CBC clear?

[Swoop]

Anyone ridden CBC yet this year? Last time I was up there a heafty amount of snow was still piled up in the woods. Is it clear yet?

[Sharon]

nope.

Still has snow on it.

[nouseforaname]

A line is clear if you want a super highway.

[Rooter]

CBC is still closed.

If you follow this thread :http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=103737
It will give you insight as to when the CBC trail is open.

The CBC CLOSED signs are still in place and when they are remove the above thread will advise you of that update.

[Stuminator]

Still crazy amounts of snow up the top of Seymour. Heard some dude named Mercer was attempting a double backflip up there last week. Dunno if he did it or not. I'll have to search. The Red Bull crew was up there to film.

[Marlowe]

Was up for a ski today. From the road it looked like CBC was clear but that does not mean that there is patchy snow once your in the bush.

I was surprised and disappointed by the number of riders poaching the trail. Bunch of impatient wankers.

[burke ryder]

Was surprised and disappointed by the number of riders poaching the trail. Bunch of impatient wankers.
We meet one of them at the bottom while we were loading up the bikes. The kid said it was his first time on the shore and his buddy left the keys to there car in there vehicle up top and needed a ride up (probably just 1 car). We got up to the mushroom lot and I started unloading my bike from my buds car and the kid was just sitting in the car. He said this doesent look like the parking lot, "there was snow at the lot were we parked". We asked him how CBC was. He said they just road down the road. Ya right. We left him in the mushroom lot.

[boot]

Due to massive blow down, CBC will remain closed for the entire summer.

[Sharon]

email
directors
at
nsmba.bc.ca

for an update.

Top of the trail looked clear and dry when I checked it out last week.

[Chainstay]

Due to massive blow down, CBC will remain closed for the entire summer.

Awe, please tell me this is fake... :crybaby: ive been waiting so patiently, now i have to wait even longer :(

[cam@nsmb.com]

While I haven't ridden CBC it sounds like it's in fabulous shape. Keeping the sign up longer than necessary just encourages poaching imho.

Time to pull it down and open 'er up methinks. Just in time for the rain to come tomorrow.

[heckler]

we're actually planning a mini trail evening this week to clear out the deadfall and dig out the drains.

I'll post up a date and time for you all to come help get'er done!

[Straya]

we're actually planning a mini trail evening this week to clear out the deadfall and dig out the drains.

I'll post up a date and time for you all to come help get'er done!

Sweet, I'm keen. Let us know and I'll be there.

[heckler]

So, the snow is finally gone, the trail's somewhat dried out at the top.

Before we can open CBC up for the spring :rolleyes: season, there is some work to be done, and we need your help to get it done quick.

For the most part, the drains need to be cleared out and a couple trees cut out, and there's a little rock work to be repaired. We've got the saw work covered.

Anyone that's poached the trail in the last couple weeks - come on out tomorrow evening and help out (don't make me name names... ;) )!

And a huge thanks to all of you who've been riding from the Mushroom lot for a long time! It'll be worth the wait, and we'd love your help.

It'll be a couple hours of easy work clearing out drains and debris off the trail.

We'll meet at 6 PM at Old Buck tomorrow, June 4, and hike down the trail from the top, with a shuttle (no bikes).


Please post up here if you're coming, so we know how many tools to dig out. Thanks!

come help out tomorrow!

[cam@nsmb.com]

Spread this around in different forum sections if you like Sven. Nice work getting this rolling.

[Ed von Schleck]

I'll be there for sure

wait a minute... get me a flight in the next couple of hours and I'll be there, that is :)

[heckler]

Trail's clear and the closed signs are down from the trailhead, and they'll be coming off the road real soon.

It's still pretty wet at the top though. Please don't ride it when is pouring rain. Thanks!

[biggles604]

Thanks to all that showed last night. We got a lot of work done in a couple of hours.
Spread some rep around: Heckler, DanB, Forest, Gotham, Chris2, Straya, Shirk, Stinky Rider7. I'm sure there are more, but I can't remember.

[heckler]

Brian, Alex, Amanda and the pipeline boys Greg & Slavek too! Thanks for helping!

[DanB]

Yeah the trail's looking great now... finally got around to getting some of the fallen trees out of the way, including this big eyesore:

http://www.danbarham.com/misc/cbc.jpg

The new ladder across the creek should be a much nicer line

[the Master Plan Dan]

Yeah the trail's looking great now... finally got around to getting some of the fallen trees out of the way, including this big eyesore:

http://www.danbarham.com/misc/cbc.jpg

The new ladder across the creek should be a much nicer line

Nooooo... leave it a gap! ;)

[forest]

I'm still tired from sawing through that damn thing. Shame we had to cut it out, but oh well, things change.

[chris2]

actually we needed to replace a couple of broken rungs nearby so this was the easiest way to get some rounds to split. You shouldn't need too much speed to clear the gap, just remember to pull up!!

[shoredad]

wow.. what happened there? why did you have to cut the millennium log?
that's a shame.. that was a nice log ride..


Yeah the trail's looking great now... finally got around to getting some of the fallen trees out of the way, including this big eyesore:

http://www.danbarham.com/misc/cbc.jpg

The new ladder across the creek should be a much nicer line

[Sharon]

Yeah the trail's looking great now... finally got around to getting some of the fallen trees out of the way, including this big eyesore:

http://www.danbarham.com/misc/cbc.jpg

The new ladder across the creek should be a much nicer line

Nice!

[gotham]

Dan, you got the pic of the new wallride (or should I say lack thereof?)...figuring as how no one can get up on top of it anyway a bunch of useless woodwork was removed and put down on Pinchflat alley across the creek.

[chris2]

wow.. what happened there? why did you have to cut the millennium log?
that's a shame.. that was a nice log ride..

If we had more people come out to help we probably could have found a way to avoid having to cut it.... but you know, limited resources & time to get the trail open to the shuttling masses!

[LeeLau]

I felt bad about having to cut the log. To make up for it chris replanted some ferns around the gerbil cage

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/0/2/0/5/Image011.jpg

[heckler]

wow.. what happened there? why did you have to cut the millennium log?
that's a shame.. that was a nice log ride..

there was so much snow load from the awesome winter season, that the millenium log collapsed in the centre. It was kind of like when your leg gets gangrene - you've gotta cut it off.

I'm kind of sad about the whole thing.

[chris2]

I felt bad about having to cut the log. To make up for it chris replanted some ferns around the gerbil cage

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/0/2/0/5/Image011.jpg

yup, and pressure washed the old rungs on the ladder ramps and slopped on some Thompson's water seal. Shouldn't leach too far into the ground...

[Sharon]

there was so much snow load from the awesome winter season, that the millenium log collapsed in the centre. It was kind of like when your leg gets gangrene - you've gotta cut it off.

I'm kind of sad about the whole thing.

Should have just closed the trail!

[Tonestar]

Wow, that gap was crazy, you need a lot of speed and then you just rip in with a giant J-hop. It'll be really tough when it's wet.
:crazy:

[jcole]

So what is in it's place, or what are the plans ?

[Tonestar]

So what is in it's place, or what are the plans ?
I'm not sure what the plans are, but it's an awfully big gap in a huge log. Just wait until you see it in person, the pictures don't do it justice.

[Ducati]

Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done. So we're going to cut the whole thing out and use it for material in other areas of the trail. Right now the replacement plan is to put a low level, no risk, wide ass, board walk in. It's not really what we want to do but with so few volunteers helping out we don't really have a choice.

[big-ted]

I know this is going to upset some people but...


I wont give the game away by ruining your little giggle, but you guys realise that it's this form of elitist, cliquey snobbery that keeps people away from traildays, right?

[heckler]

http://nsmba.bc.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=36&Itemid=46

I'm going to beg to differ ted. Last year we (collectively) put 5764 hours of work into the shore, with 60 to 100 people coming to each trail day.

I would like to figure out how to motivate more people to help out on thier own time though, and I'm sure the 15 people that helped open up CBC are pretty happy they showed up and know the truth. I think it's a damned fine job of photoshop.

[jcole]

Well played.

[big-ted]

[url]
I'm going to beg to differ ted. Last year we (collectively) put 5764 hours of work into the shore, with 60 to 100 people coming to each trail day.

And just in case there's any misunderstanding, let me make it clear that I was one of them. However, the "holier than thou" attitude displayed by some of the trail builders on here is a little much for some to stomach at times. This thread was a prime example.

I think it's a damned fine job of photoshop.

Damn right.

[Darklord]

Big Ted hits the nail right on the head..

At last someone tells it like it is...

[TheGiggler]

waahhh waaah

[shirk]

You guys are really such Sally's that some light hearted joke on the internet keeps you from coming to a trail day?

If you've been to a trail day you 'll know there is no elitist attitude. It's people getting down in the dirt to make the trails better.

[Ducati]

I wont give the game away by ruining your little giggle, but you guys realise that it's this form of elitist, cliquey snobbery that keeps people away from traildays, right?

Grow a sense of humor.

People avoid trail days not because of some perceived internet attitude, but because they would rather do something else that's more fun.

Every trail day that I've ever been to the attitude is cheery, and supportive with a sense of community. It's hard work but they're fun. You come out of it with beaming with pride and a feeling that you made the shore a better place for everyone.

Does anyone know of a person that doesn't come out to traildays because e-attitude's?

[DARTHYOGA]

Grow a sense of humor.

People avoid trail days not because of some perceived internet attitude, but because they would rather do something else that's more fun.

Every trail day that I've ever been to the attitude is cheery, and supportive with a sense of community. It's hard work but they're fun. You come out of it with beaming with pride and a feeling that you made the shore a better place for everyone.

Does anyone know of a person that doesn't come out to traildays because e-attitude's?

I've met people at traildays that change my e-attitude about them!

[Fluid]

I have never come across any type of attitude at traildays from anyone. Everyone's there to put into the trails, not to grow their ego. And the sense of accomplishment and community at the traildays is second to none.

I think it's just hard for those who try to get volunteers out to understand why a call for help to open what's considered one of the most popular trails on the Shore would result in practically no replies and only a handful of people, when people will come out in droves to ride the trail and ask repeatedly when it will be open again...

[Darklord]

I think Big Ted's post refers to the "e-attitude" rather than the actual human persona revealed at trail days :)

I'll share his point (if I've got it correct) that NSMBA seems a bit cliquey these days...

[Fluid]

I think Big Ted's post refers to the "e-attitude" rather than the actual human persona revealed at trail days :)


Exactly - which is why I wanted to share my experiences with what it's like to actually go to the traildays. I find it really hard to believe that people are actually avoiding traildays because of a few people on the internet when there are also glowing reviews from non-trailbuilders after every single trailday of what a positive experience it is.

Plus, the fact that so many people in real life are not at all how they seem on 'teh internetz'. There are a lot of people on the boards that come across less than stellar but I reserve my judgement on them until after I've met them in real life. Also, it's so easy to misinterpret and read into things on the internet. I guess that's how a tongue in cheek joke can be perceived as e-attitude.

[shirk]

I'll share his point (if I've got it correct) that NSMBA seems a bit cliquey these days...

Please explain further.

[Darklord]

my 2 cents..

It's prob just my perception, and maybe Big Ted's, and a few others I know...but over the last year or so it seems that the NSMBA upper echelons :) and friends, have become distanced from the rest of us mere mortals..

It seems that there's a definate "best friends" mentality going on, which I'm sure is cool for the gang...but hard for others to understand, or break into..

NSMB/NSMBA it's like church and state :)

But hey...what do I know....I ride everywhere, and live in P-Ton now :)

[Straya]

It seems that there's a definate "best friends" mentality going on, which I'm sure it cool for the gang...but hard for others to understand, or break into..



Well what you say is kind of true. There is a bunch of people that do most of the work and, possibly through a touch of a seige mentality, they are close friends and get on well together. Its not a deliberate exclusion thing, just that since only a few people ever put their hand up to help, they just deal with the same few people all the time and perhaps this shows up a bit occasionally with what you are describing in this thread.

But I completely disagree with the hard to break into thing, if you show that you are keen to get involved and help out the NSMBA trail people will welcome you with open arms. I personally lobbed into Canada 12 months ago and didn't know a single soul. Because I showed I was keen to help and turned up to a heap of trail days and got my face known I now know a heap of people and get on really well with them. Any person who shows a willingness to help (especially behind the scenes and beyond the scope of normal trail day volunteering) will find that they will be initiated into the stonecutters pretty damn quick :).

[Darklord]

posts disappearing???...

[shirk]

DaveM seems to have changed his opinions.

[heckler]

so, who came out the NSMBA members meetings that we were holding last year on a bimonthly basis?

[DaveM]

DaveM seems to have changed his opinions.


or just decided not to bother.

[Darklord]

I'll bite :)...it's a slow day

Sven..Presumably no-one, as they aren't being held this year?

[shirk]

or just decided not to bother.

ah I see.

[pete@nsmb.com]

NSMB/NSMBA it's like church and state :)


Interesting t-shirt idea...

[Sharon]

so, who came out the NSMBA members meetings that we were holding last year on a bimonthly basis?

bi monthly as in every two months?

do you have a link to the minutes for the meetings so everyone can get caught up on what the nsmba has been doing?

I think that would help people understand what's been going on even if they can't make the meetings.

[heckler]

I'm gonna go build something in the woods now.

over and out.

[DaveM]

Rest assured, this is an "internet bulletin board" phenomenon, and not exclusive to north shore mountain biking.
.

It's unfortunate that this "internet bulletin board" is likely the largest form of information/advertising media for the NSMBA and sometimes opinions are formed based on comments and posts.

What is really unfortunate about that is that I've yet to meet anyone affiliated with the NSMBA that isn't totally stoked on having fun and working hard to ensure there are trails for the masses to ride.

[big-ted]

Nice to see this flared up once everyone got in front of their work computers! :)

Firstly, my comments certainly do not apply to the NSMBA as a body. My experiences at trail days, Rippers, and other events have been the same as others in that the atmosphere and company has always been superb and great fun. I am referring more to the comments of certain trail builders on this board, who often take shots at the lack of help received, yet then proceed to mock the riding majority in threads such as this. Yes, I realise it's a joke, but when people walk around as though they have more right to the trails than others is it any wonder that some animosity is felt? And yes, if my conversation with various riders, and the feedback I've received via private communication in relation to this thread is anything to go by, this attitude does indeed put people off coming to traildays.

Further, it was also the case last year that CBC remained officially closed for a couple of weeks after it was clear of snow (yes, I rode it before the "official" opening whilst stopping to clear the bits of loose deadfall this year, and after being given the all clear from Jeremy last year) yet several prominent trail builders proceeded to ride it, whilst handing out abuse for similar behavior on these boards.

Darklord, I think it's to be expected that the NSMBA itself is a little cliquey. It's a small organisation, the members of which put in a lot of hours together. It's somewhat inevitable. Just to reiterate though, traildays have always been fantastic, and I think the NSMBA do an excellent job of organising and promoting them to all concerned.

I think I too am going to try and duck out of this thread from now. Hopefully my comments can be mulled over by those they pertain to.

[TheGiggler]

just as you guys may have some valid points, perhaps you could try to see the other side as well.

the core vollies have a shit ton of hard thankless work to do, and if they want to vent a little bit or post a joke then maybe you could try to accommodate that as well.

these posters are not representing the official NSMBA line, nor do i really believe any significant number of people would decide not to come out to a trail day based on this. most people are smart enough to see a joke or sarcasm when they see it.

[walleater]

Further, it was also the case last year that CBC remained officially closed for a couple of weeks after it was clear of snow (yes, I rode it before the "official" opening whilst stopping to clear the bits of loose deadfall this year, and after being given the all clear from Jeremy last year) yet several prominent trail builders proceeded to ride it, whilst handing out abuse for similar behavior on these boards.



If this was work related, surely it would just be a perk of the job? These guys put all the work into building the trails so why shouldn't they ride the trails when they want? I don't see the issue.

[Lady Gravity]

If this was work related, surely it would just be a perk of the job? These guys put all the work into building the trails so why shouldn't they ride the trails when they want? I don't see the issue.

i think he was just posting more about the irony of "do as i say, not as i do".

and i know of at least one person that got sucked in by the pic :P

[Dude]

Personally, I tend to give the builders 100% free reign to post just about anything they want on the intrawebz because:

A) They build the trails I like to ride.
B) I do very little to help them

I won’t hide from it…I do very little. I get in about 2-3 days a year at my local BMX track, which I drag Mini Dude down to. We’ve been MEANING to get to a NSMBA trail day this year, but busy family life always seems to get in the way. I send a little bit of cash every year, but in no way is it equivalent to the average 50 some-odd man hours put in per volunteer last year. 50. On AVERAGE. I’m sure some make that total look like chump change.

So, for me, they can be a cliquey as they goddamn well please. Again, they build and maintain the trails I like to ride. Full stop.

[ChunkyMonkey]

So, its it open or what? I've got new brakes that need bedding in and testing. A coulple of nice skids down CBC always does the trick.

[heckler]

just watch out for the gap in the log ride monkey! Make sure to leave some rubber on the downramps too!

[Sharon]

Don't forget to braid around the rock work. That's what its there for.

[TheGiggler]

stop that right now! you're gonna deter anyone from coming out to trail days. haven't you learned anything in this thread :rolleyes:

[chris2]

Don't forget to braid around the rock work. That's what its there for.

I'm pretty sure all the rockwork on CBC has been photo-shopped in - you're actually riding sweet virgin loam.

[iWish]

Holy shit... so is CBC ok to ride? Probably heading up tonight and would like to know.

PS. NMSBSMAMSN and NSMBMSNBSBS are rad... both of these orgs f'n kick some serious motha f'n poopshoots. Traildays, rippers, advocacy, info, education, these boards, community, etc, etc... if they didn't do it would you? If some of the builders have an opinion that happens to represent the facts... who the Capital F are you to say shite about it. Cliquey?? Because you haven't grown the F'n balls to actually contact any of these people and include YOURSELF in anything and then complain about it, makes you look like a serious gumby. Get some friends and make you own clique.

Usually when I come across threads that have turned into retarded giberish like this, I click the other way, but I felt like this needed to be said. And I'm getting hungy... I get kinda grumpy when I get hungry. Probably shouldn't have posted this... never troll boards on an empty stomach!

Anyway, I'm going riding... and getting something to eat... peace homey.

[heckler]

CBC is fantabulously good to go! Give'r!

and thanks for showing the other side of the coin. It's nice to hear more than bitchin

[chris2]

CBC is fantabulously good to go! Give'r!


you mean the wood from the millenium log WASN'T used to build the exclusive builders resort off the side of the trail?

ps - can you throw 2 more bottles of Cristal under the carved ice Swan sculpture so they're cold when I get there for the bikini model hot tub party? :martini:

[shirk]

you mean the wood from the millenium log WASN'T used to build the exclusive builders resort off the side of the trail?

ps - can you throw 2 more bottles of Cristal under the carved ice Swan sculpture so they're cold when I get there for the bikini model hot tub party? :martini:

Yeah thats right bitches living the life of the upper echelon.

[heckler]

shhhh....

[LeeLau]

This is so ridiculous. There's lots of cliques out there. I'll ride trails and ski terrain that no-one except close friends will hear about. You won't hear anyone whingeing about my cliques. The dedicated core group of NSMBA volunteers get called out for being a clique because they happen to post on nsmb.com? Ridiculous.

Next someone will be calling out the Woodlot builders for being a bunch of infantile egomaniacal control freaks EDIT - who like to build big gap jumps but don't want anyone's help EDIT - oh never mind...,,.

[Dude]

It's kind of soft, isn't it? Honestly, why should anyone care? Why should that hurt someones feelings?

Like Lee said, cliques are everywhere. It is natural. To complain about it, about not being involved in the "inner circle", is very weak. Shows an alarming degree of low self esteem.

[Robot]

Next someone will be calling out the Woodlot builders for being a bunch of infantile egomaniacal control freaks EDIT - who like to build big gap jumps but don't want anyone's help EDIT - oh never mind...,,.

You pretty much need a serious crash to be considered for building at the Woodlot. Broken neck, legs, pelvis, that kind of thing. Nobody else need apply because 'the others' aren't rad enough and aren't worth talking to.

We've tried to be civil out here BUT it's just not worth our while. Now, we leave the over-polite, pc attitudes to the elitists in North Van.

What have you done for me lately?

[LeeLau]

Robot. Did chris, jamie and bill set that precedent? oops... there i go name-dropping again, just to establish my old-school clique credentials

[Robot]

Robot. Did chris, jamie and bill set that precedent? oops... there i go name-dropping again, just to establish my old-school clique credentials

bill was always pretty friendly on the hill. chris had a reputation for being grumpy (ha ha ha). i'm not really sure where the expectation for being hard cases came from? probably from watching countless squids riding by without ever offering to help. oh, or maybe shutting down crap trails. oh, oh, oh, or maybe it's from seeing the same people at every trail day (you know, clique members).

all i know is that the trails out here in the valley maintain themselves, so cliques are irrelevant and surliness is the order of the day. i don't know why you guys in NV aren't on that program, although it's probably because you don't know the right people.

[shirk]

surliness is the order of the day.

New words to live by.

[RossputiN]

Not to get this thread back on track or anything, but can someone remind me where to park the pu vehicle when riding CBC? I can never remember if it's at Superstore or Park Gate? Thanks.

[heckler]

CBC - Neds = Superstore
CBC - Corkscrew - Pingu - Pangor = Parkgate

[RossputiN]

Thanks dood!

[Supercrash]

Anyone ridden CBC yesterday/today?? Thursday/Friday July 04/08
Raining/wet-n-slippery or dry/dusty-n-fast??



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Tell us, now, how and when
We may find the bravest men?
A sure test, an easy test
Those that drink beer are best!

[gotham]

It was nice and buffed last night..

[ERregular]

A bit dusty lower down the hill though.

[Straya]

Anyone ridden CBC yesterday/today?? Thursday/Friday July 04/08
Raining/wet-n-slippery or dry/dusty-n-fast??



Just did a couple of laps. Very nice. Tiny bit damp and 2-3 small puddles but really its looking good. The bits that got buffed up on the trailday were super sweet.

[derekt]

cbc was nice and dry and fast yesterday

[wa90]

Probably not too dusty any more.

[heckler]

probably dusty again...

[wa90]

Swings and roundabouts. I think long term, it's best to assume it'll be wet and take anything else as a bonus.

:)

[walleater]

Swings and roundabouts. I think long term, it's best to assume it'll be wet and take anything else as a bonus.

:)

Don't mention roundabouts to Canadians. They'll be crashing all over the place! :D

[wa90]

There's only Aussies, Brits and a lonely Swiss or two on the Shore these days.