question about custom boot liners

[Mr. Charles]

what do you guys use? Surefoot any good? Would you suggest surefoot or the Intuition liners? peace

resons for interest in new liners:

1. I am getting heel-lift. Lots. it's to the point where i physically notice it while i'm actually skiing. like not just while i'm standing in line.
2. My liners are packed in, but i love my shells.
3. i want my boots to fit tighter over all.

[trouble]

I have intuitions and like them a lot. They are much cheaper than injection foam such as surefoot. Also a lot warmer and lighter weight. Possibly not quite as tight fitting though.

[forest]

I don't have them myself but I know quite a few people that swear by intuitions.

[bcbud]

I have had Surefoot footbeds for 8 years and they rule, make the boot way more sensitive, not too sure about their custom jobs though.....

[XXX_er]

I been in riachle thermo fits for almost 10 years ,had em 1st in my alpine ski boots and then remolded them to my tele boots.

A heat molded liner DOES NOT take up extra volume in a boot shell in fact you wana pick a shell on the small size and then mold a liner to it ,or buy a boot that comes stock with liners and be sure to get the right shell size .

My 2001 t-1's which were the right size with a stock liner are now on the big side (probably < 2 finger widths between heel & shell at rear of boot )when I remolded the riachle liner to them , I could have got the next size smaller shell for a really sporty fit ,instead the fit is slightly sloppy & VERY comfy... BUT, I really don't know that I wana go too small of a shell on a tele-boot with a bellows flexing over the toes

SO ,the real question to ask is are you sure your shells arent TOO big to work well with an intuition or riachle liner ??

I just got a new pair of garmont xena AT boots with the g3 moldable liner , basicly the fit on this UNMOLDED liner is SOOOO tight you can't wear them for more than a minute or so .You get right shell size by standing in a empty liner with your bare foot touching the front of the boot and the fitter goes for about 1 finger width between the heel and the liner at the back ,the fitter sez ya this is the boot and you just gotta trust them ...the fitter told me she didnt believe this would work either the 1st time she tried them . The fitter recommended double toe caps ( caps that slip over your toes to give extra room in the molding process) ,the liner goes in the heating device which could be a convection oven or some kind of heating device made by a boot mfgers, you can even do them yourself in your home oven but I recommend going to a dealer .You put the boot on and do the buckles lightly ,stand there for 15min and you got the perfect fit.I got 15% off on mine cuz the boot had been fitted to someone with smaller feet and they just didnt work out ,so I coulda paid full pop or gone with an unused boot that had been molded twice (they can be remolded 5 or 6 times)


MOST snowboard boots come with thermo fits of some kind so if you could find a used boot from a bud you could scam the liners

but you gotta have the right sized shell to begin with ... which is on the smaller side

you can get those sole foot beds (a ryan leach sponsor ) for cheap at < 40$ , I used em in my old alpines and i swapped em into my new garmonts

I don't really know anything about foam injected boots but if you need to take up alot of room that might be the way to do it IF you can pump more foam in there but honestly I am talking outa my ass on foam injection