Fromme Road (Mountain Highway)

[CraigH]

Someone (Grouse Mountain?) is busy spreading asphalt road griding on the gravel road.

Does it make sense to spread a petroleum product on the road that will be washed off during the winter monsoons?

From an ecological standpoint this seems like a bad idea.

Does anyone know if the DNV knows or cares?

[Wayne P]

Nobody cares about stuff like this. Its progress you freedom hater!

[SammyJ]

They've been doing that since forever. The amount of silt/oil that comes off that road does more to hurt the habitat of Fromme mountain than all us mountain bikers put together. Not to mention the runoff, as evidenced by the gaping maw of last year.

On another note, has anyone noticed how well the maw has been filled in? Can barely see it anymore...

[TheGiggler]

Someone (Grouse Mountain?) is busy spreading asphalt road griding on the gravel road.

Does it make sense to spread a petroleum product on the road that will be washed off during the winter monsoons?

From an ecological standpoint this seems like a bad idea.

Does anyone know if the DNV knows or cares?


does it really matter when they run their nasty diesel trucks up and down that road multiple times a day already? anywhere near mtn hiway is far from pristine.

[CraigH]

E. ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HAZARDS
The bitumen binder used in asphalt paving applications contains a relatively large concentration of a family of organic compounds which can have the potential to pose human health and environmental concerns in certain circumstances especially when asphalt material is ground into very small particles that easily blow off of or wash from the surface. These compounds, known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are specified as targeted pollutants by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), and are present in asphalt at much higher levels than the criteria established by DEP guidance for general use in a loose fashion on land. Asphalt millings used alone without a paved top surface have the potential to significantly migrate from the roadway through the actions of water, wind, and physical displacement and possibly contaminate surrounding soils and/or surface water sediments. Traffic traveling on the unpaved asphalt millings would generate dust containing the compounds referenced above and the dust would be a major migration route of the asphalt millings to the surrounding environment.

F. BENEFICIAL USE OF ASPHALT MILLINGS
Several uses of asphalt millings are fully appropriate in accordance with regulations for recycling and beneficial use and, therefore, asphalt millings may be used as follows below. The use of loose unbound asphalt millings on land and roadway surfaces without the placement of a paved top surface is not generally appropriate, and asphalt millings are not considered clean fill. In order to prevent sediment contamination, asphalt millings should not be used where runoff to surface water features would be possible. Asphalt millings may be used, provided the appropriate conditions are followed.


From http://www.state.nj.us/dep/dshw/rrtp/asphalt.htm

Spreading the loose material on a gravel road in a rain forest just doesn't seem like a good idea...

[SammyJ]

Mmmm, nice.

I am pretty sure this has been common practice for a while up there. I wonder is it really is asphalt millings, or if it is some other type of road bed material. I admit that I know very little when it comes to road construction...

[CraigH]

Anyone have any contacts with DNV's enivroment people to ask?

[wilkez]

i cant believe monica hasn't complained about this yet.

[Bobb]

i cant believe monica hasn't complained about this yet.

Monica has retired...yet again.
http://www.fonvca.org/letters/2008/14jul-to/Monica_Craver_19jul2008.pdf
I wonder how long this retirement will last?

[Knnn]

From http://www.state.nj.us/dep/dshw/rrtp/asphalt.htm

Spreading the loose material on a gravel road in a rain forest just doesn't seem like a good idea...

Anyone have any contacts with DNV's enivroment people to ask?

I was just about to blather on about PAHs etc and you saved me the trouble with a damn good information source.

Richard Boase (Environmental Officer)
http://www.dnv.org/article.asp?c=170&a=608

[shirk]

How many times had Monica "retired" from her fight?

Should we have a reirement party for her?

I had some great beer on the weekend from a local brewery and it would be perfect for such a party. (http://www.deadfrogbrewery.com/our-beer.html)

[synchro]

Anyone have any contacts with DNV's enivroment people to ask?

send a link of this thread to monica and i'm sure she'll take care of it for us.

[Bobb]

send a link of this thread to monica and i'm sure she'll take care of it for us.

And spoil her latest retirement?

[Knnn]

Yeah but the following are definately more hazardous to frogs than bikes, and the road run-off will definately end up in the pond, unlike said bikes, so ..... ban bikes right?

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/pahs/figures/figure1pah.jpg