Okay now I am getting DAMN stoked for snow to arrive.

[shirk]

UbqvpchQCpY

mattj "So you getting excited for winter yet?"
me "No I am trying not to get excited yet, it's still a couple months away. My mind will turn to mush if I start getting excited mid September."

forest "You stoked to get back on snow?"
me "Naw not yet, still digging the bike."

Okay until I saw the Seb Michaud clip I wasn't thinking snow. Now I am jonesing like a crack head for my next fix. BRING ON THE SNOW.

[heckler]

the peak was 0 degC yesterday at 2 PM if that helps.

[forest]

fak, the skiing dreams have started. Such a let down when you walk outside in the morning and see only green.

Seb Michaud's section in Respect is some of the biggest, big mountain skiing I've ever seen, that guy rips in really scary places.

[the Master Plan Dan]

It snowed (well flurried) at Roundhouse last night.

[stinky_rider7]

It's -4C at the peak right now :woot: and there's some white stuff on the ground :D :clap: (even a bit of white at Roundhouse)

[Marvel]

Time to get my skins. The last piece and then I'm pretty much set :)

My hope of skiing in October is looking like a reality.

[Jaysin]

Snow at Silverstar and Big White(out)!!!

[forest]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/360736138_1997c345e7.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/366060070_b52d734672.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/411615518_ff24c15c07.jpg

its coming

[LeeLau]

so jon - hike up to brohm ridge?

[paul]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/raidthekitchen/snow07.jpg

[Dropsonde]

/gets boots down from attic

I've been craving snow for a month now

[XXX_er]

my roomy the climatologist tells me that while last season was big time snow which was predicted,they have already predicted this year is gona suck ... the el ninio/la nina thing

[Ozibatla]

my roomy the climatologist tells me that while last season was big time snow which was predicted,they have already predicted this year is gona suck ... the el ninio/la nina thing

Thems are fightin words bro!!

[Dropsonde]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/raidthekitchen/snow07.jpg

When was this?

[Kyle "No Way" Wilcox]

So that's what Freeride Entertainment does in the winter

[Marlowe]

my roomy the climatologist tells me that while last season was big time snow which was predicted,they have already predicted this year is gona suck ... the el ninio/la nina thing

I have heard the opposite, that this season is a La Nina year which should mean a good amount of snow. But how often are climatologists right?

[Swampy]

Time to get my skins. The last piece and then I'm pretty much set :)

My hope of skiing in October is looking like a reality.

speaking of skins, does anyone have any recommendations? :) I have to get a set too....

[mattj]

I was gonna get these (https://www.climbingskinsdirect.com/).

Looks like a good product with good attachment points and the price is great too. Anyone have any feedback for this?

That I need to grab a couple sets of trekkers. Anyone selling cheap?


-m

[heckler]

my roomy the climatologist tells me that while last season was big time snow which was predicted,they have already predicted this year is gona suck ... the el ninio/la nina thing

as much as them's fightin' words, I hate to have to agree.

I've been tracking the general snow patterns for the last 6 year, and it's been good year, bad year, good year, bad year....

Here's hoping I'm wrong, cuz last year was f'in A!

[beer_girl]

I have heard the opposite, that this season is a La Nina year which should mean a good amount of snow. But how often are climatologists right?

The farmer's almanac is calling for mild and dry for the coast area. I think the Interior and Kootenays should be ok though.

[gooch]

almanac

Winter will be milder than normal, on average, with the coldest periods in mid-December and early and mid-January. Precipitation and snowfall will be below normal near the coast and above normal elsewhere. The most widespread snowstorms will occur in late December, late January, and late March.

April and May will each be slightly warmer and drier than normal, on average.

Summer temperatures will be above normal, on average, with the hottest periods in late June, mid-July, and early August. Rainfall will be below normal near the coast and near normal in the interior.

September and October will bring above-normal temperatures and precipitation.

[newgirl]

damn am I glad my brother moved to the Kooteneys.....Red Mountain here i come!!!

[Uncle Duke]

The farmer's almanac is calling for mild and dry for the coast area. .



sweet music to my ears.

[paul]

as much as them's fightin' words, I hate to have to agree.

I've been tracking the general snow patterns for the last 6 year, and it's been good year, bad year, good year, bad year....

Here's hoping I'm wrong, cuz last year was f'in A!

wasn't the year before last a good snow year as well? November 5th opening and skiing well into may.

I remember about October last year the news stations in Vancouver had reports warning of a very mild winter and that the ski resorts would suffer. The predictions were way off then so why should I believe them now?

I'll ski it when I see it.

[paul]

When was this?

Sept 19 2007 8:45am

Swampy;

I'm using the black diamond Ascension skins. Last year was my first season doing the AT thing but I have no beefs with the product. The glue lasted, the clips held well even on my rounded twins and the skins were easy to trim to size with good instructions and a template. Get them at MEC for the best price.

[forest]

you are all pissing ullr off with that pessimistic bs. I suggest an attonment of STFU and offerings to get back in his good books.

[bowen rocks]

i can't wait for skiing, only skied real powder twice and i am sooooooo stoked for this year, sad that grouse never get powder tho :(

[robholio]

i can't wait for skiing, only skied real powder twice and i am sooooooo stoked for this year, sad that grouse never get powder tho :(

Come down to Washington and ride Mount Baker or Mount Bachelor here in Oregon once the season gets rolling.

Powder you will find.

[Swampy]

Thanks Paul... appreciate the recommendation. :)

[kalisto]

I was gonna get these (https://www.climbingskinsdirect.com/).

Looks like a good product with good attachment points and the price is great too. Anyone have any feedback for this?

That I need to grab a couple sets of trekkers. Anyone selling cheap?


-m


I got a set of G3's last year... Can't go wrong...

Instead of trekkers, you should look at the Marker Duke's... I've heard good things?

That said, this IS the first year for the binding...

[norona]

G3 are the way to go and get freeride x as the markers are nice, used them but heavy. There is powder on Grouse but it is in the morning on special weekdays. Buy a sled and get pow all yearhttp://bb.nsmb.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4532&stc=1&d=1190390553

4532

[XXX_er]

its not gona be like last year but the weather is free so why sweat it ?

I am measuring /killing trees and I am gona use the money to pull the trigger on a pair of garmont Xena's no matter what the weather

[forest]

I've got nothing but good things to say about the Black diamond skins. I've tested them in all conditions and they hold up well. These were on they're second year and are good to go this year.
http://www.leelau.net/2007/mcbride0704/day3/13IMG_0231moreslides.jpg
http://www.leelau.net/2007/mcbride0704/day3/18IMG_0239toothpicksslidealder.jpg
http://www.leelau.net/2007/mcbride0704/day3/25isoscelescastletowerscreekpano.jpg
I'd recommed getting the extra thick ones incase you have to skin over less than perfect snow (they save your bases)

although the G3s worked pretty well too, and more glide. Will have to ask Lee about long term conditions.
http://www.leelau.net/2007/mcbride0704/day3/20IMGP0676fukittheressnow.jpg
http://www.leelau.net/2007/mcbride0704/day3/24IMGP0689waterskis.jpg

VIVE L'HIVER

[XXX_er]

everything I have seen on skins has the G3 and ascension about equal altho the glidelites are not quite as bomber ... probably cuz they are made lighter

http://www.bdel.com/gear/skins_overview.php

[mattj]

I got a set of G3's last year... Can't go wrong...

Instead of trekkers, you should look at the Marker Duke's... I've heard good things?

That said, this IS the first year for the binding...

This is the same place I was one year ago. Helena and I have perfect alpine bindings. There is no doubt that her next set of bindings will be touring bindings, and for me, well, I like the park and such so I have to ski on alpine gear. Long story short, we need Trekkers for this winter...


-m

[gooch]

you are all pissing ullr off with that pessimistic bs. I suggest an attonment of STFU and offerings to get back in his good books.

We all know burning a big pile of skis is the only way to appease Ullr

[shirk]

I had Black Diamond skins the season before last and then G3 last season.

It seemed that the Black Diamond had better grip on all conditions of skin tracks. The G3's seemed to slip more often. Every slipped step is a real pain in the arse in my book. Especially at the end of a long slog in crummy conditions.

I won't be on G3's this year. It will most likely be the Climbingskinsdirect.com ones.

[m-rock]

That's a really rowdy vid of Seb Michaud, that guy absolutely hauls ass. So stoked. The new MSP film is premiereing this wednesday at the caprice. Afterparty to follow. It's gonna be a great film I think, good cast of skiers. www.mspfilms.com

As for skins, I use the BD ascension skins. Been great so far, wish I saw that climbingskinsdirect thing though before I bought mine.

Get stoked for winter!!!

[mattj]

I had Black Diamond skins the season before last and then G3 last season.

It seemed that the Black Diamond had better grip on all conditions of skin tracks. The G3's seemed to slip more often. Every slipped step is a real pain in the arse in my book. Especially at the end of a long slog in crummy conditions.

I won't be on G3's this year. It will most likely be the Climbingskinsdirect.com ones.



Burrr let's order together I'm getting 2 pairs probably...


-m

[TheGiggler]

you are all pissing ullr off with that pessimistic bs. I suggest an attonment of STFU and offerings to get back in his good books.

QFT

[Joe Dick]

I'm not too happy with the glue on the G3s. maybe it's just me. but if your doing multiple laps then you have to be very carful with them. what ever glue is used on the Volie Tractor skins works much better and it's easy enough to re glue them. the skins them selves I have no problem with.

[XXX_er]

http://www.telemarktips.com/SkinRev.html

its a few years old but heres a skin review

I thot they had all worked out their glue probs ,I got both g3 and some older ascensions both the pink and the black BUT if it comes down to acension or G3 i would pick which ever I could get a deal on ... my last pair were G3 cuz I got 50$ off

I like the G3 tail kit and I retro fit it to some older ascensions ,some clip fix I used I found I had to adjust a couple of times to get a good fit

[phat-phur-knee]

I used Montanas for years until I switched because I needed wider skins to match my most recent touring skis, so now I'm on Black Diamonds. I like the BD's but I'm tellin' you the Montanas gripped better and they were only 66mm wide! Haven't tried the G3's so can't offer any advice on those, but everything I've read in this thread about G3 vs BD, I've heard before.

[LeeLau]

This is the same place I was one year ago. Helena and I have perfect alpine bindings. There is no doubt that her next set of bindings will be touring bindings, and for me, well, I like the park and such so I have to ski on alpine gear. Long story short, we need Trekkers for this winter...


-m


matt - http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23203 - alpine trekkers.

also keep checking www.outdoorgearswap.com every now and then

[Cheesestoff]

wheres that clip from? reminds me of some of the free radical movies, minus the soundtrack.

sooo stoked for snow now, was supposed to be in ottawa til xmas, but couldn't find work, so only staying til end of oct!!!
november turns here i come!

[243_ht]

I may more may not be wearing my goggles on my head right now. I have my new burton cartels (which look sick this year) just sitting on my coffee table right now, and my snowboard is lying on the floor, which i may or may not have done nose presses on. I am so stoked.

[shirk]

wheres that clip from? reminds me of some of the free radical movies, minus the soundtrack.

sooo stoked for snow now, was supposed to be in ottawa til xmas, but couldn't find work, so only staying til end of oct!!!
november turns here i come!

I'd think most of it is Free Radical footage. I think the only North America flick with any Seb footage is Wink stuff.

I think you'e be happy that the Ottawa thing fell apart. Lilloett vs Ottawa not a hard desicion in my eyes :)

[.max]

Talking of movies:

http://lx.com/drinks/2007/04/20/tribeca-film-festival-special-steep

STEEP will be at VIFF

[paul]

Talking of movies:

http://lx.com/drinks/2007/04/20/tribeca-film-festival-special-steep

STEEP will be at VIFF

I'm interested and at the same time sceptical about this movie. There's a small writeup in the latest powder mag about it. It describes that the original producers had to hand over the production in the later stages to the "large production company" who handles the final product (perhaps to two uninspired people sipping water in this interview).

Apparently a lot of the footage is from MSP films of past as there wasn't enough fresh footage to make a whole movie.

I thought about checking it out at the VIFF but I think I'd rather see the MSP screening tonight and check out something else at the festival.

EDIT: I just checked the article in powder and it ways that Bill Kerig sold the storyline to Tom Yellin of the Documentary group in 2004.

[paul]

The Seven Sunny Days Vancouver premier last night was great. I really enjoyed the film itself and it was cool to see so many people come out. The floor of the Caprice was litterally covered with people watching.

The MSP movies definatly have a formula, but it's a formula that works.There was sick skiing throughout SSD, but I really liked Abma's segment, eric hjorleifson's part, the India footage and CR Johnson's story. It was really hard to hear the movie in the Caprice so I'm excited to own this DVD so I can hear what the athletes are saying.

The camerawork is great in this movie, lots of headcams in the park and on Mike D in the Backcountry.

Too bad Rory was out early with an injury, I was really looking forward to his segment after last year's.

This film set a high standard this year. I wonder if Teton Gravity can rise to the challenge.

[dawnchairy]

Speaking of Free Radicals, I have a Euro dvd of numbers 1 to 3 that I need transferred into a North American format. Does anyone know where I can go to get this done?

[Marlowe]

Speaking of Free Radicals, I have a Euro dvd of numbers 1 to 3 that I need transferred into a North American format. Does anyone know where I can go to get this done?

Are you on the North Shore?

[kalisto]

The Seven Sunny Days Vancouver premier last night was great. I really enjoyed the film itself and it was cool to see so many people come out. The floor of the Caprice was litterally covered with people watching.

The MSP movies definatly have a formula, but it's a formula that works.There was sick skiing throughout SSD, but I really liked Abma's segment, eric hjorleifson's part, the India footage and CR Johnson's story. It was really hard to hear the movie in the Caprice so I'm excited to own this DVD so I can hear what the athletes are saying.

The camerawork is great in this movie, lots of headcams in the park and on Mike D in the Backcountry.

Too bad Rory was out early with an injury, I was really looking forward to his segment after last year's.

This film set a high standard this year. I wonder if Teton Gravity can rise to the challenge.

I saw it up in Whistler, which actually was a lot better then I thought it would be. Pretty loud/clear sound, outdoor seating, and a whole crew of people.

CR Johnson's segment, the Norway BASE jumping scene, and the 007 knock-off were all great. This movie was surprisingly entertaining (not just for it's badass skiing).

I'm sure TGR will kick ass nonetheless.

[FlipFantasia]

too many slowmo jumps......but that's just me I guess.....the big mountain stuff slayed.......


I'm officially in the 'bring on winter' camp.....time to put this CF of a summer behind and shred some pow!

[TylerDurden]

Was cool to see Bralorne in the MSP film..gnar gnar stuff for sure. Abma really impressed with some super solid skiing - you can just tells that guys gets out a lot.

[Cheesestoff]

i was talking to some guys who live up in Bralorne, apparently MSP wants to go back there for a month next year instead of just the week they put in this year

[Cooper]

I saw the TGR premier tonight. It was so great!
Everyone's parts were very good.
I am officially stoked for winter and seeing all the fresh snow way up on the tops of blackcomb every morning makes me want it soon.

[Jaysin]

pic from silverstar today
http://www.skisilverstar.com/images/gallery/full_gallery_070928150053sT.jpg

[m-rock]

MSP film was awesome, looking forward to seeing the TGR flick.

Anybody out there have any info on whether Wink is making another film this year? I loved the waiting game, and respect. REALLY good movies. I really hope they're putting out another this year, just haven't heard about it yet.

-Mike

[Dropsonde]

check the whistler cams

[The Ultimate Hack]

Alpine Recreation Forecast For The South Coast Mountains Issued By Environment Canada At 2 Pm Pdt Sunday 30 September 2007.
The Next Mountain Forecast Will Be Issued At 5 Am Monday.

Synopsis.. The Strong Front That Is Giving Heavy Rain Or Alpine Snow To The Area Will Move Southeast Of The Region This Evening Leaving Cooler Air And Periods Of Snow In Its Wake Tonight. Another Front Will Approach The Region Monday Afternoon.

Whistler - Blackcomb.
Tonight..Periods Of Snow.
Alpine Temperature Steady Near Minus 1.
Snowfall Accumulation 4 To 8 Cm.
Freezing Level 1500 Metres.
Mountain Top Winds South 30 Km/H.
Monday..Cloudy. 60 Percent Chance Of Flurries In The Morning. Snow Developing In The Afternoon.
Alpine Temperature Steady Near Zero.
Snowfall Accumulation 5 To 10 Cm.
Freezing Level 1700 Metres.
Mountain Top Winds Southwest 15 Km/H.

5 Day Trend.. A Very Strong Westerly Flow Off The Pacific Will Allow A Series Of Systems To Rapidly Move Over The Region Until Thursday.

Tuesday.. Snow.
Snowfall Accumulation 15 To 25 Cm.
Freezing Level 1500 Metres.
Wednesday.. Snow.
Snowfall Accumulation 10 To 15 Cm.
Freezing Level 1200 Metres.
Thursday.. Flurries.
Snowfall Accumulation 5 To 10 Cm.
Freezing Level 1000 Metres.

Glacier poaching anyone?

Kicking Horse:
Current temp -5, 84cm expected in the next week

[Cooper]

It snowed all the way down to fitz today 3cm. melted by now, but sproatt was covered this morning. I'm so stoked.

[m-rock]

Holy shit!! that forecast is something you even see in the middle of winter, or lik ein March and such. Freezing level down to 1000m in EARLY October!!?? Plus the amount of precip. is just awesome. SO pumped.

[Jaysin]

http://www.skisilverstar.com/photo_showPhotoGallery.html check out our October so far! 50cm in a few days :rocker:

[Rat]

Its an El nina year.


last el nina was 98

[Cooper]

getting new gear soon for winter. Cant wait to put it one and ski haha!

[FlipFantasia]

Its an El nina year.


last el nina was 98

was that not the year of ridiculous amounts of fluff? if my memory, of what my friends who were here have told me, serves correct.....

[paul]

La Niña, the contrary sister

El Niño causes some serious weather problems around the world, no doubt about it, but La Niña, which Figure 3 illustrates, is not exactly a sweet little thing either. In places like the northeastern United States that are accustomed to cold and snowy winters, La Niña often makes for especially hard winters. In the rainy Pacific Northwest, La Niña winters seem to bring even more rain and snow than usual.

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-1852.html

[.max]

Looks like that COOL & WET arrow is pointing straight at Whistler :)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/La_Nina_regional_impacts.gif

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Niña

[freakonaleash]

ALPINE RECREATION FORECAST FOR THE SOUTH COAST MOUNTAINS ISSUED BY
ENVIRONMENT CANADA AT 2 PM PDT TUESDAY 2 OCTOBER 2007.
THE NEXT MOUNTAIN FORECAST WILL BE ISSUED AT 5 AM WEDNESDAY.

SYNOPSIS..AN UPPER TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE COMBINED WITH MOIST
WESTERLY ONSHORE FLOW WILL PRODUCE PERIODS OF SNOW OR FLURRIES TO
THE AREA TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

5 DAY TREND..THE UPPER TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING
SCATTERED FLURRIES TO THE REGION ON THURSDAY. A RIDGE OF HIGH
PRESSURE BUILDING IN FROM THE NORTHWEST WILL GIVE MAINLY SUNNY SKIES
ON FRIDAY. A STRONG FRONTAL SYSTEM WILL APPROACH THE AREA ON
SATURDAY PRODUCING SNOW.

THURSDAY.. CLOUDY. A FEW FLURRIES. SNOWFALL ACCUMULATION 3 TO 5 CM.
FREEZING LEVEL 1000 METRES.
FRIDAY.. MAINLY SUNNY. FREEZING LEVEL SURFACE.
SATURDAY.. SNOW. SNOWFALL ACCUMULATION 10 TO 20 CM. FREEZING LEVEL
2000 METRES.

COPYRIGHT 2007 ENVIRONMENT CANADA.
END/LEC
END/LEC



Seymour ^^ ... expecting now ! Yea

[Rat]

was that not the year of ridiculous amounts of fluff? if my memory, of what my friends who were here have told me, serves correct.....

The Mt. Baker Ski Area in northwestern Washington State reported 1,140 inches of snowfall for the 1998-99 snowfall season. The figure was scrutinized by the National Climate Extremes Committee, which is responsible for evaluating potential national record-setting extreme events. The committee, composed of experts from NOAA, the American Association of State Climatologists, and a regional expert from the Western Regional Climate Center, made a unanimous recommendation to the director of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center to accept the figure.

"In accepting the validity of the 1,140 inches of snowfall at Mt. Baker, the National Climatic Data Center recognizes that a new record has been set," said Tom Karl, director of the center. "The previous U.S. seasonal snowfall record was 1,122 inches, set during the 1971-1972 snowfall season at Mt. Rainer/Paradise, a station located at 5,500 feet on the slopes of Mt. Rainer, about 150 miles south of Mt. Baker."


The heavy snowfalls normally experienced in the Cascade Mountains of Washington State are the result of several factors. Winter is naturally the wettest season as the west-to-east planetary circulation expands southward and strengthens in speed, with storms striking the Pacific Northwest every few days. Air laden with moisture after its journey across the Pacific is forced to ascent the Cascade Range, dropping abundant precipitation. Freezing levels average about 4,000 feet over the winter months, so that near this altitude snowfall amounts increase very rapidly with just small increases in elevation. This season, a moderately strong La Niña pattern is credited with accentuating this stormy pattern, with a much higher frequency of wet and cold weather systems affecting especially the area from the Cascade Range westward. Freezing levels remained abnormally consistently low throughout the winter.

[Rat]

La Nina may impact global weather into 2008: NOAA
Reuters
Posted: 2007-09-21 11:09:14
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The weather anomaly La Nina could influence global weather patterns through the early part of 2008, according to the National Weather Service.

The U.S. agency said La Nina conditions have developed across the equatorial Pacific Ocean during the past few months, though some forecasting models have predicted a more rapid development than has occurred.

La Nina, which means "little girl" in Spanish, is an unusual cooling of Pacific Ocean surface temperatures and can trigger widespread changes in weather around the world, including a higher-than-normal number of hurricanes in the Atlantic.

In its 90-day weather forecast, which runs from October to December, the agency predicted an increased chance of above normal temperatures in most of the United States.

The only exceptions are along the Canadian border from Montana westward and in the Southeast along the South Atlantic Coast.

"Historically both of these regions experience near or below average temperatures associated with La Nina," the NWS said.

There is a greater chance of above normal temperatures in the Southwest due largely to long-term trends and ongoing drought conditions.

Most of the country will have an equal chance of precipitation, with the only exceptions being above-normal chances in the Northwest and below-normal chances in the Southwest.

[FlipFantasia]

crosses fingers.....this would definitely make up for my shitty bike year....

[TheGiggler]

crosses fingers.....this would definitely make up for my shitty bike year....

you're not the only one thinking that. though i shouldn't really say this as i broke months after you :)

rat, any links to where yer diggin this stuff up? ya it's from the NOAA, but i'm lazy to search ...

[Rat]

I just googled it, but I have fond memories of 1998


just picked up a one nighter pass for seymour for the family.

[TheGiggler]

I just googled it, but I have fond memories of 1998


just picked up a one nighter pass for seymour for the family.


i vageuly remember it ... i just moved down to Van and was doin a little xc skiing ... cypress could barely keep their road open so much snow ... never seen anything like it since.

... fingers crossed ...


thats cool that you got the seymour pass.

looks like Greg and Dave will be getting Cyps night time passes so i probably will too. too bad we won't see you, but i don't blame you at all, cyps = stupid big dollars for a local mtn pass.

[Rat]

cypress isnt worth paying extra to drag your kids up and down a bunny hill. seymour had a deal where I could do a one nighter for 155.00 and the kids got seasons passes for 15.00 each


Plus I like their backcountry

[Rat]

My best ski day ever

Get up at 5:30 am to b line it to whistler as the coast mountains had a 30 cm dump. there is a major snowstorm going on in vancouver mabey 5 cm's on the ground and snowing like a bitch.

Realize that there is no way i will make it to whistler on the sea to sky in the blizzard so decide to go to cypress.

arrive at cypress 2.5 hours before they start turning the lifts, snow continues to dump

by the time the lifts open Vancouver is in a snowed in gridlock and no one can get up to the hill. Ski fresh powder from open to 8 Pm, there is mabey a skier on every 5th chair. by the time you ski down and get back up your tracks are covered.

it would be tough to beat that day