Peaks, I didn't spin out the 36 so a 38 would have been useless.

Yea yea... I read that before too, and I agree with it. I said pedal into the long steep hill and get into a tuck and coast. Only a few riders actually did this. Most just coasted out of the woods or put in a couple of strokes and went into the hill relatively slow.

[Dean W]

I think it's time for someone to come out of retirement and walk the walk instead of talking the talk.

[DaveM]

Who is going to be the 30-39 chumpion?

who's taking Friday off work?

Yea yea... I read that before too, and I agree with it. I said pedal into the long steep hill and get into a tuck and coast. Only a few riders actually did this. Most just coasted out of the woods or put in a couple of strokes and went into the hill relatively slow.

I think that was the only place I felt fast!

[SIDESHOW]

Who is going to be the 30-39 chumpion?

Fack, looks like I might have to buy that license, matching times doesnt look as good as podiums....haha...

[Bryon]

Who is going to be the 30-39 chumpion?

With your track record this year we all know you would end up 2nd...

I hear the wedding is actually in two weeks.

[Johnie P]

No the wedding is this Saturday. Hey Cory I will pay for half of your license If you race masters and beat Enns.

[Timmigrant]

I think it's time for someone to come out of retirement and walk the walk instead of talking the talk.

Agreed. Its time for you to buy that M6 and come show us how its done again.

[Midas]

racing is so last season.

[Lady Gravity]

No the wedding is this Saturday.

yours? where's my invite?!

[Wayne P]

Agreed. Its time for you to buy that M6 and come show us how its done again.

:lol: But this is so much easier! :evil: Do you think I'd talk this much smack if I had to back it up????

I'll make my comeback in a few years after I try some dirtbike racing, once I realize finally how expensive it is to keep a motorbike running.

Dustin says that in 2 years when he turns 30 he's going to start racing in the Master class, for real. Get those chumpionships in while you can! Nordee is debating whether or not to come back too. Hmmm... I sense a team of geriatric racers waiting to be formed. 'Old and Bitter Racing'? Who's in?

[Darryl]

If Fernie starts having races again, Brian Eller might come out of retirement.

but he would still be under 30!

[Kossinnd]

One guy in his teens (I expect) was freaking out at the chairlift because it kept stopping. we werent racing but he told us to STFU because we were talking about some trails etc. :crazy:

[gary j]

:lol: But this is so much easier! :evil: Do you think I'd talk this much smack if I had to back it up????

I'll make my comeback in a few years after I try some dirtbike racing, once I realize finally how expensive it is to keep a motorbike running.

Dustin says that in 2 years when he turns 30 he's going to start racing in the Master class, for real. Get those chumpionships in while you can! Nordee is debating whether or not to come back too. Hmmm... I sense a team of geriatric racers waiting to be formed. 'Old and Bitter Racing'? Who's in?

isn't hate and discontent already a team?

[Wayne P]

isn't hate and discontent already a team?

Didn't they disband when old man Beattie had a kid?

[DaveM]

Didn't they disband when old man Beattie had a kid?

I think Chris "Grumpy" Gullet is carrying on the name

[Brian316]

I think Chris "Grumpy" Gullet is carrying on the name

Chris was out for the first couple of races but has been hiding since. Chris.....hello.....are you there?

If Dustin came out to race in master he would slaughter the whole current crew. Better get your game on if you want to hang with him when your 30 Tim. Maybe he slowed up a bit.

Come on John, just do one pre-run, race the course and beat Bryon. You don't really need to beat him to take the title though, but I'm sure you'd want to anyway.

Are you going to race this one Dave? Hopefully we have a good showing for the 40+ guys.

[DaveM]

Are you going to race this one Dave? Hopefully we have a good showing for the 40+ guys.

Nope, I'm on holidays back up at Sunpeaks actually.

You better bring the "A" game though Brian, Dave Dyment has stepped up his game big time!!

[Timmigrant]

Chris was out for the first couple of races but has been hiding since. Chris.....hello.....are you there?

If Dustin came out to race in master he would slaughter the whole current crew. Better get your game on if you want to hang with him when your 30 Tim. Maybe he slowed up a bit.

Come on John, just do one pre-run, race the course and beat Bryon. You don't really need to beat him to take the title though, but I'm sure you'd want to anyway.

Are you going to race this one Dave? Hopefully we have a good showing for the 40+ guys.

While I can't wait till I'm 30 ... by the time I hit Masters there might be some really quick guys already there; Geoff Pendrel, Brant Lyon, Nick Quinn and Luke Kitzanuk are all 30 next year.

[Qn'r]

Thanks for reminding me Tim, Ha Ha!

[connor]

While I can't wait till I'm 30 ... by the time I hit Masters there might be some really quick guys already there; Geoff Pendrel, Brant Lyon, Nick Quinn and Luke Kitzanuk are all 30 next year.

oh man.... <crosses fingers they stay in Pro> they're going to ruin my mid-pack chances...

[Timmigrant]

Thanks for reminding me Tim, Ha Ha!

LOL ... I'm jealous Nick, I can't wait for Masters. I'm so ready, my bench racing is coming up to speed, and I just got myself a tight fitting race jersey.

On a side note I hope they move over ... I'd be fun to see Bryon and Johnie2P argueing over 5th place. That and I'd do a whole lot better in Pro ...

[DaveM]

LOL ... I'm jealous Nick, I can't wait for Masters. I'm so ready, my bench racing is coming up to speed, and I just got myself a tight fitting race jersey.

On a side note I hope they move over ... I'd be fun to see Bryon and Johnie2P argueing over 5th place. That and I'd do a whole lot better in Pro ...

wait until they're in 50+ racing each other down the walkway in the "home"

[Ninja]

How come it takes a roadie to bring up "fitness" as a possible limiter to going faster.

Most people probably weren't sprinting hard enough cause they were cooked! 36 or 38 doesn't mean shit if you're cross eyed, and out of gas.

[Wayne P]

How come it takes a roadie to bring up "fitness" as a possible limiter to going faster.

Most people probably weren't sprinting hard enough cause they were cooked! 36 or 38 doesn't mean shit if you're cross eyed, and out of gas.

Fitness was never really an issue for me, but I'd still blow up (mostly due to nerves). Fitness is less of a factor than it was years ago, although the SP course requires tons of gas in the tank. I used to love courses like Rossland and Pano where there wasn't much pedaling and the guy who could lay off the brakes could do well.

8 seconds off Dustin! He probably crashed...

[DaveM]

Fitness was never really an issue for me, but I'd still blow up (mostly due to nerves). Fitness is less of a factor than it was years ago, although the SP course requires tons of gas in the tank. I used to love courses like Rossland and Pano where there wasn't much pedaling and the guy who could lay off the brakes could do well.

8 seconds off Dustin! He probably crashed...


That was an interesting scroll through the racers there..

Wade Simmons, Thomas Vanderham, Ryder Kasprick, Darren Butler and "Dharma" Fontaine...

[Bryon]

Who is going to be the 30-39 chumpion?

It's the both the Provincials & BC Cup Finals I see. I am going for the Provincial Champ!

[Bryon]

I used to love courses like Rossland and Pano where there wasn't much pedaling and the guy who could lay off the brakes could do well.

8 seconds off Dustin! He probably crashed...

I see Brian Enns was 27 seconds back. :rolleyes: He's no relation to me...

[connor]

Fitness was never really an issue for me, but I'd still blow up (mostly due to nerves). Fitness is less of a factor than it was years ago, although the SP course requires tons of gas in the tank. I used to love courses like Rossland and Pano where there wasn't much pedaling and the guy who could lay off the brakes could do well.

8 seconds off Dustin! He probably crashed...

do you know where to find even older results?? I'm looking for stuff from 94-97

[DaveM]

http://www.myresults.com/results/index.html

[connor]

http://www.myresults.com/results/index.html

yeah thanks Tips.. they're not there.

[connor]

Tim Coleman has a doppleganger!!\

http://www.myresults.com/results/2000/hammerfest/dh/ReportRaceResults_1Page14.html

[DaveM]

2000?

I hadn't even heard of mountain biking back in 2000

[connor]

2000?

I hadn't even heard of mountain biking back in 2000

it shows.

[Robot]

it shows.

ouch.

[DaveM]

I think my feeling was hurt.

Oh well 4 days at Sunpeaks should fix that.

enjoy the rain

[Timmigrant]

Tim Coleman has a doppleganger!!\

http://www.myresults.com/results/2000/hammerfest/dh/ReportRaceResults_1Page14.html

Cool ... never heard of that guy before ... anyways ... I hadn't heard of mountain in 2000 either.

[Wayne P]

Noobs. Enns had already been riding 20 years by 2000.

[connor]

I think my feeling was hurt.

Oh well 4 days at Sunpeaks should fix that.

enjoy the rain

aaahhhh!!! dammit.. and Heather's going to ride Fernie too...

[connor]

Noobs. Enns had already been riding 20 years by 2000.

pics or it never happened.

[Wayne P]

Bryon raced against Tomac. No, I'm not kidding.

[Bryon]

pics or it never happened.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2843590638_2e2b881890.jpg


Yup, winning and smack talking for two decades! :rocker: I wish I knew where the pic is of me and Tomac on the start line at the Kelso Fat Tire Festival back in about 1991... We had matching mullets I think.:fro:

[bcbud]

that's hilarious, I am originally from Milton, Kelso is still good riding....